Comments on: Translations from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania — For the One I Love

By: positive

positive — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:46:58 +0000

i must say….WOW
the debate is making me dizzy for an hour
i just want to say……let’s put our feelings aside and think LOGICAL first
i watched AC yesterday and it’s awesome!but people sometimes making little things such a BIG deal!
i have no doubt that cloud really cares for aerith i don’t have a doubt about that but i don’t think that cloud LOVES aerith
sure aerith loved cloud but she also wants cloud to stop blaming himself and TRY TO FORGIVE HIMSELF
if u remember the scene in AC when cloud wanted to pick-up the kids in forgotten city
cloud told aerith to “be forgiven……more than anything”<–that means cloud WANTS aerith/his sins to forgive him which in truth it's not his fault
so cloud don't see aerith more than just a friend….cloud sees aerith as the symbol of his sins,a mother figure etc (u know the drill)
i'm not against clerith fans but if people IGNORE the fact that already in front of them…..now that's WRONG
you can use your feelings for this debate too…but as u can see it's already over
i stop my babble now…lol

By: Vendel

Vendel — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:15:59 +0000

Long paragraph is loooong.

- “The makers of the Ultimania say that the date scene between Aerith and Cloud were based heavily on Cloud’s behavior–which I’m assuming means his dual personality with Zack Fair at the time. To be honest, that translation for Aerith and Cloud confused me due to the weird grammar. So I can’t really say anything about it.”

Here is the thing. The “secret date” entry is not the “Cloud and Aerith” entry. Once you keep that in mind it should become a lot clearer.

By: Lynne

Lynne — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:37:44 +0000

Okay, a lot of people are saying that the writers are wrong because Tifa and Cloud aren’t the canon couple. I can bet that if the writers said Cloud and Aerith “confirmed that their feelings match,” Clerith fans wouldn’t have said shit. Even though to the individual player Cloud may have shown affection to Aerith, it’s ultimately up to the creators of FFVII that say who’s canon and who isn’t. The makers of the Ultimania say that the date scene between Aerith and Cloud were based heavily on Cloud’s behavior–which I’m assuming means his dual personality with Zack Fair at the time. To be honest, that translation for Aerith and Cloud confused me due to the weird grammar. So I can’t really say anything about it. But the Ultimania also said that between Tifa and Cloud, Cloud confirmed that his feelings matched with Tifa’s. We’ve known throughout the entire game that Tifa loves Cloud and it was quite unbearable to watch Tifa struggle for words. Really unbearable. But if it said that Cloud confirmed that his feelings MATCHED Tifa’s, then we can assume that Cloud loves Tifa as well because they MATCH. Right? Also, just because the Ultimania said “Cloud confirmed without words,” doesn’t mean that he doesn’t love her. How many love songs for instance, talk about love with no words? It’s not always about being verbal. We all know that smiling (as noted in On the Way to a Smile: Tifa’s case when Cloud smiled/blushed when he told Tifa that everything will be alright since he has Tifa with him), holding hands (if you remember how Cloud and Tifa held hands while leaving the Lifestream together), and sex (to be honest I think people are being indenial when they say that Tifa and Cloud didn’t have sex -_-), can be a way of proving someone’s love for each other. So using the “without words” excuse doesn’t prove anything. I’m not saying that Cloud never loved Aerith–but I don’t think it was the same way he felt for Tifa. There’s more instances that lean towards Cloud and Tifa’s case than Aerith. Cloud and Tifa’s promise to always be each other’s heroes, how Tifa helped Cloud piece back together who he really was, and the Highwind scene. It wasn’t just the sex, but the fact that while everyone else in the group had someone or something to go home to, Cloud and Tifa were left alone–and knew that they only had each other left. And in the Lifestream scene, the little Cloud even mentioned that when Tifa admitted that she constantly looked in the newspapers for Cloud’s progress after he left Nibelheim, little Cloud noted that she should tell Cloud that fact when he wakes up, because he’d be happy to hear that. Now why would he be happy with the fact that Tifa always looked out for him? And the fact that little Cloud said that–didn’t the little Cloud symbolize his most pure/innocent personality; the REAL Cloud? Just saying. So I think Cloud and Tifa were the canon couple all along.

Besides, are you really going to take Zack’s true love away from him? That’s messed up… ;(

By: Lynne

Lynne — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:33:42 +0000

Okay, a lot of people are saying that the writers are wrong because Tifa and Cloud aren’t the canon couple. I can bet that if the writers said Cloud and Aerith “confirmed that their feelings match,” Clerith fans wouldn’t have said shit. Even though to the individual player Cloud may have shown affection to Aerith, it’s ultimately up to the creators of FFVII that say who’s canon and who isn’t. The makers of the Ultimania say that the date scene between Aerith and Cloud were based heavily on Cloud’s behavior–which I’m assuming means his dual personality with Zack Fair at the time. To be honest, that translation for Aerith and Cloud confused me due to the weird grammar. So I can’t really say anything about it. But the Ultimania also said that between Tifa and Cloud, Cloud confirmed that his feelings matched with Tifa’s. We’ve known throughout the entire game that Tifa loves Cloud and it was quite unbearable to watch Tifa struggle for words. Really unbearable. But if it said that Cloud confirmed that his feelings MATCHED Tifa’s, then we can assume that Cloud loves Tifa as well because they MATCH. Right? Also, just because the Ultimania said “Cloud confirmed without words,” doesn’t mean that he doesn’t love her. How many love songs for instance, talk about love with no words? It’s not always about being verbal. We all know that smiling (as noted in On the Way to a Smile: Tifa’s case when Cloud smiled/blushed when he told Tifa that everything will be alright since he has Tifa with him), holding hands (if you remember how Cloud and Tifa held hands while leaving the Lifestream together), and sex (to be honest I think people are being indenial when they say that didn’t have sex -_-), can be a way of proving someone’s love for each other. So using the “without words” excuse doesn’t prove anything. I’m not saying that Cloud never loved Aerith–but I don’t think it was the same way he felt for Tifa. There’s more instances that lean towards Cloud and Tifa’s case than Aerith. Cloud and Tifa’s promise to always be each other’s heroes, how Tifa helped Cloud piece back together who he really was, and the Highwind scene. It wasn’t just the sex, but the fact that while everyone else in the group had someone or something to go home to, Cloud and Tifa were left alone–and knew that they only had each other left. And in the Lifestream scene, the little Cloud even mentioned that when Tifa admitted that she constantly looked in the newspapers for Cloud’s progress after he left Nibelheim, little Cloud noted that she should tell Cloud that fact when he wakes up, because he’d be happy to hear that. Now why would he be happy with the fact that Tifa always looked out for him? And the fact that little Cloud said that–didn’t the little Cloud symbolize his most pure/innocent personality; the REAL Cloud? Just saying. So I think Cloud and Tifa were the canon couple.

Besides, are you really going to take Zack’s true love away from him? That’s messed up… ;(

By: Kimberly

Kimberly — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:56:51 +0000

Cloud and Tifa! <3 When do square enix is going to do a real romantic scene of them -_-'

By: whoshallwefuck

whoshallwefuck — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:55:47 +0000

That’s the thing about Cloud, he is very much Human (I mean come on there is no such thing as a perfect relationship…just got to do the best you can with what you got…course should it not work out, doesn’t matter there are a lot of fishes to catch in the vast ocean anyway) but anyway I agree with the whole debate being nothing but an obsessions to both ships hence I don’t like final fantasy anymore (moved on to better things…DC comics and finding a job)

By: SHUTTHEFUCKUP

SHUTTHEFUCKUP — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:56:08 +0000

here is how I rate the romancing between character

Ingus and Sara= cute little kids

Cecil and Rosa= a married couple with a kid

Bartz= is forever alone with his friend Boco

Celes and Locke= rocky at first but gets sweet

Cloud and Aerith= a romance that could never happen and will stay that way (revival of Aerith is pointless too, cause it would lose what made VII special in the newer fan’s heart, the death of someone who you came to call friend)

Cloud and Tifa= childhood sweet hearts in a slow budding relationship (Cloud needs to be happy, it’s you Aerith and Cloud fans that are pulling the character back, which is why he became emo in ACC)

Squall and Rinoa= cute, unrealistic couple to ever grace the world of Gaming (what is so unrealistic is the fact Rinoa loved Seifer before the game then instantly went “fuck it, I going to hook with mr. whatever over by the corner” bullshit)

Zidane and Garnet=cute couple and very heartwarming

Tidus and Yuna= they have been through a lot just like Cloud and Tifa, and the part where Tidus would have to sacrifice himself instead of Yuna to end the cycle of Sin is very touching indeed (I’m sorry but in my way of thinking of Final Fantasy, X-2 never and I say, NEVER existed, less someone re-writes the gameplay play then I’ll consider it existed)

No couple for XI- cause it’s a online game

not pretty sure about XII (never played the game cause I stopped at X)

Snow and Serah= are engaged

By: Mikan Lamperouge

Mikan Lamperouge — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:22:53 +0000

No Maria and Firion?? >_<

Other sources did say that the High version of the Highwind scene was the canon. I always find it romantic. ^_^

I also love Rosa and Cecil.

By: Vendel

Vendel — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:12:08 +0000

Seeing the continual degradation of your post only serves to further highlight the points I have made.

By: Lolcopter

Lolcopter — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:05:48 +0000

Cool story bro.

By: Squall_of_SeeD

Squall_of_SeeD — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:02:32 +0000

It is. The inclusion of the highly overused “Lux Æterna” piece from “Requiem for a Dream” made that a dead giveaway.

By: Vendel

Vendel — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:54:44 +0000

I didn’t say it was automatic that you were a C/A shipper. You just have many of the symptoms. Thus no one would be shocked if you were. You seem rather defensive about this.

The “community of CloTi”? Is that some sort of cult? The only people I know who talk like that reside on shipper forums dedicated to a certain non-canon pairing. I’ll let you guess which. That talk and the melodrama are also very strong symptoms BTW.

And I sleep just fine thank you.