Visual Breakdown of FFVII Remake E3 2015 Trailer
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Sublime
Gravitas? What gravitas?
I have to agree with Zergeron here. Not only does the gold segment appear longer but also wider than the iron box when viewed relative to the sword as a whole in each version. If anything, the iron box should be significantly longer and wider. (Although I'll concead that the side segments could perhaps have been removed)
There's also the point that I mentioned before, that the segment of Gold showing in the new version doesn't actually exist at all on the CC version. The gold is only on the sides and on the handle. Not in the middle.
And in actual fact this could be a case of "What Colour Is This Dress" (WCITD) because when you view the trailer again and pause it at varying points the colour alternates between gray and gold as the sword moves.
I agree that the iron box over gold hilt explanation would be nice and tidy but I'm just not sure that SE have really put that much thought into it.
It could certainly still be that Cloud simply removed all traces of the gold hilt completely and that he perhaps damaged the sword in doing so. The iron box could then actually be a sort of homemade repair.
I can't believe I'm analysing this so much.
hleV
Pro Adventurer
To further prove my point, check out the comparison between Compilation and Remake Buster Swords, both from a similar angle.
As you can see, the golden handguard parts stick out at the bottom and are on the same level as the expanding hilt part that connects with the handguard.
Here, there are no golden handguard parts sticking out at the bottom of the handguard and the expanding hilt part does not have any "neighbors".
As you can see, the golden handguard parts stick out at the bottom and are on the same level as the expanding hilt part that connects with the handguard.
Here, there are no golden handguard parts sticking out at the bottom of the handguard and the expanding hilt part does not have any "neighbors".
Knights of the Round
Pro Adventurer
All this analysis over a f%@^@ sword.
And I thought I was hardcore FFVII.
And I thought I was hardcore FFVII.
- AKA
- The Engineer
Personally, I don't see how hard it would be for the visual team to decided the shrink the gold engravings in size so they could fit under the metal guard. Scale varies greatly from game to game so that the player can actually tell what they're looking at. Just make the gold part a tad slimmer and it fits under the metal guard perfectly. We even see the lower part of the engravings in the trailer, so that's a good bet.
Sublime
Gravitas? What gravitas?
I was bored so I tried to capture it:
I can't actually remember what the 7th Heaven logo looks like.
I actually found a sign that says something like "cas style bar" with Heaven above it. I can't read it all because it's cut off.
- AKA
- X
To further prove my point, check out the comparison between Compilation and Remake Buster Swords, both from a similar angle.
As you can see, the golden handguard parts stick out at the bottom and are on the same level as the expanding hilt part that connects with the handguard.
Here, there are no golden handguard parts sticking out at the bottom of the handguard and the expanding hilt part does not have any "neighbors".
Your line placement there is wrong though.
You're assuming that the metal attachment between the crossguard & hilt is the original, despite the fact that the Compilation one is gold, and the Remake one is the same grey colour as the sword.
If you box in the whole gold section, and re-wrap the hilt, the metal bit that transitions from the hilt to the crossguard/blade is going to have to be placed higher up. You're not just gonna reuse the original one. Yeah you lose like an inch or so on the hilt, but that doesn't really matter all that much:
So, no. I don't buy your argument here.
X
SandG just noticed the Cloud and Zack sheathing the sword differently? I've been raising hell about that for years that Cloud mounts it upside down in Dissidia when he shouldn't. Even in the original game they hold it in opposite directions. Zack's way is stupid, as you're liable to slice the back of your leg, and the blunt edge bit is stupid too, but I was nonetheless fine with CC keeping the way Zack held it. But why does Cloud hold it wrong in Dissidia? Bugs the crap outta me.
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- MJ Gallagher
I thought the same thing too at first, but after investigating it, it turned out to be nothing. I was working from 2,500 hi-res stills so I had a pretty unobstructed view.
A good point well made. I'll add a line about this to the quote below.
I'm not even sorry
However, this isn't the S&G show and obviously my opinion is only one of many. I would much rather the article reflected the views of the community, so I proposed an amendment to the article yesterday (I've quoted it below, amendments are in yellow) because the whole this is speculative by its very nature. Unfortunately, it hasn't been changed yet. I don't have admin privileges and can't update it myself, so if Lex or Shademp are reading this, could one of you please make the change asap.
NOTE - I've since added another couple of lines as requested by Lex and X-SOLDIER.
Cheers folks.
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hleV
Pro Adventurer
Your line placement there is wrong though.
You're assuming that the metal attachment between the crossguard & hilt is the original, despite the fact that the Compilation one is gold, and the Remake one is the same grey colour as the sword.
If you box in the whole gold section, and re-wrap the hilt, the metal bit that transitions from the hilt to the crossguard/blade is going to have to be placed higher up. You're not just gonna reuse the original one. Yeah you lose like an inch or so on the hilt, but that doesn't really matter all that much:
So, no. I don't buy your argument here.
X
I actually took everything on the sword into consideration, including the position of materia slots, the area its wrapped in and smaller details.
Even if the the golden hilt connector was replaced, the iron box is still too small to wrap the whole golden area.
Anyway it would be my guess that the gold on the Compilation Buster Sword is only on the surface and was scraped off for Remake rather than replaced. Note how the outline of materia slot wrapper is no longer golden neither.
Or perhaps it's just lighting and the actual color is different from what we see in the trailer.
Edits entered into the article.
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- Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
okay i don't want to go through 7 pages, but has anyoen else pointed out that the people we see in the trailer are Cloud, Barret and Aerith (the flower clearly represents her anyway 
) and they were the 3 original characters of FFVII?
) and they were the 3 original characters of FFVII?
Sublime
Gravitas? What gravitas?
okay i don't want to go through 7 pages, but has anyoen else pointed out that the people we see in the trailer are Cloud, Barret and Aerith (the flower clearly represents her anyway
Erm well, as much as it was a trailer for an entire game it was kind of alluding to the opening scene especially with the intro to Bombing Run so yeah... that's not really anything particularly noteworthy.
@ S and G - Maybe seeing as the article is becoming more and more inflated it might be a good idea to split the text relating to each still into Fact and Speculation.
i.e
Fact - Here's what you can see in this still.
Speculation - Here's what we think it might be/mean.
Perhaps it's not really necessary, I'm just a total whore for organising things.