SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Yoru]

It's just mathmatics combined with a lack of ego. If two people are both 100% sure they're correct, but their beliefs are the others inverse, what are the odds that each one is correct? They both have equal odds. Since in this hypothetical there is someone who is sure they're correct, but is actually wrong, it is impossible to know which one you yourself are until the results are in.

So congrats, you're just not arrogant.

That having been said, there IS a way to know that you are ACTUALLY in the right, and don't just believe you are. Just like I KNOW the earth is round even though some people are equally certain about the inverse.
The trick lies in knowing WHY the other thinks that way, and why it's wrong. Its all about levels of understanding. If you know why someone believes something you will know how they'll reply to your arguments and why those replies are faulty. This moves the conversation forward. It's like going into a certain depth of moves in chess. But at some point you will reach a level where you are still able to understand what the other is saying and why it's wrong, while they're still arguing a level or more back, not understanding what you're actually saying.

Clerith can never go beyond the extremely superficial level of argumentation. If they get rebuffed they'll just deflect to other shallow points that are not relevant to the current topic. So if you explain Depression etc in an argument about Cloud in ACC, they'll not go along and explain why "actually, I know why you think that but if you look at the literature about cherophobia deeper then bla bla". No, they'll just deny your explanation and say something like "no, Cloud is NOT doing that because he's depressed, but because he loves Aerith, just look at the ending to FFVII". But that is a completely separate line of arguing about a different piece of "evidence".

These types of deflections ONLY ever come from Cleriths, that's why you can be sure of who here is actually right, and who just believes that they are.

It can even be simplier than that.

"I can justify my ship without denigrating yours."

The fact that they always have to drag Tifa through the mud says a lot about her place in the story and her importance in relation to the MC.

Cloti can exist with Clerith in the picture. The opposite can't.

 

[eleamaya]

Zack doesn’t seem to like women playing hard to get, so if they aren’t attracted at him, he simply moves on; never hits on them again. And it’s like Zack has bad luck in flirting lol–if you knew that kind of trope. However, the response he gets from Aerith is different.

At first, Aerith rejected his one date offer. He really thought she wouldn't date him, his response when he bought her the ribbon, surprising at how Aerith mention about his one date offer, "but you say the date is silly." But later, she takes initiative, "hey would you like to go to park?" And that’s how they go on their first date, almost kiss. It’s a win-win. They’re both attracted to each others and Aerith isn’t passive girl (oh how hate I do towards her hater who thinks she's shy and timid in Crisis Core). Then Zack eventually always visits Aerith whenever he’s up to, spending time together,

Kunsel also notice this. That after Angeal's death, Zack always meet Aerith.

Hmmm, I wonder where you might be.Wait, let me guess...
You're hanging out with that Aerith girl again, aren't you?
I bet you're wondering how I got that information.
See, I know everything about you, even if you never tell me anything.
In other words, it's no use keeping secrets from me, because I know how to get information.
So talk to me, Zack. You can tell me anything.
Tell me about all the things that are wearing you down.

I bold the last line because this shows Kunsel aware Zack is not okay after that event, CCFF7R shows the bridge of timeskip between chapter 5 and 6 that he even questioned what he is fighting for. And Zack only feels healed by meeting Aerith; not only by the time she embraces him when he cries after killing Angeal. I believe that's when Zack started sending letters to his parents, telling them about him doing his best as SOLDIER, but he also informs them he had a girlfriend. A man telling his parents that he has a girlfriend means no other than him being serious with her, the one and only. I think this fact itself contradict the additional sequence of him saying on the back of the truck that implies him having multiple girlfriend although Aerith is not sure the girlfriend in the letter refers to her.

Doesn’t mean that he can’t have female friends, right? He’s still friends with Cissnei. Nah, Nomura, along with the Director of original Crisis Core, Hajime Tabata, said that the beach scene between Zack and Cissnei was made to allude to a scene in FFVII, where Aerith says something about Zack having other girlfriend.

── In the beach scene there’s a good atmosphere between Zack and Cissnei, but what’s kind of relationship did they have?
Nomura: "There was a scene in FFVII where Aerith says something about Zack having other girlfriends.”
Tabata: “It’s meant to allude to that. Besides that, she’s also one of the people who gave Zack support along the way. Some of those feelings are depicted in the DMW memory scenes.”

(Dengeki PSP Vol.397)

But Nojima, the scenario writer, confirmed that he didn’t intend to portray Zack waver between Aerith and Cissnei.

──Did you intend to portray Zack’s wavering between Cissnei and Aerith?
Nojima: “No, that’s not true.”

(CCFF7 Ultimania; interview section)

I think this is why, the scenario that is supposed to show Zack having multiple girlfriend shows how faithful he is instead.

This is also a proof that Zack having multiple girlfriend only exist in Aerith's Gongaga speech

We continued running the fan club after Zack's untimely death,
but we have to disband due to financial reasons.
We would like to share one last quote from a woman
who had a close relationship with Zack:

"My wagon broke, so I'm going to use a basket to sell the flowers.
I hope you can join me
when you're back from your tour."

She must not have heard what happened, which makes her comments all the more poignant.
Our thanks go out to all 109,348 members out there.
May Zack always live within our hearts.

Even Zack Fanclub know Aerith is the woman Zack being in relationship with.

I dont know what reason why Aerith doesn't think she's the only one. But if she's okay with that, no wonder she's also okay if she's not the only one for Cloud since Cloud loves Tifa.

Also, Zack is not the only character who is ladiesman or charming with ladies. Zidane is worse than Zack. But I dont see Cleriths hate Zidane end up with Garnet????

And if we talked about full retcon... then I bet we would get the full truck scene in Part 3---Idk why the full version doesnt exist in LO and CC, so it has chance Zack not talking about 'multiple girlfriend' anymore, but straightly Aerith by name. Though what I wish is Cloud is half aware how Zack want to return to her at all cost. Then making him feel more horrible that he couldn't tell Aerith how much Zack loves her.

 

[Maidenofwar]

I don't see the need to keep "charming guy" in Re-trilogy then, it just makes Aerith look bad, I don't like it. I wish there was more middle ground, as is either way I can't ship ZA. Selfishly I wish there was scene where Aerith discovers Zack's final thoughts and how committed he became, and Zack reassures her that he never blamed her.

 

[Sacky]

Zack doesn’t seem to like women playing hard to get, so if they aren’t attracted at him, he simply moves on; never hits on them again. And it’s like Zack has bad luck in flirting lol–if you knew that kind of trope. However, the response he gets from Aerith is different.

At first, Aerith rejected his one date offer. He really thought she wouldn't date him, his response when he bought her the ribbon, surprising at how Aerith mention about his one date offer, "but you say the date is silly." But later, she takes initiative, "hey would you like to go to park?" And that’s how they go on their first date, almost kiss. It’s a win-win. They’re both attracted to each others and Aerith isn’t passive girl (oh how hate I do towards her hater who thinks she's shy and timid in Crisis Core). Then Zack eventually always visits Aerith whenever he’s up to, spending time together,

Kunsel also notice this. That after Angeal's death, Zack always meet Aerith.

I bold the last line because this shows Kunsel aware Zack is not okay after that event, CCFF7R shows the bridge of timeskip between chapter 5 and 6 that he even questioned what he is fighting for. And Zack only feels healed by meeting Aerith; not only by the time she embraces him when he cries after killing Angeal. I believe that's when Zack started sending letters to his parents, telling them about him doing his best as SOLDIER, but he also informs them he had a girlfriend. A man telling his parents that he has a girlfriend means no other than him being serious with her, the one and only. I think this fact itself contradict the additional sequence of him saying on the back of the truck that implies him having multiple girlfriend.

And we know how it ends, he’s faithful to Aerith till the very last thing on his mind. (T_T) Crisis Core Reunion will hit your feelings more because the devs recreate Aerith’s last image on his mind a little bit different.

Doesn’t mean that he can’t have female friends, right? He’s still friends with Cissnei. Nah, Nomura, along with the Director of original Crisis Core, Hajime Tabata, said that the beach scene between Zack and Cissnei was made to allude to a scene in FFVII, where Aerith says something about Zack having other girlfriend.




But Nojima, the scenario writer, confirmed that he didn’t intend to portray Zack waver between Aerith and Cissnei.



I think this is why, the scenario that is supposed to show Zack having multiple girlfriend shows how faithful he is instead.

This is also a proof that Zack having multiple girlfriend only exist in Aerith's Gongaga speech

Even Zack Fanclub know Aerith is the woman Zack being in relationship with.

I dont know what reason why Aerith doesn't think she's the only one. But if she's okay with that, no wonder she's also okay if she's not the only one for Cloud since Cloud loves Tifa.

Also, Zack is not the only character who is ladiesman or charming with ladies. Zidane is worse than Zack. But I dont see Cleriths hate Zidane end up with Garnet????

And if we talked about full retcon... then I bet we would get the full truck scene in Part 3---Idk why the full version doesnt exist in LO and CC, so it has chance Zack not talking about 'multiple girlfriend' anymore, but straightly Aerith by name. Though what I wish is Cloud is half aware how Zack want to return to her at all cost. Then making him feel more horrible that he couldn't tell Aerith how much Zack loves her.

I never understood the Aerith acting different in Crisis core compared to how she is in OG or Remake. Since she is a lot younger, obviously she is going to be different? We also have direct contrast now with how teen Tifa is very confident and speaks her mind a lot in Rebirth with how she is after the Nibelhiem incident. I think part 3 will have a lot more Zack Cloud flashbacks, one of the most suprising scenes in Rebirth was when Zack is just speaking about Aerith to Cloud but we actually hear Cloud answer in the flashback. This already has changed a lot since i don't recall Cloud ever hearing about Aerith from Zack that much in CC but i might be misremembering. Either way theres already a new conversation we never saw in a flashback where Zack is just talking about how great Aerith is.

 

[Yoru]

I'm at Temple of the Ancients and Cloud/Tifa is heavily being pushed despite my C/A playthrough. It's super awkward.

Cloud is going crazy, much to no one's surprise. The team is hella under reacting to his behaviour. I am actually super confused at this point, because I can't decide if Tifa is the only dumbass waifu, or if Aerith is as well. I guess with Aerith I can at least assume she can see the future or some shit.

I'm so tired. They fumbled the romance so hard. So hard that the entire plot feels so fucking broken.

(ngl I'm containing this in the LTD thread because I don't want a fanboy essay about how wrong I am for thinking this shit is bad)

While I agree that LTD can tend to ruin certain moments, I think you're getting a bit too fixated on it. The whole game isn't meant to be read under the spectrum of romance. Some parts are meant to be... some aren't.

It can't all be trench warfare between the two girls. And it's precisely at these moments that I think most of the Cloud voice actor's statements. Any exchange between a woman and a man must not be reduced only to its potential in terms of romance.

As for the team hardly reacting to Cloud going off. It's a fact that's explained in-game, but that few people have picked up on. I think it's more the game's fault than the people's, to be honest, but here's my reading of the situation:

Cloud is Captain America. The team needs him. They're simple people, nobodies. They manage to keep up with him, but he's the one doing the elimination work. That's why he's recruited by Avalanche in the first place. And that's why in the mithril mines they say they're counting on him. He's literally their strong arm. Without him, they can't do anything (according to them).

So yes, Cloud is going mad. Everyone looks at each other strangely. They know it stinks. But they have to deal with it. He's the only one they have to deal with their current situation.

And... he's their friend.

 

[Sacky]

I don't see the need to keep "charming guy" in Re-trilogy then, it just makes Aerith look bad, I don't like it. I wish there was more middle ground, as is either way I can't ship ZA. Selfishly I wish there was scene where Aerith discovers Zack's final thoughts and how committed he became, and Zack reassures her that he never blamed her.

I think thats just Aerith being in denial of Zack's death and preferring the alternative to him actually being dead. Her words don't fit her actions, and she herself feels bad for even saying that to his parents. Its one of the only times that Aerith in the game said something mean theres probably a better word. I think it shows how emotional the topic is and makes it even more impactful. Gongaga was Aerith without a cheerful facade.

 

[Rin]

I don't see the need to keep "charming guy" in Re-trilogy then, it just makes Aerith look bad, I don't like it. I wish there was more middle ground, as is either way I can't ship ZA. Selfishly I wish there was scene where Aerith discovers Zack's final thoughts and how committed he became, and Zack reassures her that he never blamed her.

It's supposed to make her look bad, that's why she feels guilty for her actions afterwards. She didn't say that to his parents because she actually believes there were other women, she says it because she's deflecting. She even tells Cloud that she feels bad for doing that bc it was selfish and unfair to his parents.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Yeah, but I still don't like it. Especially since the CC guide also says Aerith must have been bothered/impatient by Zack's behaviour. It's like oh ok let's put it all on Aerith instead.

 

[Yoru]

It's supposed to make her look bad, that's why she feels guilty for her actions afterwards. She didn't say that to his parents because she actually believes there were other women, she says it because she's deflecting. She even tells Cloud that she feels bad for doing that bc it was selfish and unfair to his parents.

Flawed characters are so interesting ! It would be a real shame to erase this character trait and end up with a bland personality.

More seriously. I don't see why it would make her look bad. The man you meet is a "charming guy" and the minute he's around you, you become his world ? Pretty good looking if you're asking me...

 

[Sacky]

While I agree that LTD can tend to ruin certain moments, I think you're getting a bit too fixated on it. The whole game isn't meant to be read under the spectrum of romance. Some parts are meant to be... some aren't.

It can't all be trench warfare between the two girls. And it's precisely at these moments that I think most of the Cloud voice actor's statements. Any exchange between a woman and a man must not be reduced only to its potential in terms of romance.

As for the team hardly reacting to Cloud going off. It's a fact that's explained in-game, but that few people have picked up on. I think it's more the game's fault than the people's, to be honest, but here's my reading of the situation:

Cloud is Captain America. The team needs him. They're simple people, nobodies. They manage to keep up with him, but he's the one doing the elimination work. That's why he's recruited by Avalanche in the first place. And that's why in the mithril mines they say they're counting on him. He's literally their strong arm. Without him, they can't do anything (according to them).

So yes, Cloud is going mad. Everyone looks at each other strangely. They know it stinks. But they have to deal with it. He's the only one they have to deal with their current situation.

And... he's their friend.

Yeah that's a problem. people see romance in scenes where it isn't meant to be. It's not Cloud wavering between two girls its not 1997 anymore, like some people cling onto that interview for dear life. Its two girls have different bonds and relationships to Cloud yet not one elevated over the other. Romance and Friendship are both forms of love. Its not a CA or CT playthrough. You just get more insight into Clouds relationship in one scene, the Dates, But that doesn't stop the almost kiss or dream date so its not routes like so many people keep stupidly saying. How are the team supposed to react they need Cloud to fight against Sephiroth and they think hes degrading and dying? so what are they supposed to do no one knows what is actually going on with him. So they don't have a solution and are scared that they might speed up his degradation which from Roche they think happens to all SOLDIERS. Tifa and Aerith are also having background conversations on how best to handle helping Cloud im tired of people putting them against each other, or saying its a route if Cloud romances this character when ZERO choices in this game Matter. The dream date shows this illusion of Choice.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Aerith already had flaws, she didn't need a new one, like completely pull something out of her ass about Zack ala I just made up slander style.

 

[Rin]

Yeah, but I still don't like it. Especially since the CC guide also says Aerith must have been bothered/impatient by Zack's behaviour. It's like oh ok let's put it all on Aerith instead.

The context is completely different though. It's been 5 years, she's looking for answers (even though she already has them but doesn't want to believe what she felt), and she meets his parents. They tell her that Zack wrote home to them about her, and in the CC ultimania, it's stated that his letter uses her name specifically. His parents know 100% that she was the girl Zack was in love with but she deflects by saying it could've been someone else. Everyone in the room (sans Cloud at this point) knows that's not true.

It has nothing to do with "putting it all on Aerith". Zack isn't a playboy. He doesn't have multiple girlfriends. And he's not even alive. Aerith is just refusing to let herself mourn and she's upset because every clue she finds is pointing toward the truth she continually refuses to accept.

Yes, it makes Aerith look bad but so what? She's not perfect and that's okay.

Also it's not even a new flaw because she did this in the OG, too lol the scene is virtually the same???

 

[Sacky]

Aerith already had flaws, she didn't need a new one, like completely pull something out of her ass about Zack ala I just made up slander style.

I thought it was already a line in OG though. I just saw it as her getting emotional and having a moment of saying the wrong thing. Which actually humanised her for me in the game because a lot of the time she always said the right thing like the Hojo conversation. She admitted to being angry sure but then instantly said thats wrong. Think it would have been interesting to play around with that a bit showing her being angry at Hojo and not just saying it in a conversation. Her letting him go just felt odd to me.

 

[Yoru]

Yeah, but I still don't like it. Especially since the CC guide also says Aerith must have been bothered/impatient by Zack's behaviour. It's like oh ok let's put it all on Aerith instead.

Aerith doesn't travel the world finding abandonned wifes by Zack. She's just talking by personal experience. She met this guy by surprise and they became a thing in 2 days. This guy is around and all of a sudden, he's gone. She loves him. She doesn't want him to be dead. She prefers the idea of him being alive somewhere with a new girl he met. Because that's exactly how it happened to her. NOTHING MORE. So no. It doesn't make her a bad person. It doesn't give her "free ticket" to have new flaws. She's just human. She's talking about what she knows. And it's not much.

Yeah that's a problem. people see romance in scenes where it isn't meant to be. It's not Cloud wavering between two girls its not 1997 anymore, like some people cling onto that interview for dear life. Its two girls have different bonds and relationships to Cloud yet not one elevated over the other. Romance and Friendship are both forms of love. Its not a CA or CT playthrough. You just get more insight into Clouds relationship in one scene, the Dates, But that doesn't stop the almost kiss or dream date so its not routes like so many people keep stupidly saying. How are the team supposed to react they need Cloud to fight against Sephiroth and they think hes degrading and dying? so what are they supposed to do no one knows what is actually going on with him. So they don't have a solution and are scared that they might speed up his degradation which from Roche they think happens to all SOLDIERS. Tifa and Aerith are also having background conversations on how best to handle helping Cloud im tired of people putting them against each other, or saying its a route if Cloud romances this character when ZERO choices in this game Matter. The dream date shows this illusion of Choice.

YES ! All day every day.

It's not routes. It's not a visual novel with multiple storylines and endings. It's not a dating sim. It's a japanese RPG in the most classical way. You're here to watch a story already decided. You can choose to have certain POV during the story. But it's nothing more than that. You don't change the story.

 

[Sacky]

YES ! All day every day.

It's not routes. It's not a visual novel with multiple storylines and endings. It's not a dating sim. It's a japanese RPG in the most classical way. You're here to watch a story already decided. You can choose to have certain POV during the story. But it's nothing more than that. You don't change the story.

It won't be till part 3 that people realise that the choices were just for fun and this was never a choose your own adventure game. Maybe there was a small bit in the original (getting LA just seems like a skill issue for anything, though tbh), but for the story in HD with voice acting and with all the build up from books and the games,. There should not be any choice in part 3 if you want the story to hit its maximum emotional impact and give a satisfying conclusion. From the variations on the so called optional scenes though i doubt Highwind will even be a choice at all or even have a LA or HA scene unless they both are clearly intimate, and have the same dialogue which the Hug LA scene for Tifa Date in Rebirth was anyway.

 

[Yoru]

Aerith already had flaws, she didn't need a new one, like completely pull something out of her ass about Zack ala I just made up slander style.

And again. As soon as she enters this house, she regrets it. Because she knows. If even his parents haven't heard from him, he's maybe really gone. And they absolutely want to know. They're desperate. She doesn't want to think about that possibility, least of all with them at her side.

SHE WANTS TO GET OUT OF HERE FAST.

So what does she say? "Actually, I'm nobody, sorry to have bothered you. BYE."

That's all. And from her personal experience. It may be true because that's what happened to her. She's not a liar talking shit about Zack just because.

So no. It doesn't make her look bad. Not at all.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Ok, the way you described it made me feel better, thank you.

 

[Rin]

I just don't get the big deal about these characters fucking up and saying the wrong thing sometimes. Like people were saying Tifa is "toxic" for getting mad at Cloud in Kalm and asking where he's been all these years after she was forced to survive and suffer on her own. As if that's not the most realistic thing a woman who is fed up would say out of frustration. This didn't make her a bad person, it made her human.

Similarly, Aerith deflecting and running away from Zack's parents because she doesn't want to accept the truth about his death doesn't make her a bad person, either. Was it the right thing to do or say? No. But who cares? Not everyone says or does the right thing all the time. And yeah, sometimes it makes them "look bad" (tho this is subjective) but that's what makes them feel real.

 

[Yoru]

I just don't get the big deal about these characters fucking up and saying the wrong thing sometimes. Like people were saying Tifa is "toxic" for getting mad at Cloud in Kalm and asking where he's been all these years after she was forced to survive and suffer on her own. As if that's not the most realistic thing a woman who is fed up would say out of frustration. This didn't make her a bad person, it made her human.

I find it so irritating that the only thing this scene evokes in some people's minds is "what a slut."

Like. What's wrong with you? A girl survives a horrible night, she's alone. No home. No money. It was hard, but she got through it.

And the "first thing" her dear "childhood friend" says to her is: hey, I think this might be bullshit, because you're supposed to be dead.

Of course you're sad and mad. Even more when from her POV, dude wasn't even here.

And the only thing he has to say is : I can't tell you. Classified information.

 

[abzy1200]

It has to be a new level of delusionally ironic if Cleriths pretend to dislike Zack for Aerith because he's "not loyal", when Aerith getting with Cloud would literally require Cloud to not be loyal to his feelings for Tifa, and Aerith to be not loyal to her feelings for Zack. Apparently everyone can love someone before meeting their soul mate EXCEPT Zack.

If Cleriths were keen on being logical and recognising hypocrisy/irony...none of us would be on this thread right now lmao.

I just don't get the big deal about these characters fucking up and saying the wrong thing sometimes. Like people were saying Tifa is "toxic" for getting mad at Cloud in Kalm and asking where he's been all these years after she was forced to survive and suffer on her own. As if that's not the most realistic thing a woman who is fed up would say out of frustration. This didn't make her a bad person, it made her human.

Same goes for when she gives out to him in ACC, people act like she didn't have every right to be even the slightest bit upset with him.

 

[Sacky]

I just don't get the big deal about these characters fucking up and saying the wrong thing sometimes. Like people were saying Tifa is "toxic" for getting mad at Cloud in Kalm and asking where he's been all these years after she was forced to survive and suffer on her own. As if that's not the most realistic thing a woman who is fed up would say out of frustration. This didn't make her a bad person, it made her human.

Similarly, Aerith deflecting and running away from Zack's parents because she doesn't want to accept the truth about his death doesn't make her a bad person, either. Was it the right thing to do or say? No. But who cares? Not everyone says or does the right thing all the time. And yeah, sometimes it makes them "look bad" (tho this is subjective) but that's what makes them feel real.

Some people in stories love to put themselves into it and say, Well, this is out of character for the character to make this decision, or say that they would say or do something differently. Or not let a character make any mistake. Have they seen the kind of mistakes and people taking stuff the wrong way that happen in daily life? Like for example trying to put yourself in a characters shoes who have a different personality and motivations then them

 

[Ryushikaze]

And it becomes ridiculous because Cloud gets to waver between "both girls" but ZA wasn't serious because Zack was a flirt or had multiple girlfriends? So in other words, CA or CT aren't serious either, lol? One rule for me, another rule for thee.

Welcome to arguing based on your desired conclusion, not what the evidence shows us.

In same-sex ships/couples, the top's name comes first, lol. This is serious business because people have actually gotten into fights about it, lol.

I know it was that was for Yaoi where top and bottom are serious business, but I don't think that applies to all same sex couples.

But you could totally take Tifa out of the story and nothing would change! Cloud just wanted the whole village to notice him! He was confessing his crush on Sephiroth on the water tower! Aerith could totally do the Lifestream scene with Cetra magic!

Yes, I've actually seen all of those floating around, lol.

Yeah, all of that is an attempt to diminish Tifa's role in Cloud's narrative. And no diss to Aerith, but you remove her, you change far less of the narrative than if you remove Tifa. Just getting to the start of the game itself for Cloud involves Tifa multiple times, up to an including de-vegetating when he sees her. On the other hand, if we make it so Cloud never meets Aerith we lose out on Cloud remembering his mom, change how he deals with Wall Market, and changes the reason the party goes to attack ShinRa (After the plate drop they were gonna fight no matter what). Maybe Marlene dies in the plate drop, but that's a big change for Barrett, not Cloud.
Then I imagine the party would meet her and Red in ShinRa tower and go from there, but again, assuming they don't, things don't change much for the next several sections. Barret is probably the most instrumental character other than Cloud for the plot for awhile.

 

[nars305]

I find it so irritating that the only thing this scene evokes in people's minds is "what a slut."

Like. What's wrong with you? A girl survives a horrible night, she's alone. No home. No money. It was hard, but she got through it.

And the "first thing" her dear "childhood friend" says to her is: hey, I think this might be bullshit, because you're supposed to be dead.

Of course you're sad and mad. Even more when from her POV, dude wasn't even here.

And the only thing he has to say is : I can't tell you. Classified information.

How does slut even make sense lmao.

It’s annoying when people fail to use the context of the scene. What Tifa says is very emotionally charged. She was offended not just for herself being questioned but also all the people who worked hard to save her.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I find it so irritating that the only thing this scene evokes in people's minds is "what a slut."

Like. What's wrong with you? A girl survives a horrible night, she's alone. No home. No money. It was hard, but she got through it.

And the "first thing" her dear "childhood friend" says to her is: hey, I think this might be bullshit, because you're supposed to be dead.

Of course you're sad and mad. Even more when from her POV, dude wasn't even here.

And the only thing he has to say is : I can't tell you. Classified information.

From an outside POV we know he actually does mean "I cannot tell you. I want to, I cannot." and that thinking about it too hard makes his brain explode, and that he does mean that "I thought you had died back then" was meant out of concern, but yes, in the moment Tifa shows extreme patience and charity for the nonsense. Mostly because she already knows he's not fully himself and not fully well.

 

[Rin]

How does slut even make sense lmao.

It’s annoying when people fail to use the context of the scene. What Tifa says is very emotionally charged. She was offended not just for herself being questioned but also all the people who worked hard to save her.

Exactly and we, the players with knowledge of the OG, have context that our protagonists don't. So why on earth are we trying to hold them to some crazy high standard of morality and making the right choice/saying the right thing when they don't have all the info? It's so frustrating!!!