Square Enix trademarks Ever Crisis, The First Soldier, and Shinra logo in Japan

[KindOfBlue]

Sheesh, I didn’t mean for the conversation to go on this long when I said I only want Cissnei to return lol

 

[Obsidian Fire]

something that not only doesn't need it, but would actually be nothing but noise to the story and a distraction from what people legit want.

Funny. From where I'm sitting, this already happened with Remake. So much new stuff got added to an overly complicated plot didn't need it.

But it was added.

In fact. The Compilation as a whole is this. "Noise" is what Nojima and Co. seem to love adding to the OG. They've never liked it "simple".

Which so much "noise" in Remake already, more "noise" isn't going to hurt the "OG plot" anymore than it already has.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's a sweepingly broad and biased generalization right there.

I mean, equating Genesis who narratively has zero reason to appear in the Remake at all (because they essentially wrote him out) and who's inclusion would require another ridiculous tie in promotion with a scandled star who's alleged to have evaded taxes, fled to Malaysia and had an illegitimate child with a fan...


...To the FFVII Remake including relevant Compilation elements in Midgar... While still sticking true to it's roots and remaining one of the most critically acclaimed and successful FFVII titles is a pretty hot take I can't say I've heard before. Gackt doesn't even live in Japan anymore.

Pretty sure Nojima and Kitase even specifically said they carefully considered which characters and concepts from the Compilation they would include because they said they wouldn't include all of them, only the ones relevant which would compliment the main story. A man specifically fridge'd during FFVII doesn't sound like he'd apply.

And keep in mind they cancelled Olaf's Japanese dub voice actor for simply smoking weed lol so yeah

 

[Odysseus]

Maybe they could excuse him having a different appearance because when he returns he'll have the 32X attached. The power of 32 bit processing and the ability to play Knuckle's Chaotix is sure to change a man.

 

[looneymoon]

TIL the ONTD LJ is still active, what the fuck o__O

edit: I don't really have a coin in this discussion. I don't think the devs care about having everything fit together neatly - Genesis coming back is more or less dependent on whether they feel like it's cash or not.

 

[Roundhouse]

I'm hoping to see some sort of announcement about this stuff when the anniversary of FFVII arrives in around two weeks.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

As far as I'm concerned, @Makoeyes987 can stop bringing up Gackt. Genesis is a supervillain. Supervillains have been getting deformities and/or facial scarring from burns, slashes, power-ups, or general accidents for literally decades.

Give me five minutes consulting my memory archive of comic, Super Sentai, cartoon, etc. characters, and I'm sure I could pull out a dozen of them. Hell, for quite a few characters, scarring incidents are part of their origins.

For that matter, it would take Nomura five minutes to pencil up a new generic anime pretty boy wearing the same clothes. And if they really are that concerned about another bishounen design looking too much like Gackt, there's the tried-and-true trope of the facial scarring. No one will care.

Hell, outside the CG cutscenes in CC, Genesis doesn't even appreciably resemble Gackt there more than he does several other FF characters. There's a reason people used to joke that all of Nomura's male leads are just Gackt with slightly different clothes and hair styles.

If they decide to utilize Genesis, they will. Whether they "need to" is as irrelevant as his face given the existence of the Whispers. Players would have accepted a remake with some plot alterations or updates related to more modern sensibilites just fine without bringing in time ghost plot police; if the developers weren't concerned with whether we'd accept that, I can't fathom them being concerned with whether we would accept the inclusion of an already established character who has been in two games already.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I see, so now you want Genesis to become The Red Skull Coat Nightmare, huh?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I want Nomura and co. to tell whatever story they have in mind for the remake.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I was kidding, since you made the comparison of Genesis being a supervillain and getting around the face-thing, by either gaining a facial scar or new face.

You know, like Red Skull And both of their colors are red.

Oh yeah, and he's also a prototype Super Soldier.... That's actually kinda funny.

 

[KindOfBlue]

Just you watch. Not only will Gackt return in his own spinoff game as the protagonist, but he’ll even be referred to as “Gackt” in-game. The story will center around him trying to make a career comeback.
AC - Advent Children
BC - Before Crisis
CC - Crisis Core
DC - Dirge of Cerberus
EC - Ever Crisis
FC - ???
GC - Gackt’s Comeback/Career/Crisis

 

[JBedford]

I mean, equating Genesis who narratively has zero reason to appear in the Remake at all (because they essentially wrote him out) and who's inclusion would require another ridiculous tie in promotion with a scandled star who's alleged to have evaded taxes, fled to Malaysia and had an illegitimate child with a fan...

Gackt's wikipedia pages don't mention anything like this at all, so I didn't know what you were talking about before. Coincidentally, I was just listening to Gackt's Last Moon and discovered one of the album's bestest songs was the theme song for Square Enix's mobile game Sangokushi Eika (3594e), where he also voices a character. Even if Gackt were cancelled, this game was released in 2014, after the dates of both those linked articles.

I'm not really interested in arguing this. I just think that if Square did want Genesis back, without much difficulty Square will bring in Gackt to continue his portrayal. Probably.

 

[Tetsujin]

Trademarks have been filed yesterday in Europe

 

[ultima786]

Trademarks have been filed yesterday in Europe

Can you explain this? Ever Crisis is graphically represented by the Shinra logo?

 

[Makoeyes987]

No the Shinra Logo was trademark'd. The visual logo is there with it. But the trademark info is right above it.

You're seeing Ever Crisis and the Shinra logo's trademark info.

 

[Strangelove]

at first i thought they were the same image until i realised there were two

so has the 'first soldier' one not gotten trademarked in europe yet?

square-enix has a lot of comic ip under their belt so i wonder if any of these might relate to that

 

[Sephiroth Crescent]

@Tetsujin
Care to share a link to that? Thanks.

 

[Roundhouse]

If they decide to utilize Genesis, they will. Whether they "need to" is as irrelevant as his face given the existence of the Whispers. Players would have accepted a remake with some plot alterations or updates related to more modern sensibilites just fine without bringing in time ghost plot police; if the developers weren't concerned with whether we'd accept that, I can't fathom them being concerned with whether we would accept the inclusion of an already established character who has been in two games already.

 

[Tetsujin]

@Tetsujin
Care to share a link to that? Thanks.

No






...okay fine https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/owners/540161
On the last page, all the way down.

 

[cold_spirit]

Gematsu updated their story stating that Ever Crisis was trademarked in Canada on January 18th.

Trying not to think too much on this in case it's some mobile tie-in.

https://www.gematsu.com/2021/01/squ...is-the-first-soldier-and-shinra-logo-in-japan

 

[Odysseus]

So, think we'll hear about whatever this is soon?

 

[waw]

I mean, equating Genesis who narratively has zero reason to appear in the Remake at all
...To the FFVII Remake including relevant Compilation elements in Midgar....

Re: Genesis Discussion

I get that Gackt helped design and develop Genesis... that whole dinner and everything. But does he actually have ownership of the character? Has that ever been stated clearly? Are we assuming American copyright laws?

I've never seen anything officially stating as such. So when it comes up that someone says "The red coat is coming" people respond with "Gackt cancelled!" my initial response is: So? No one said Gackt was coming back....

Can anyone clear this up?

 

[cold_spirit]

So, think we'll hear about whatever this is soon?

Was wondering this too. @aitaikimochi posted the same question on Twitter and the replies have been sort of helpful. Seems to range from "who knows" to "3-5 months".

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1351962754890883072

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Re: Genesis Discussion

I get that Gackt helped design and develop Genesis... that whole dinner and everything. But does he actually have ownership of the character? Has that ever been stated clearly? Are we assuming American copyright laws?

I've never seen anything officially stating as such. So when it comes up that someone says "The red coat is coming" people respond with "Gackt cancelled!" my initial response is: So? No one said Gackt was coming back....

Can anyone clear this up?

There's no reason to believe Gackt has any ownership of anything related to the character except his own (animu generic) face. Square Enix has even used Genesis in no less than three mobile titles over the past few years, as well as in the FF trading card game. We have zero indication that Gackt's authorization was required for any of those.

Truth be told, the copyright info on the card would have been an ideal place to mention Gackt if he had any legal claim to ownership of the character, but he's not mentioned:

 

[ultima786]

at first i thought they were the same image until i realised there were two

so has the 'first soldier' one not gotten trademarked in europe yet?

square-enix has a lot of comic ip under their belt so i wonder if any of these might relate to that

Ok this explains it. It’s two pictures lol.