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^ Can you source that for me? I understand that Gillian definitely didn't want Angeal joining SOLDIER. The only thing I could find is the following off the Q&A: I'd always assumed that "they didn't mind deceiving ShinRa" to be a nod towards the scene in CC where Zack told Genesis that they were...

Did ShinRa actually think they were normal though? First of all, the two of them were clearly still kept under surveillance during their childhood, and you don't typically ... keep an eye on normal people. Second of all, as far as I understand it, they were deemed failures specifically because...

Has someone confirmed that Genesis doesn't actually have Jenova cells? Iirc, he had Gillian's genes mapped onto him, which would at best mean that he's got Jenova-like cells, but not actual Jenova-cells. (I also imagine neither he nor Angeal were injected with Jenova cells like regular SOLDIERs...

Similar to an idea from the early draft of the game (though I think your spin makes more sense): Another interesting idea that I think they shouldn't have cut out is the idea that ShinRa exported weapons to Wutai during the war for profit. Honestly, I can see the entire war as having been drawn...

I can only imagine Cloud actually has a personal jet to ferry him across bodies of water. ... if he got to the Forgotten City in 3-4 hours, it's not all that bad. That's longer than the flight from Atlanta to Chicago ... then again, that means I am once again reducing the Planet to pretty much...

Oh, I don't think the game should've involved walking/playing in real-time or anything close to that. But with the timeline asserting that the game only took place within two to three months ... I haven't actually spoken to one person who wasn't shocked about that tidbit. I myself thought it...

@ Licorice: Thanks for the lengthy reply! > Or maybe the entire Planet is the size of Lichtenstein? Not unlikely, given that the actual game takes place over the course of two/three months. :P ... it takes 5-6 months to hike the Appalachian, and it takes two to three months for Cloud and the...

You're talking about a subset of a subset of fandom there, and I don't think generalizing like that will actually help the discussion any -- unless you're specifically trying to fan the flames. :P

Okay, so I as under the impression that it was pretty much only when mako energy started becoming more popular that monsters became especially ferocious to the extent that it became downright perilous to travel. (And even so, apparently it does not dissuade someone like Zack from leaving Gongaga...

I don't think you're reading too much into it! If anything, I am probably reading too little into it, as I'm not a big fan of the setting in the first place, but I did get the feeling that FF7 is basically, as you say, a market-run state taken to an extreme. I'm not sure that ShinRa does what...

Was talking to a friend about FF8 and realized why I heavily dislike FF7's setting. There is very little sense of culture or history aside from Wutai and, to an extent, Cosmo Canyon. I'm getting the sense it's kind of the point of the setting -- that ShinRa kind of just consumes places or...

I've actually always been a little bit confused about the extent to which Cloud knew about his own problems. He acts like he's fine and normal most of the times and doesn't really show much awareness of nor reactions to his mental freakouts. Like, whenever the screen whites out, he just gets...

I'm rather confused about the end goal to all this debate. I mean, low stakes aside, what is the stake anyways, and why does it actually matter to be able to say "Pairing A is canon" and "Pairing B is not canon"? Surely it's one's overall interpretation of the characters that is more important...

It's remarkable to me that people have not tired of beating this horse. The lower the stakes, the more vicious the arguments. Truly.

I actually think CC did try to portray him as sensitive prior to the Nibelheim affair, even if they did so poorly (this is like the story of CC, actually). The problem is that we were playing as Zack the entire time, so we'd have no access to Sephiroth's thoughts, and Sephiroth is, of course...

Bad diction on my part. I didn't mean to say he was getting fooled (or to even concern myself with "Does he know draining mako kills the Planet?"), since as I said, he was definitely aware of all the shadiness ShinRa had involved themselves in wrt Angeal and Genesis. But his utter lack of action...

Hm, after reading a bit of Eidolon, I have to say I disagree with the characterization of Zack. While I can potentially see Zack feeling guilty over getting Cloud stuck in a test tube for four years,* the part that seems OOC to me is Zack consciously sending Cloud after Sephiroth, because he...

@ Minato Arisato: I definitely sell Zack short, but much of that is because I don't know what to think of him. :P I'm not saying he didn't know that ShinRa was doing nasty things, just that he spent a lot of time ... not really concerned about it, even in the face of a lot of evidence? I'm...

That's hard to say. As fun as it is to hate on Hojo for being the source of all fucking evil in FF7, we don't really have anything on his background. I honestly think to make it as a SOLDIER (or as a scientist in FF7, lol!) you have to be sociopathic/psychopathic to some degree ... otherwise...

jazz, I'm under the impression that you think I want to somehow excuse his actions. I don't. I think what he did is completely inexcusable. But I am interested in excavating his character from what little information we have of him, both because he's not a dead-end and because his portrayal...