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It’s okay. The real plot twist was he was just a grunt who wound up becoming what he desired to be through bizarre circumstances. His struggle to know himself was because he couldn’t accept himself, even before his mind was wiped. It set him up to crumble up under all of it. He was only about...

This is where I’m going to leave the conversation. I have been making my argument for the Remake, not the original game. This is how this conversation started and I’ve come to back to that a few. The original game is the inspiration for the Remake, but it’s not a carbon copy of it. I...

I agree with all this in terms of the OG. All these details are good and prove the point that Cloud's recollection of the promise came from his own memory. You are 100% correct. Case closed. For the Remake, it wasn't just the ease of which Cloud remembered the promise, it's within the context...

It's these variances here that are interesting. Even if the other clones have moments of lucidity, they are still pretty much brain dead. The Jenova memory suppression is absolute for them. It's absolute in that they can't even delude themselves into doing something. They're zombies. They're...

Totally a possibility. What I was getting at is the point of the promise was to reunite with her (because why else is it important to begin with), but for him SOLDIER was a requirement. He did know that she wanted to see him again, but he hid from her because of his shame. He prioritized that...

Agree with all of the above. I just had a thought: Cloud confidently gives the flower to Tifa. "It has been five years. A guy can change." Does he remember hiding from her? If so, that's a smoking gun.

This is a fantastic paragraph. I love how you included all these details. There seems to be some complexity to it all, right? Sephiroth is a known psychopath, so lying to manipulate a situation isn't out of the question for him. It's most likely what he did here. Cloud's sense of self had been...

This is all in the context of the original game, yes? If so, that’s fine. I’m not questioning that. My point is about the Remake and how the explanation for the OG no longer adds up: In the Lifestream sequence, the memory of the promise is shown to not be good enough because Cloud could not...

@villains23 Thank you. Here's the thing: There are differences in what Cloud remembers in the Remake and the original game. The differences in the Remake did not fit the reasoning provided for the original game because Sephiroth is from the future with knowledge of the events of the original...

What’s the rest of my sentence? Please give me the context. I have given a lot of context of for why Cloud would being lying. I know the context is missing because I know what I have written. I’ll answer the question. Just provide what I actually said. @villains23 As in please provide it. I’m...

I posted this under the “Does Aerith Live?” spoiler thread: I think they are going to make the player have Cloud choose a timeline. Choose the one with Zack and Aerith live, Sephiroth wins. Where they die, the world is saved. And the point of Zack being alive is to foil Cloud and Aerith: he...

Thank you. How many times has Sephiroth failed at world domination at this point? He’s finally decided to figure it out.

No, I wouldn't say Sephiroth specifically made him forget. That was the effects of the Jenova Project, right? Yes, it's taking advantage of the situation. What I mean about Cloud's guilt is it didn't matter the real cause of the deception. He felt bad about it regardless because of the...

Maybe I should be making my argument this way: like you say, Cloud is special to Sephiroth is likely because he knows Cloud defeated him. The time jannies try to keep things on course because something keeps interfering and trying to change how things occurred in the original game (again, most...

@Makoeyes987 I get a strong impression that you seem to think I'm trying to imply Cloud actively plotted with Sephiroth to kill Aerith and end the world. Like they're off playing catch with the Black Materia while laughing manically or something. And maybe I'm being obtuse because the...

I'm going by the explanation given to me by Cloud himself within the game. If that's not where I should be looking for an answer, then what is your point about him not being a liar? In Crisis Core he has a way to avoid the whole issue by keeping his identity concealed. That's all he has to do...

Yes, yes, yes. Unfortuntely for him, he ends causing the apocalypse. It's not that he meant to. It just happened that way. Cloud lying makes him a more compelling character because of exactly what you say: it's human nature. He's the main protagonist. We're suppose to sympathize with him. And...

He's randomly found by Tifa at a train station while he's in pretty rough shape. He needs an explanation that he's willing to give. It wasn't a big lie at the time. He also knows he can get work if people know him as a former SOLDIER. He's not looking to be malicious, he's looking to get by. He...

I'm saying Cloud lied because he's human, not because he's a bad person. People lie about stuff they are ashamed of all the time. It is a completely normal self-defense mechanism. The point is he is a human being. Bad things have happened to him and he needs a way to cope with it to move...

I do believe Cloud would've still lied if there was no plot about Sephiroth and the end of the world. I say this because he is an active character with his own wants. His lying wasn't intended as malicious, but to cover up his shame about his perceived failings. This is exactly what he says...