"SO HOW DARE YOU BE UPSET ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC INSTANCE"
And yeah, it paints a terrible picture for the industry as a whole specifically because of big publishers like EA and the others. So we're not allowed to call that out because....water is wet?
Hope you don't mind me not replying to every single line etc. I cba quoting everything but just assume the previous stuff is lumped in.
Idk I just think it's a bit disingenuous to hand wave my entire posts and be like "DUH Gabe its an EA thread of course were gonna talk about EA only!" when in the past talking about industries or whatever as a whole being especially shit there's always that distinction of like "this case is especially shitty, but the whole thing it lives in is still pretty shit over all" going on.
I asked if you "seriously don't see any reason people would be unhappy," where are you getting this slaughtered a unicorn stuff?
Not when no one here has played it and the only good thing going for it is it's writer and premise. Plenty of movies and games have had excellent writers and shit directors etc.that have turned out horribly.
I'm not going to get bent out of shape (water is wet argument!) over something that happens regularly in the games industry. Games change focus, cut content or completely change entirely in the development process that's just normal. I mean Devil May Cry was going to be RE:4 lol
Focus testing has a worse track record. See hito's earlier post about coffee. Or perhaps New Coke?
Um. I think it speaks volumes that everything new that makes it to market is generally focus tested and you guys brought up like... 2 examples? Out of probably millions of instances where focus testing hit?
You just said your argument is that "water is wet," so no, I see no reason to elaborate.
That's pretty unfortunate I've been replying to everyone here in good faith and you keep replying to me with 1 sentence retorts and memes. Feels bad just wanted some discussion, not a "Oh god Gabe why is your throat wrapped around EA's cock" thread going. Fuck it balls deep it goes.
I hear BP gives to charity.
Cool. So we can just ignore all context when making replies now?
If we were responsible for EA 'winning' that "Worst Company in America" thing, Gabe, I would agree with you. As it is, you're simply chastising people for being upset about something because other companies that people also hate do the same thing.
>Doesn't grab the dick to my right in the circlejerk
>Chastising.
I fap with my left hand anyway.
Sorry for offering links, sources and an argument that isn't just the exact same post as the one everyone else is making in a conversation. Didn't realize trying to have a discussion is chastising and replying in memes and ignoring half the shit I say isn't. (Strawman argument!)
I found merit in half of what your previous posts on the topic said, but this bit, for me, is a bit too much like the arguments last year that went "You should vote for Hillary because even though she's a snake in the grass, other politicians are too," and ... no.
If people vote with their wallet, then they can absolutely choose not to vote if their options come down to the video game equivalents of Hillary and Trump.
But a lot of people did effectively vote with their wallet this election cycle... and well Trump is president, Lobbyists etc. still have their arms up their politicians puppet holes and our horrible system is still effectively the same lol.
I get what your saying though, I'm just being an ass at this point lol.
Gabe, everybody knows this happens in the game industry, but there is at least a perception - if it's not fact - that EA is the worst. Activision is perhaps as bad and Square Enix is definitely heading down the path of horror (Deus Ex Mankind Divided Praxis Kits I'm looking at you), but EA has legitimately ate then destroyed at this point a shitload of studios with pretty blockbuster franchises. They have a reputation for doing this. Is there another publisher who's done this on such a scale? I can't think of one but I am admittedly too lazy to do the research.
Only because it's honestly low hanging fruit for journalists to get a headline saying "EA does it again!". Think back to Video games becoming mainstream again till now , how many independent dev studios were there back then? Tons right? What happened to them? Where do those people work now?
A Large majority of them were in the same situation as Lorne Lanning and Oddworld Inhabitants in that they were "independent" but still striking up deals with publishers for some backing to release games. Eventually Publishers wanted more than just the IP's and wanted bigger teams under them. So when you say which other companies did this to the same scale as EA, the simple answer is that the death of the independent development studio is basically on the hands every Publisher. If I had to guess who the next biggest offender it is I'd have to say either Zenimax or Activision , Zenimax if only because their tactics were especially bad (intentionally bankrupting devs who owed them money). Fundamentally though the answer to your question is honestly all of them.
Seriously read the interview with Lorne I posted up earlier. The stuff that was going down between the PS1 to like the beginning of the PS3 era was the scummiest shit ever.
People are reacting this way for a reason. I don't just blame EA for Andromeda being a mess since Bioware developed it, but I absolutely believe that if Bioware had remained independent they'd have gone in a completely different direction.
I was under the impression their smaller sister team Bioware Montreal made Andromeda and in like less than 2 years at that , while the actual Bioware guys made Anthem?
That doesn't change the fact that they're crushing a studio for daring to make a linear game in an age where they want to encourage players to buy lootboxes. I don't give a fuck if the whole industry is doing it, it doesn't make it right.
But did they? This is kind of the conjecture stuff I was posting about yesterday. We simply don't know that they killed Visceral because "they dared to be different". Isn't it just as reasonable to say they may have killed the team/shifted the game, because it was a team known for underselling and the game they were making was already not testing well with focus groups?
Like I asked earlier how many times are you willing to give someone 100 million$? How many times are you willing to do that when they have undersold games in the past? How many times are you willing to do that when it's starting to look like the writing is on the wall?
What they haven't done is given us as consumers any reason to believe they're good for the kind of games that we like.
On the fence here, especially lately as they have been transitioning away from their "we are doing original games lately!" phase and going back into movie tie ins and sequels phase.
But there was a time not all that long ago when they released Dead Space 1, Dragon Age, Mirrors Edge, brought a Battlefield game to Console. Like sure they made yet another Shootybang, but how many of you guys actually played their Shootybangs back then?
Cause it was a whole heck of a lot different then everything else. 1 BF3 map could have every single map for like 2 CoD games in it, had jets, tanks, helicopters, jeeps, jeeps with guns, cannon tank 6 wheel things, anti air turret gun things on treadmill things. Heck Bad Company 2 had Red Faction levels of map terraforming. You could literally make a big ass hole to hide your tanks in, on PC on like a 1000 ticket server there wasn't a map anymore, it was just a open field with holes everywhere by the end of it lol.
Idk man. I think they at least used to try to make pretty unique games a few years back. Idk if thats the point you were trying to make or if you were alluding to microtransactions or something, if it's the latter am I allowed to do the water is wet thing again? Cause they aren't really the worst at that nor the grand daddy of it either (thank Valve for what were in now). I
tl;dr idk I've seen in the past threads where something shit would happen and we were able to easily say "Yeah it was shit but the whole situation that lead to is even worse!" , so it feels kind of shitty to try and point out the same things going on here and just be at best have my posts laughed at and dismissed with one liners and memes.
Liked that picture of a bra though it was nice. (Victim card argument!)
edit: also from some guy at Kotaku but
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/920709214993035265
I feel like I should clarify that despite today's Hot Takes, Visceral's game was not canned b/c it was single-player (from what I've heard)
*follow up tweet*
Because investors don't like hearing "the project was a mess"
. The list goes on, this isn't some EA exclusive move at all It's literally how the game industry operates.
). Your cherry picking the shit out of my replies and ignoring the context of some of them just to serve what ever the point of your retort was.