Canon (or hypothetical) party members?

Danseru-kun

Danseru-kun

Pro Adventurer
Cloud can choose his party members or we can argue they were technically were with him in the parts of the stories. But then in the Ultimanias and Reminiscence Tifa is always with him, do you think Tifa is canonically there always? Reference here.

Also, one of my friends told me that Loz, Yazoo and Kadaj seem to mimic Tifa, Vincent and Cloud and in Reminiscence they were the party members. What do you think?

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How about other game scenarios?

Or do you think that in the story, they are ALL in there?
 
Edley

Edley

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Issac Dian, Dudley, Chev Chelios
I've played VII where Tifa's only in Cloud's party when required and where she's always in Cloud's party and it doesn't enrich/detract from the story so I'd probably say no. She's with Cloud more often than not IMO, but party members were user driven so I don't think you can assign canon to who was and was not with Cloud at certain parts.

The PHS made it seem like the party was split up until they all needed to be in the same place. I think Barret even said something to that effect at the Midgar gate if you don't pick him.

The remnants were aspects of Sephiroth's personality; Loz was strength, Kadaj was cruelty and rage, and Yazoo was femmey.
 
Alex Strife

Alex Strife

Ex-SOLDIER
My take is that on key moments, they are all there. It may not be the case when you're fighting the Materia Eater. But on that last fight with Sephiroth? Yeah, I say they're all there, canonically speaking.

After all, the "3-people fighting" is more of a technical limitation / technical choice / artistic choice / whatever you want to call it.
 
Danseru-kun

Danseru-kun

Pro Adventurer
I don't know about other scenes but as for Tifa here are my thoughts.

I said this in my playthrough thread but I think it makes the most sense that Tifa is the one who accompanied Cloud and Barret to see Dyne. She's the one closest to Barret in the party and it's fitting that it's her.

Also, I think it makes sense that she accompanies Cloud in recruiting Vincent, Nibelheim is her hometown anyway.

What do you think about other three-person combos? Who do you think are the ones who are more likely to stick together?
 
Alex Strife

Alex Strife

Ex-SOLDIER
I agree with you that in some parts, it's definitely three people teams only, yes!

But I also believe that, while some of the "choices" may make more sense than others, in the end it's all a bit of a head-cannon.

For instance, I use Tifa the 100% of the time you can use her, ever since you first recruit her and then regain her until she leaves the team, and then after you get her back. So to me, she's always there. She is, after all, the only person who knew Cloud before the game started, and she definitely has reasons to keep a close eye on him anyway.
 
Danseru-kun

Danseru-kun

Pro Adventurer
I think this is how they usually stick together (headcanon of course.) Cloud is nice and protective of both girls so he has them. The other leaders are Barret and Cid so they are separated. RedXIII and Yuffie are the mentally youngest in the team so they are not put together in one team. Haha headcanon

Cloud
Tifa
Aerith

Barret
Red XIII
Cait Sith

Cid
Yuffie
Vincent
 
Danseru-kun

Danseru-kun

Pro Adventurer
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LOL I forgot about that. Barret is with a dog and the cat but then I don't want to separate Yuffie and Vincent XD
 
AvecAloes

AvecAloes

Donator
Except for when you first leave Midgar (and your party states they are splitting up), I always understood that the rest of the party is always with you.
 
AvecAloes

AvecAloes

Donator
I don't know which he is, but his howl upon finding his father is very wolf-like. Not to mention incredibly heartwrenching.
 
Kermitu Kleric Katie

Kermitu Kleric Katie

KULT OF KERMITU
The official guidebooks say Red XIII's species is feline. Anyway, I use Tifa most of the time I can and I use Vincent from the time I get him until I get the death penalty(excepting a few cases), and I use Cid a lot too.
 
S and G

S and G

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MJ Gallagher
While Red XIII does appear to have a wolf-like face, King Porky Minch is right. he is officially feline.

Back to the original topic, though, do you remember the fuss that was kicked up over the Dirge of Cerberus intro because half the fans believed Vincent and Yuffie's presence in Midgar explained why they are not present in the final FMV of the original game. Despite there being no time given for that event and that they both appear in the prologue of Advent Children to be fighting with the others against Sephiroth.
 
Gym Leader Devil

Gym Leader Devil

True Master of the Dark-type (suck it Piers)
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So many names
Nanaki's species is clearly feliform, their body shape and movement are entirely reminiscent of large cats like Tigers and Lions. But, they also definitely have a number of caniform traits, like the shape and size of their muzzle and (obvious thing is obvious) the fact that they howl. Though they can apparently also roar like members of the genus Panthera, if the AC/C recreation of the "500 years later" scene is anything to go by :awesome:

Oh right, this isn't a thread to discuss the morphology of fictional critters is it? Ok yeah, I got nothing so I'll just be over here now :monster:
 
Flintlock

Flintlock

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I would like to throw in a couple of TVTropes pages at this point of the discussion: Arbitrary Headcount Limit and its close relative, Lazy Backup.

I can't say I've ever thought about which groups the characters travel around in. The reason for that is simple enough. Cloud's group, the lead group, is always changing, so the other ones would have to be as well...
 
jazzflower92

jazzflower92

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The Girl With A Strong Opinion
Speaking Tifa,I heard somewhere on the interenet that they were actually thinking between killing her or Aerith off.It might not be true but it still makes me wonder what if Tifa was the one who was killed off instead of Aerith.Would it have the same emotional impact as Aerith's?Although from a the game's significance it probably wouldn't be as impacting as Aerith's but it would hit Cloud very emotionally because of the fact that his childhood crush is dead.Plus the fact that he couldn't save her.
 
The Twilight Mexican

The Twilight Mexican

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TresDias
It was between Barret and Aerith they were choosing. The decision to kill off Aerith led to expanding Tifa's character, as Cloud, Barret and Aerith were the only playable characters at that early stage of development. This was even before Cloud's back story had been developed.

S and G said:
Back to the original topic, though, do you remember the fuss that was kicked up over the Dirge of Cerberus intro because half the fans believed Vincent and Yuffie's presence in Midgar explained why they are not present in the final FMV of the original game. Despite there being no time given for that event and that they both appear in the prologue of Advent Children to be fighting with the others against Sephiroth.
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To be fair to those fans, it was Nomura and Kitase's fault. Both of them said the opening of DoC explained why they weren't in the ending FMV of the original game, and in no less than two interviews. Obviously, Advent Children, Reminiscence and the 10th Anniversary Ultimania contradicted that -- and then Nojima realized he had to fix their mistake, so he used Case of Shinra to establish exactly when the DoC opening took place.
 
jazzflower92

jazzflower92

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The Girl With A Strong Opinion
Hawkeye said:
It was between Barret and Aerith they were choosing. The decision to kill off Aerith led to expanding Tifa's character, as Cloud, Barret and Aerith were the only playable characters at that early stage of development. This was even before Cloud's back story had been developed.



To be fair to those fans, it was Nomura and Kitase's fault. Both of them said the opening of DoC explained why they weren't in the ending FMV of the original game, and in no less than two interviews. Obviously, Advent Children, Reminiscence and the 10th Anniversary Ultimania contradicted that -- and then Nojima realized he had to fix their mistake, so he used Case of Shinra to establish exactly when the DoC opening took place.
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So,they were planning on killing Aerith off before they fully developed Cloud's backstory.I still wonder what they orginally were going to make Cloud's backstory though.The fact that Tifa was created after Aerith could send a signal that Tifa was expanded into Cloud's backstory after the fact that Aerith's role as main female character would be taken from her.

Yeah,the fact Zack was a last minute addition really makes me wonder what Cloud's backstory was like in the early drafts as well.Was Tifa made a huge part of the backstory because of her expanded role after Aerith's death?I also wonder if her role was even bigger before they decided to add Zack into the picture.

The fact that there is so many contradictions is another reason why a lot of people hate the Compliation.Becuase it seems like they are pulling things out of their butts and not thinking through how they would tie up with the orginal game.Can't take the creator's seriously if they seem to be contradicting their own stuff.
 
Selphie Tilmitt

Selphie Tilmitt

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Maidenofwar
Aerith's role as main female character/main heroine/-teh- heroine was never really taken from her. She's Materia Jesus and saves the world ya know :pinkmonster: At the end when all seems lost Aerith ultimately saves the day.

Her role as main love interest (if that was originally intended) was and went to Tifa who is teh main love interest/Cloud's main support :)

The FFVII medias advertise this as such, Cloud (teh hero), Aerith (teh heroine), Sephiroth (teh villian) For Advent Children and such it's Tifa :)
 
Vendel

Vendel

Banned
jazzflower92 said:
The fact that there is so many contradictions is another reason why a lot of people hate the Compliation.Becuase it seems like they are pulling things out of their butts and not thinking through how they would tie up with the orginal game.Can't take the creator's seriously if they seem to be contradicting their own stuff.
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I always chuckle when I see "contradictions" brought up. Sure it's one thing if you are pointing out actual changes, retcons etc. But most of the time I see that word used it is by certain segment of shippers who think that anything that disagrees with the silly crap they make up ideas they hold is a "contradiction". Needless to say the compilation is full of them. :lol:
 
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