10 Cloverfield Lane
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So, I rewatched Cloverfield again today, and watched through it again after in Investigation mode to dig further in to the other extras. I forgot how much surrounding bits of story and groundwork were put together for the background elements of first film's setting and entirely unexplored in the film's story itself.
So yeah, the last paragraph's stretch notwithstanding, that's essentially what I think we're getting, where it's going, and how it's connected to Cloverfield.
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First, there's the Tagruato Corporation's sketchy involvement. Slusho! is a subsidiary corporation of theirs, and also the company Rob became the V.P. of and why he's having a going away party. Tagruato's a drilling company responsible for finding "Seabed's Nectar" (the stimulant in Slusho!'s drink, and also an addictive steroid of some sort responsible for the monster's extreme growth). Tagruato's CEO is in New York and then bails out just before the attack — which starts with their company's oil tanker capsizing during the first part of the attack, but leaking no oil and potentially drawing the creature in. There's also the fact that the blood of the Parasites has Seabed's Nectar in it, and there's a terrorist group called T.I.D.O. Wave responsible for attacking one of Tagruato's oil platform slightly prior to that event (connected to one of Rob's friends whose girlfriend was at the party).
The Hammer-Down protocol (i.e. bombing the everliving fuck out of Manhattan) was partially to try to kill Clover — also called the Large Scale Aggressor (LSA), but also to attempt to wipe out the extremely aggressive Human Scale Parasites (HSPs) that came off it. It was estimated there were about two thousand of them, and their bites would kill people in 20-40 mins, though no one really understands how or why yet. One of the hypothesis presented in the film for the whole events was that Clover was actually driven to land because of the HSPs attacking it — again, pointing to the fallout of actions by the shady Japanese corporations messing with those things.
All of that still doesn't touch on the fact that Clover is officially still a creature in its infancy, and the backwards audio after the credits says, "It's still alive." So, while the area around Manhattan could be free of Parasites, our main threat is still out there (and is suggested not to be one-of-a-kind). On top of that, Lily is the only main cast survivor, since she escapes on a chopper we don't see later, and don't have any detailed information about her, like we do about Rob/Jason's mom, or the guy Beth brought to the party.
What's also interesting is that, of all of the cast, when the credits roll and the characters come up, Marlena (Diamond) is the first person listed (but without her last name) — despite not appearing first in the film or even having anything close to a primary role in the group. She's totally an outsider both to the group, and unconnected to literally all other elements of the story.
I think that the fact that Lizzy Caplan and Mary-Elizabeth Winstead look very similar in these respective films could mean that that's our point of connection. This would make sense, especially since she is the only one who mentions that she was supposed to meet a group of friends who we never see in any other form in the film. It seems even more likely, since J.J. Abrams mentions that the film is "a blood relative" of the first film, rather than a sequel/prequel. This would give them a way to expand the film sideways, essentially filling out more details around it, while also adding in small elements about all the background.
At this point, my immediate guess is that Mary-Elizabeth Winstead's character is a relative of Marlena's (let's us get a last name as a connection), and she and out other guy get saved by John Goodman's character. As someone with a Fallout shelter, we get almost all of our background/conspiracy-theory-type information from him, and the imprisonment factor is the initial "monster" that we're presented with, up until her escape (attempt) — at which point we're presented with the fallout from Cloverfield. This is assumedly taking place after Sat, May 23rd when the bombs get dropped, since that happens in a period of about 6 hours, and their time in the shelter looks to be FAR longer than that. Additionally, not knowing the fate of her sister in Manhattan gives a strong motivation for escape, and means that that could just be the tip of the iceberg for her journey. (Just like the original showed next to nothing in their trailer).
Of potential note is the fact that after Marlena died from her HSP bite injury — Hud, Lily, & Rob go to Beth's apartment at 10 Columbus Circle, Manhattan and that borders Central Park. After the Hammer-Down protocol, everything gets renamed (Her apartment area as U439, and Central Park US-447), and when rewatching the film in Investigation Mode, that name stood out, especially because of the formatting, and the fact that the 10 Cloverfield Lane trailer starts with showing someone punching in just 4-8-3 (despite the readout showing 4813). It's an odd thing to cut out, especially because it's so immediately evident, but next to the post-Hammer-Down protocol naming designations, that seems like a small indication of what we could be looking at, although that is as much as I'm willing to stretch about really obscure comparisons.
The Hammer-Down protocol (i.e. bombing the everliving fuck out of Manhattan) was partially to try to kill Clover — also called the Large Scale Aggressor (LSA), but also to attempt to wipe out the extremely aggressive Human Scale Parasites (HSPs) that came off it. It was estimated there were about two thousand of them, and their bites would kill people in 20-40 mins, though no one really understands how or why yet. One of the hypothesis presented in the film for the whole events was that Clover was actually driven to land because of the HSPs attacking it — again, pointing to the fallout of actions by the shady Japanese corporations messing with those things.
All of that still doesn't touch on the fact that Clover is officially still a creature in its infancy, and the backwards audio after the credits says, "It's still alive." So, while the area around Manhattan could be free of Parasites, our main threat is still out there (and is suggested not to be one-of-a-kind). On top of that, Lily is the only main cast survivor, since she escapes on a chopper we don't see later, and don't have any detailed information about her, like we do about Rob/Jason's mom, or the guy Beth brought to the party.
What's also interesting is that, of all of the cast, when the credits roll and the characters come up, Marlena (Diamond) is the first person listed (but without her last name) — despite not appearing first in the film or even having anything close to a primary role in the group. She's totally an outsider both to the group, and unconnected to literally all other elements of the story.
I think that the fact that Lizzy Caplan and Mary-Elizabeth Winstead look very similar in these respective films could mean that that's our point of connection. This would make sense, especially since she is the only one who mentions that she was supposed to meet a group of friends who we never see in any other form in the film. It seems even more likely, since J.J. Abrams mentions that the film is "a blood relative" of the first film, rather than a sequel/prequel. This would give them a way to expand the film sideways, essentially filling out more details around it, while also adding in small elements about all the background.
At this point, my immediate guess is that Mary-Elizabeth Winstead's character is a relative of Marlena's (let's us get a last name as a connection), and she and out other guy get saved by John Goodman's character. As someone with a Fallout shelter, we get almost all of our background/conspiracy-theory-type information from him, and the imprisonment factor is the initial "monster" that we're presented with, up until her escape (attempt) — at which point we're presented with the fallout from Cloverfield. This is assumedly taking place after Sat, May 23rd when the bombs get dropped, since that happens in a period of about 6 hours, and their time in the shelter looks to be FAR longer than that. Additionally, not knowing the fate of her sister in Manhattan gives a strong motivation for escape, and means that that could just be the tip of the iceberg for her journey. (Just like the original showed next to nothing in their trailer).
Of potential note is the fact that after Marlena died from her HSP bite injury — Hud, Lily, & Rob go to Beth's apartment at 10 Columbus Circle, Manhattan and that borders Central Park. After the Hammer-Down protocol, everything gets renamed (Her apartment area as U439, and Central Park US-447), and when rewatching the film in Investigation Mode, that name stood out, especially because of the formatting, and the fact that the 10 Cloverfield Lane trailer starts with showing someone punching in just 4-8-3 (despite the readout showing 4813). It's an odd thing to cut out, especially because it's so immediately evident, but next to the post-Hammer-Down protocol naming designations, that seems like a small indication of what we could be looking at, although that is as much as I'm willing to stretch about really obscure comparisons.
So yeah, the last paragraph's stretch notwithstanding, that's essentially what I think we're getting, where it's going, and how it's connected to Cloverfield.
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I found the whale one:
Definitely has the Sin vibe going on.Though I do think the actual monster in the movie is more 'terrifying' in appearance, and more alien.
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I'm calling it.
This trailer has my interest more than the other, but I still am not yet convinced to watch it at the cinemas.
The monster in this film doesn't exist, but is an elaborate ruse by the real monster: John Goodman 
. The film attempts to make you feel like the non-existing monster is present at all times, passing for Lovecraftian horror. If I'm right, then the film has a challenge on its hand to impress me .
. The film attempts to make you feel like the non-existing monster is present at all times, passing for Lovecraftian horror. If I'm right, then the film has a challenge on its hand to impress me .
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Embeddable version!
Additionally, while John Goodman's character is clearly one of the monsters in this film, I think that we'll also look at the fact that just because he's right with his paranoia about a REAL monster, it doesn't make him any less terrible.
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Additionally, while John Goodman's character is clearly one of the monsters in this film, I think that we'll also look at the fact that just because he's right with his paranoia about a REAL monster, it doesn't make him any less terrible.
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I'm calling it.The monster in this film doesn't exist, but is an elaborate ruse by the real monster: John Goodman
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Looks like our Viral stuff is in full swing, and DAMN it's interesting: http://www.slashfilm.com/10-cloverfield-lane-viral/
Especially because it's likely that you can see one of those all-important satellites falling at the end of Cloverfield, which would give precedent for the paranoia given his line of work.
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Especially because it's likely that you can see one of those all-important satellites falling at the end of Cloverfield, which would give precedent for the paranoia given his line of work.
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The trailers have a subliminal message-like image that varies by theater now: https://www.reddit.com/r/10cloverfieldlane/comments/45c89d/trailer_picture_megathread/
I got the see the Cinemark one at Deadpool tonight.
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I got the see the Cinemark one at Deadpool tonight.
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All the images held numbers, used to form coordinates in Louisiana (where the film takes place), and some guy just found this:
More'll show up here: https://www.reddit.com/r/10cloverfieldlane/comments/46l4id/holy_crap_guys_this_is_it/
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More'll show up here: https://www.reddit.com/r/10cloverfieldlane/comments/46l4id/holy_crap_guys_this_is_it/
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Did you like him in "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"
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It's still good, just.. not the final 15 or so min. That... yeah. Not needed, and took me out of the good time I was having. Made me think "...where is this going?", but not in a good way.
Goodman's astounding tho, as always.
Goodman's astounding tho, as always.
Yup. Felt tacked on and out of place. Turns a tense, psychological thriller into independence day, for no reason.
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Interestingly because of the title, I had expected that ending and actually liked it WAY more, instead of less. If it hadn't had the title as a hint, it would've felt a lot more out of left field.
Non-spoiler version & clarification:
10 Cloverfield Lane is more like an episode of the Twilight Zone, and the "Cloverfield" bit seems to be that overall connection rather than a direct connection. The "blood relative and not a sequel" comment is about as clear as you can be on that without giving anything away.
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• If you're paying attention, there's one very clear indication that what occurs in the last 15 mins is gonna happen. Emmet is our best source of honesty, and you have to remember that at the very start he mentions that he saw the lights that Howard was talking about. The rest of the build up and other reveals continue to cloud their thoughts about it all, but the two of them didn't build their makeshift clean suit without reason.
- Additionally, the ARG does a lot to reveal Howard's background in the Navy and his later work with satellites for Cloverfield-known shady organizations: Bold Futura, Tagruato, etc. It's this bit that the title had me expecting it (along with Emmet's comment about Howard's theory about Martian worms).
• With Michelle choosing not to run away in order to help other people but rather to continue to stand up and fight, it completes her arc from her encounter in the hardware store that she shares with Emmet, since her escape alone doesn't address that need she has.
• You get something that's multi-layered in a really interesting and uncomfortable (in a good way).
- Did Howard run her off the road intentionally and was he being honest about not meaning to, or did he intentionally take the opportunity to hit and abduct her last-minute despite the REAL and impending threat of danger that he absolutely genuinely fears?
- Unlike his previous kidnapping victim, it makes the line a lot more blurry about how much of his actions were rooted genuine concern and how much were the sort of creepy abductee-fueled obsession.
- It eliminates any possibility of Emmet not being 100% genuine in all of his statements and concerns.
- Additionally, the ARG does a lot to reveal Howard's background in the Navy and his later work with satellites for Cloverfield-known shady organizations: Bold Futura, Tagruato, etc. It's this bit that the title had me expecting it (along with Emmet's comment about Howard's theory about Martian worms).
• With Michelle choosing not to run away in order to help other people but rather to continue to stand up and fight, it completes her arc from her encounter in the hardware store that she shares with Emmet, since her escape alone doesn't address that need she has.
• You get something that's multi-layered in a really interesting and uncomfortable (in a good way).
- Did Howard run her off the road intentionally and was he being honest about not meaning to, or did he intentionally take the opportunity to hit and abduct her last-minute despite the REAL and impending threat of danger that he absolutely genuinely fears?
- Unlike his previous kidnapping victim, it makes the line a lot more blurry about how much of his actions were rooted genuine concern and how much were the sort of creepy abductee-fueled obsession.
- It eliminates any possibility of Emmet not being 100% genuine in all of his statements and concerns.
Non-spoiler version & clarification:
10 Cloverfield Lane is more like an episode of the Twilight Zone, and the "Cloverfield" bit seems to be that overall connection rather than a direct connection. The "blood relative and not a sequel" comment is about as clear as you can be on that without giving anything away.
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So, "Cloverfield" is just a catch-all for weird shit?
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To me, it's not what happened, but how it happened thats the problem.
It can be aliens the whole time, sure. Go for it. Just don't turn it into summer alien invasion action movie. It came across as something like, if in The Shining Dick Hallorann showing up resulted in a kung fu fight rather than an axe to the chest.
Bit of an extreme example, but that's the feeling that I got out of it.
Bit of an extreme example, but that's the feeling that I got out of it.
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Basically the same for me, I read the plot because the trailer intrigued me. I was liking it until I reach the final act, that was not good. Most of the film was a suspense thriller and then it suddenly turned into a sci fi action film. I think the movie would've been better served if it didn't have Cloverfield in its title because it feels like the last 15 minutes were only made to justify the movie taking place in the Cloverfield universe.
Also: The Director of 10 Cloverfield Lane Explains All About That Wild Ending
Also: The Director of 10 Cloverfield Lane Explains All About That Wild Ending
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It's so interesting, because I was expecting the last 15 mins the whole time (again somewhat because of the title - which JJ Abrams's addressed a tiny bit). Also if you've read a synopsis vs. seeing it, I'd argue that there's a bit of a difference in the execution that you won't get not seeing it.
While it doesn't work for everybody, it was absolutely the ending that really made the whole thing for me, since it changes the overarching situation significantly from how it would be if it lacked that reality outside the walls of the bunker.
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While it doesn't work for everybody, it was absolutely the ending that really made the whole thing for me, since it changes the overarching situation significantly from how it would be if it lacked that reality outside the walls of the bunker.
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I hate how everyones discussing the ending, or how well it ties into Cloverfield.. go see it because it's a fucking amazing movie that's tense as hell, the characters in it aren't stupid, the acting is superb, and there's genuinely surprising things that happen (well, if you didnt look up the plot)