SPOILERS Aerith, her powers and her knowledge

Eerie

Fire and Blood
After talking about it and being too lazy, I guess this is it. What are exactly Aerith's powers and her knowledge, how does this work, what does it mean for Remake in general?

There's no way to deny that Aerith's powers have gotten a big overhaul in Remake compared to the OG, where it was her quest to understand and embrace them.

Aerith's special's powers, that are not present in the OG, can be for now specified as:
  • Foreknowledge - we'll come back to this one, as I do not think that Aerith has the full script, and as I think that this foreknowledge works in a certain way
  • Empath - with Marlene and Red XIII specifically: hence why I think that this power is limited to *who* can receive it. Marlene can because she's a kid, Red XIII can because he's more in tune with the Planet/nature than humans. It also does seem to give them some knowledge they shouldn't have access to (see Red XIII who's very explicit about it in chapter 17)
  • Changing a portal into a Singularity
Her foreknowledge is certainly what threws most fans off; they think Aerith has the whole script of the OG, that now she knows everything. But I don't think so. She herself doesn't know what happened to Zack for example, and this has tainted a lot of her thoughts and actions in Remake. If you think that she has the full OG script, then it means you think that she's always lying, always playing a role. And I truly do not think that it is what the devs want to show about Aerith. What she states about her powers is:
  • The yellow flowers guided her (somehow the French implies that it's not the case anymore as it's used in the past but I don't know if it's the case in JP too)
  • When the Whispers touch her, she loses a part of herself
  • That she is lost, and the more she goes forward, the less she knows where to go
  • That her intuition never fails her (this is when she talks to Cloud again in the church against Reno)
  • She talks to flowers, but can't hear them back, because, reasons?
About her intuition

First, I want to go with the "my intuition never fails me!" line because well... it's a light line often thrown by girls and women, and you could think that Aerith says it alike. However, you know what's spooky? Did anyone look at its synonyms? Premonition, prescience, foreknowledge. Yes, these kind of things Aerith has exhibited throughout Remake, she told everyone very early that she had them. Since we've been shown at this point Cloud having this kind of premonition knowledge through flashforwards, we can guess that Aerith's work the same, except they are clearer, stronger, longer as shown in chapter 18 when she was baited with Zack's flashbacks. So I also used this to build my theory about Aerith's powers and how this works. This is her connection to the Lifestream that makes this possible; the knowledge that flows through it is also accessible to her, albeit in a diminished, truncated way.

About the flowers talking to her

As seen in chapter 8, Aerith explains that, despite talking to flowers, she can't hear them. "Something... they have to tell us. In any case, that's the impression I get." Despite getting her powers boosted for Remake, Aerith still understands little about them. She gets flashforwards, she can see the dead, she likes flowers and nature... but she can't master her powers. She doesn't know what they are. My guess is that being in a city as big as Midgar, she is blocked from hearing the Planet's voices through Nature. She's spooky, yes. But she still doesn't understand nor master that connection with life and death that she has. So that means that this understanding and embracing her Cetra powers is still part of her story, despite them being bigger than what they were in the OG.

About her speech in her room in chapter 17

"When the Whispers touch me, I get the feeling of losing a part of myself."

I always wonder, even now - does she lose a part of herself because she loses knowledge, or does she lose a part of herself because she has so much knowledge that she is drowning into it, and her own character is lost for something bigger (the plot)? I've always wondered because the Aerith that we see from chapter 17 and onwards isn't really the Aerith we've made friends with. She becomes more like Sephiroth's white pendant, a mysterious Aerith that had to take a bigger role to protect the planet, but had to leave her own self behind in the battle. Both make sense to me.

"For now, I am lost. The more I go forward, the less I know where to go."

This would seem to indicate that she loses knowledge as the Whispers touch her, but she also states:

"The yellow flowers were the ones that showed me the path."

Which makes me think that this link is cut off at least for now, she's explored all the possibilities she had access to at this point (prior to her getting knowledge about Zack's Last Stand at least), the flower has given her the answers she sought, but not anymore.

The Case of Cloud

Going through this, it is actually a wonder if she really recognises Cloud as someone she should know from her knowledge pool the very first time they meet.

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I'm going to try to push down the number of pictures I will use, but this one is important; this is Cloud from her POV, and to me, Cloud is slightly off the center axe when right before we had a shot of Aerith right in the middle of the screen - seen through Cloud's POV. And he's tilting off to the right because there is a light emphasis on Zack's sword on his back. Not "oh lala right in your face" kind of thing, but... Aerith definitely saw it. She knows that sword. So what does she do? She gives him the yellow flower - remember, the one that guides her.

We know that Aerith talks to flowers and that she can't hear them back, but because the yellow flower is the one that guides her, I'm thinking it's kind of a motif that allows her to focus on something she wants/needs to know. This is how she gets to know things that she shouldn't, like Cloud being a mercenary, like the plate fall. But I've been thinking that when it comes to people, it's a bit different. She needs to meddle with her empath powers, to try to follow dots and links. So the flower she gives Cloud in chapter 2 allows her to delve more knowledge about him. So when she meets up with him, she knows more about him - even though she could guess the SOLDIER part, there was no way to guess the mercenary part, nor the bodyguard part. And, oddly, she is not able to see to whom Cloud did give the flower - however it doesn't mean that its purpose ended so fast. The fact that she saw it on the bar's counter shows that it was there to answer one of her questions - not whom Cloud did give the flower, but Tifa's significance to him - and yes in chapter 11, there is also a specific shot where she ponders about Cloud's reaction to Tifa, so that's definitely a question that came back to her: to which point is Tifa important to Cloud?

The case of Tifa

Because indeed, how her knowledge power works is really shining with Tifa.

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This is the first time that Cloud mentions Tifa, and this is Aerith's first reaction: it's to assess "who is Tifa". At this point, she has no clue about it. So, she tries to "guess", has suddenly a very mischevious face and:

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And this is when she thinks she has found the answer: "'Tifa', is it... your girlfriend's name?" she clasps her hands together in a "ha, I've found it" motion - and that's why the camera is focused on that moment. But Cloud denies so the mystery remains - however at that point, Aerith has understood Tifa's importance to Cloud. When she meets up with Tifa for the first time, she's instantly happy, as if she's reunited with an old friend, because yes, she already has at that point understood who Tifa is to her too - a dear friend! So She's happy. But at the same time, when Tifa explains why she went to don Corneo's mansion alone, she stares at her like she stared at Cloud in the previous picture. She definitely assessed her there too, understanding why she acted so recklessly, and deciding to jump in as recklessly as Tifa did. She may know that Tifa and her will be best friends, she also needs to connect to them and get a better understanding of the people around her, because she's still trying to connect all the dots.

The Case of Sephiroth

In chapter 8, Cloud asks Aerith what does she know about Sephiroth, and she's very calm and assured when she answers that "5 years ago, he died in an accident. They announced it in the news..." However, when Cloud insists, we have the famous shot of the lower half of her face with her saying "It would be... surprising..." (about Sephiroth not being dead). At this moment, she suddenly connects dots. She certainly feels that there is trouble in the Lifestream, that an evil force was doing its deed somehow, his wrongness in the Lifestream... but she never connected it to Sephiroth. And suddenly, she realises the truth as she speaks. Sephiroth is dead, but even dead he remains a threat. She's not lying, he's still dead, but still malevolent, and suddenly she understands that her task involves Sephiroth somehow, because to whom the yellow flower guided her? To Cloud. Who led her to Sephiroth. Her arch-role is taking shape, slowly.

The Case of the plate fall

There is one thing that Aerith knew right away; and Eligor knew it too: that the plate was going to fall. It's such a big shock to the Lifestream in itself that everyone with such spooky powers regarding death probably knew about it. During chapter 10-11, Tifa's going to be extremely unsettled about it, and we are shown through Aerith's immediate reactions that it is going to happen. She's the one who compels them to move swiftly, right away. Here there is no assessment, no hesitation. It's something so big that she knows they are in a hurry. In chapter 10, her role is to guide Cloud and Tifa. At that moment, she's already set up as the guide the party will need in chapter 18 against Sephiroth - she's the one doing the convincing, it's through her words that the others will act.

With the plate fall, we can see that Aerith has also access to the big events; so she tries to connect the dots and the big events together, trying to tie up all the foreknowledge she has - however it's not an easy task.

The plate fall is also where the biggest bait happens - for players. In chapter 10, Aerith states "We can change the future. Whatever it is." Which immediately gave hope to the OG players that we could save Aerith. However, even though she stated that, the plate drop still happened, and there was nothing we could do as the players - the only difference in the end is that at least Biggs is alive, and maybe he's not even alive in our timeline, so. It is to note that chapter 11 is also when she meets "Marlene" for the first time, and later on I shall pinpoint that she knows that Barret - that big Black guy she saw from afar - is her father without ever being told that, when Marlene looks nothing like Barret (well... of course).

When she tells Tifa to follow her heart, the interesting thing to me is that once again, Aerith is the one who pushes other characters to do what has to be done to follow the big plot. Another interesting angle about Aerith is when she talks with Wedge; when she tells him "Cheer up! Everything's not lost! If we believe in it, we can save lives!" we can see her true complexity and nature showing off. Yes she knows the plate will fall. When Wedge asks her that, there is a zoom on her pained face. She is very distressed about it. But she will do her utmost to save people, even in this dire situation.

In conclusion

Aerith's knowledge is scattered, her empath and foreknowledge allow her to guess and connect things a lot - however these have their own limits. So far, what Remake has shown is that despite her getting more in tune with her Cetra powers, Aerith is still stuck and missing pieces of information, knowledge, understanding about her powers and about the future. She has been a guide through the first part, but how this will play a part in the next parts? I don't know. She's always been a guide figure, and it's something they expanded on in the first game - and I'm kind of expecting them to go on with this theme for her, because she needs to be Sephiroth's counterbalance, when it comes to... the philosophy and meta of the game as a whole. So far, Remake part 1 has left us at the same place that the OG did at the end of the Midgar portion - and I would argue that it's the same with Aerith. Aerith's foreknowledge has not fundamentally changed anything... in this timeline anyway. Whether it will change things a lot in the next parts remains to be seen.
 
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Sephiroth Crescent

Way Ahead of the Plot
Great post there!

So, Aerith is both a medium and a prophet now. Wasn't there a comment about this and her new initial materia on the Remake Ultimania?
And... am I the only one who thinks she was moving her lips as if praying or speaking with the Planet in front of the mako leak at the game's opening?

Also:
"The yellow flowers were the ones that showed me the path."
This always reminds me of the Yellow Brick Road thingy.

THOUGH

The platefall thing with Aerith's optimism I think is what Tifa tries to explain when she speaks to Cloud in the Ancient City about Aerith.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
I want to bump that post because ToTP has a line where Aerith says she hasn't got any vision since they departed Midgar, and the way Tifa asked, I felt that it's a question tackled in-game, because it seemed that she was seeking confirmation.

A discussion about this with @odekopeko was really interesting; what sparked it is that she believes that the Aerith in her resolution is Aerith who has died, from the future - which I do not believe personally. But it is an Aerith who is more in touch with the Lifestream, probably due to the influx of dead people that night, so she has a better understanding of all of this.

Somehow the convo strayed; because, if we think of COLW and COLB, and Remake part 1 as a parallel to this, then Sephiroth is imposing his will, showing the future to the current self? But then, wouldn't it be possible that Aerith herself does the same thing? That her dead self sends herself visions of the future to prepare herself for what's to come?

But then, Aerith says that after the battle against the Whispers, she doesn't have anymore vision; does that mean that the future was changed, or that something got cut off - change of reality, that makes her future dead self unable to contact her younger self? I am toying with these possibilities, because apparently the portal Aerith created in chapter 18 probably holds the keys to what's happening there.
 

Fiz

Pro Adventurer
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Eh?
I want to bump that post because ToTP has a line where Aerith says she hasn't got any vision since they departed Midgar, and the way Tifa asked, I felt that it's a question tackled in-game, because it seemed that she was seeking confirmation.

A discussion about this with @odekopeko was really interesting; what sparked it is that she believes that the Aerith in her resolution is Aerith who has died, from the future - which I do not believe personally. But it is an Aerith who is more in touch with the Lifestream, probably due to the influx of dead people that night, so she has a better understanding of all of this.

But what other Aerith could it be if not either Remake Aerith talking to him via the Lifestream or OG Aerith talking to him via the lifestream?

I think it’s one of the other.

Somehow the convo strayed; because, if we think of COLW and COLB, and Remake part 1 as a parallel to this, then Sephiroth is imposing his will, showing the future to the current self? But then, wouldn't it be possible that Aerith herself does the same thing? That her dead self sends herself visions of the future to prepare herself for what's to come?

But then, Aerith says that after the battle against the Whispers, she doesn't have anymore vision; does that mean that the future was changed, or that something got cut off - change of reality, that makes her future dead self unable to contact her younger self? I am toying with these possibilities, because apparently the portal Aerith created in chapter 18 probably holds the keys to what's happening there.

I think we are going to come to dead ends on this until we have part 2. No matter the nature of Aerith in Remake, if she does know the future, which it appears she does, the game needs mechanisms to cloud her vision to certain extents otherwise she becomes... erm... OP.

These limitations won’t necessarily inform her nature in Remake. At least; not without seeing more.

Based on what we’ve seen in Remake so far, and some of the cues it’s given us, I think she’s probably going to end up being “complicated”.

Bringing your first post into it, while I agree with the thrust of it, I think its speaking more to what’s going on mechanically rather than “what” she is. If that makes sense.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
But what other Aerith could it be if not either Remake Aerith talking to him via the Lifestream or OG Aerith talking to him via the lifestream?

I just think it's Aerith from the Shinra tower who speaks to Cloud in a dream sequence, just like Aerith did in the OG in the Ancient Forest? But she is more powerful there because the Lifestream gets a boost, so she's more in tune with her future and Cloud's problem.
 

Fiz

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Eh?
I just think it's Aerith from the Shinra tower who speaks to Cloud in a dream sequence, just like Aerith did in the OG in the Ancient Forest? But she is more powerful there because the Lifestream gets a boost, so she's more in tune with her future and Cloud's problem.

Possibly, I’m not sold either way tbh
 
I'm finding the whole question of who's dead and who's alive and how many alternative selves they have and at what point in the timeline they exist or maybe they exist at multiple point simultaneously and how many parallel/divergent timelines there are and to what extent each self is communicating with other selves and whether they're corporeal or only appear in dreams or are merely figments of some or other character's imagination, just... exhausting and boring.
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Smooth Criminal
Yes we get it, but at this point it's like complaining about Sword and Shield not having all 1k Pokemon available from the start of the base game. This is simply part of it's discourse, and for better or worst to anyone, it is the furthest thing from boring for most fans trying to elucidate the direction and future of this saga.

As for Aerith, I don't think there's two Aeriths at all. Toriyama's answer was pretty clear in describing the phenomenon she manifested. That dialogue was from her but coming from the memories she absorbed from the Whispers and heightened (or even projected) by the spirit energy of the Lifestream. I'd equate it to a subconscious emotive response because while the words came from her, I don't think it's from the conscious part of Aerith's own mind. They were feelings from her heart informed by the scattered memories she's seeing/feeling from the Whispers. I don't think she knows exactly she will die, but it's more an uneasy feeling of anxiety.

I thought about this more and the best comparison I can make regarding this phenomenon would be how Yuna would feel, see and understand things subconsciously from Lenne's perspective in FFX-2. When Yuna equipped the Songstress materia dress sphere, she connected with the memories and emotions of Lenne from 1000 years ago. She'd have dreams and visions from her life and even feel her emotions from up until her death.

That's what Aerith is experiencing thanks to coming into contact with spirit bodies composed of memories from a future she was part of. There's a sort of resonance with her heart that subconsciously triggers within her and when ToTPs happen, that link has been severed because the Whispers are gone. Memories contain feelings and while the conscious mind may not remember the real emotions behind them, the feelings are still felt by the heart. They exist. And that's where Aerith was speaking from unconsciously to Cloud.
 
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ultima786

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ultima
Yes we get it, but at this point it's like complaining about Sword and Shield not having all 1k Pokemon available from the start of the base game. This is simply part of it's discourse, and for better or worst to anyone, it is the furthest thing from boring for most fans trying to elucidate the direction and future of this saga.

As for Aerith, I don't think there's two Aeriths at all. Toriyama's answer was pretty clear in describing the phenomenon she manifested. That dialogue was from her but coming from the memories she absorbed from the Whispers and heightened (or even projected) by the spirit energy of the Lifestream. I'd equate it to a subconscious emotive response because while the words came from her, I don't think it's from the conscious part of Aerith's own mind. They were feelings from her heart informed by the scattered memories she's seeing/feeling from the Whispers. I don't think she knows exactly she will die, but it's more an uneasy feeling of anxiety.
I think it's pretty likely that we're not seeing double characters. Rather, we have regular characters along with their consciousness connected to the lifeStream.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
I found the basis of my theory, so I'm back with it:


About her resolution, Toriyama says: "[...]she is able to bring forth an Aerith that has memories of the closest future."

It is interesting to note that Peko, when she played, had the impression that this was her OG self. I couldn't get more than a mere impression based on how Aerith talked there - I also remember vividly thinking "oh she knows she's going to die" at this point.

But the way Toriyama speaks of Aerith makes me think that it's not 100% the Aerith in the Shinra tower there; rather that it is the expression of Aerith who has died already, who probably even knows the outcome of the story. Which would incidentally mean that Aerith does not know that she's going to die.

In parallel, if we think about Sephiroth from the far future trying to interact with the story as he does from the Lifestream, it also means that such an Aerith also exists. In CoLW, what struck me is that Aerith was ready to go great lengths to counter Sephiroth. If such a Sephiroth exists in Remake, then such an Aerith also must exists. This is the duality of their world, Lifestream White versus Lifestream Black. So If Sephiroth feeds himself with information from the future, so does Aerith through those visions.

I also think that the end of Remake probably cut this connection for Aerith (she denies having more visions in ToTP)... which would mean that the connection is also probably cut for Sephiroth.

Now onto my latest Zack's theory which will be even crazier, stay tune :p
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
I am replaying yet again the OG to try the sweet combos mentioned here and I spotted this in my playthrough:

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I felt it was very clever of the devs to take that sentence and give it a new spin. you can't help but wonder what Aerith exactly knew in the OG, though my guess is not that much, probably XD It feels this way with a lot of her sentences in Remake, that they took them from the OG and gave them a new spin, expanded on them. Very clever, really. They did the same with other characters, of course, but this one stood out to me as they really insisted on it in Remake.
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Smooth Criminal
Yup, that's what the Remake is all about.

Recontexualizing key moments from the OG in familiar yet spicy ways to make the meaning of "Remake" far more ambiguous. And ambitious. It's an interesting way to revisit this story but in a new way, which parallels what we're doing playing the game in the first place.
 
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