Celestial Weapons - Crack Theory

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
I was thinking as I was doing this subquest, where do the Celestial Weapons come from, to be so difficult to find? I had a thought - the Celestial Weapons were used by previous High Summoners, or were at least sealed by them.

First, the World Champion. When you get it from the bartender in Luca, she explicitly states her ancestors received it from High Summoner Ohalland centuries ago. Both the crest and sigil to power up the weapon require the player to spend time in Luca playing Blitzball, which Ohalland was well-known for.

Kimahri's Spirit Lance is found in the Thunder Plains in a tower by speaking to the Qactaur spirit there. High Summoner Gandof was the one who sealed the Qactaurs and had the lightning rod towers built in the first place. The fully upgraded Spirit Lance lets Ixion, the Thunder summon, break the damage limit.

To get the Masamune, one must find a Rusty Sword near the Cavern of the Forgotten Fayth, then take it to Mushroom Rock Road and present it to a statue of Lord Mi'ihen, who founded the Crusaders. High Summoner Yocun was a Crusader who trained extensively near the Cavern of the Forgotten Fayth. The Mars Crest is found on the Mi'ihen Highroad, which was named because it was the road Mi'ihen took when he faced Yevon's accusations of treason. The Masamune lets Yojimbo, the Forgotten Fayth, break the damage limit.

Yuna's Nirvana is gotten at the Monster Arena which is surprisingly close to Remiem Temple, which is where Belgemine gives you the Moon Sigil. The Moon Crest is found at Besaid where Yuna lives. Could it be possible it was her own father Braska who wielded the Nirvana? Belgemine shows a great interest in training Yuna and gives her the Sigil, perhaps she was acting under Braska's wishes. Or maybe, even if she wasn't a High Summoner, the Nirvana belonged to Belgemine herself. The weapon lets Valefor, the first Aeon found in Besaid, break the damage limit.

And there's others too - the Sun Crest is found in Yunalesca's chamber, the Venus Sigil is found by dodging lightning at the Thunder Plains. Just a few random thoughts, obviously not every weapon-crest-sigil matches up with a High Summoner, but the above possibilities make sense don't they? Maybe, the weapons of the High Summoners become Celestial Weapons when they defeat Sin, and their weapons are sealed away for the next generation of pilgrimage-takers to use if they prove themselves worthy. Being the property of a High Summoner explains why the weapons are so powerful, why they power up Aeons, and why they were sealed away so protectively.
 
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Neo Bahamut

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Not a bad theory. Personally, I've always felt that the Celestial Weapons were linked to the world itself. The crystal to unlock them, the fact that they're "celestial," etc.
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Not a bad theory. Personally, I've always felt that the Celestial Weapons were linked to the world itself. The crystal to unlock them, the fact that they're "celestial," etc.

Apparently in the Japanese version, the Crests and Sigils were named after days of the week. The European version changed around the names of all the Crests and Sigils except for Sun and Moon which stayed the same.
 

Joker

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Godot
^ this is correct


Interesting theory. Potentially made more likely due to the mythological nature of each of the weapons, as they are all rooted within our (and by our I mean people of Earth :monster:) mythology.

Caladbolg is a corruption of "Chaladbolg" (or is it "chaladbolgae"...?), which is of Irish origin, being a sword that cut the tops off of hills (I'd have to go dig out my Irish mythology book for who used it and how it was gotten).

Nirvana is obv a reference to the Buddhist belief of a state of enlightenment.

The Onion Knight is specifically a reference to FFIII.

The World Champion is...um...a blitzball that belonged to a high summoner. <,< Which would make you a legendary blitz champion (to obtain).

The Masamune is a reference the the legendary swordsmith.

The Godhand is a reference to something or other, I can't remember.

And the Spirit Lance ISN'T called the Spirit Lance. It's original name was Longinus, which many may recognize as the name of the soldier who pierced Christ's side with his spear. It was supposed to be a bit of a metaphor (a spear so powerful it can pierce the divine), but you know those lovely US censors. :monster:
 

Tetsujin

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And the Spirit Lance ISN'T called the Spirit Lance. It's original name was Longinus, which many may recognize as the name of the soldier who pierced Christ's side with his spear. It was supposed to be a bit of a metaphor (a spear so powerful it can pierce the divine), but you know those lovely US censors. :monster:

German version calls it Longinus as well.
The Caladbolg is simply called Ultima Weapon. I think that was the original name in Japanese too.
 

Joker

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You know how American censors get about religion.

For more information, see also: Yugioh.

The more you know. :monster:

But I loved that there was so much reference to this kinda stuff in FFX. Hell, this game is what got me interested in Irish myth and folklore, which led to me never giving my sister her book back. Bitch :P

Ed: I also love how in Disgaea, not only is Longinus a spear...it's a talking spear that lives in your castle and teaches you about weapon mastery :monster:
 

Althea

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Caladbolg is a corruption of "Chaladbolg" (or is it "chaladbolgae"...?), which is of Irish origin, being a sword that cut the tops off of hills (I'd have to go dig out my Irish mythology book for who used it and how it was gotten).

@Yuri and Tetsujin: Yep you’re right! The Caladbolg was like an ultimate weapon in Irish mythology. It’s similar to Cúchuláin’s Gáe Bolg. Same idea they are pretty much unstoppable weapons. Gáe Bolg never missed a target and like you said Caladbolg was able to level in one (Fergus owned it former King of Munster).

(Also, depends what area you are in Ireland to which spelling and pronunciation is correct, cause Donegal Irish is completely different from Munster Irish etc Usually a h is added after a C when there is a preposition in front etc)

Again this is what I love about FF the little nods to different mythologies and cultures.
 

Gym Leader Devil

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So many names
I love Crack Theories, I really do. Sadly, this is not a Crack Theory at all, it makes far too much sense to be real crack.

But I love it anyway, good job Drake.
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Had another thought - Lulu's Onion Knight is found in the ruins of Baaj Temple where you get Anima, and the Crest to power it up is in the Farplane in Guadosalam.....Seymour?
 

Joker

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Hmmmm...I dunno.

It's been awhile since I played FFX, but if memory serves, Tidus wakes up at Baaj, after getting sucked into Sin. And then they find the airship there... but it's not the same place as the destroyed stadium you start in. (too bad)

I would put more money on Chappu, than anything. Tidus is supposed to look like Chappu, ya? (hate myself for saying that ><) Baaj is where he first connects to Spira, and the Crest is found in the Farplane where she sees Chappu's spirit...I don't know the history of the Onion Knight well enough to take it any further than that, however.

I could take the stretch even further and say that he quick as lightning as a Crusader, or that he used lightning the the machina weapon, and that explains the Thunder Plains connection :monster:

Or maybe he died there? oooooo
 

Gym Leader Devil

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So many names
Had another thought - Lulu's Onion Knight is found in the ruins of Baaj Temple where you get Anima, and the Crest to power it up is in the Farplane in Guadosalam.....Seymour?

And thus we learned the real reason Seymour went nuts and killed his dad/wanted to end all human life in Spira. One too many days spent with the Guado kids chanting: Seymour plays with doll-ies! Seymour plays with doll-ies!
 

Neo Bahamut

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From what I heard, the Spirit Lance was originally something along the lines of "Sword that Pierces the Divine," meant to refer to Longinus. So, if that's true, it was less "censorship" & more "mistranslation."

I honestly have a hard time believing that FF is very much censored at all, anymore. Anyone remember the startling similarities between the Glabados Church & Catholicism?
 

Joker

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CB! said:
Name origin: Just a silly name cooked up by Square's translators after eating too much Pocky. In the Japanese FFX, Kimahri's ultimate weapon was called Longinus, which is the name of the Roman soldier who pierced Christ's side with his spear. The metaphor of a spear that could pierce the divine is lost in the English translation, sadly. RIP Longinus, we barely knew ye.
 
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