Did Jenova left the planet ?

S.L.Kerrigan

Lv. 25 Adventurer
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What do you think about this reading of Advent Children ?

Jenova is gone riding a meteor and bringing all of the lifestream with her, abandonning her children.
electricity might come from oil extraction now. No more mako eyes. Materias are inoperative except if used by the remnants that become memories in the end.
Kadaj is given a box to contain a part of Jenova. When it faints, we discover a green liquid seeming little alive.
The whole movie inspires an impression of abandonment. There is a theme about orphans.

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Trainer Red

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okay, if I'm reading this correctly: you think that in Advent Children, Jenova's still alive, but she hopped on an another meteor and yeeted away from the Planet and took the Lifestream with her

(despite the fact that ingame, we find her body in Nibelheim mansion (which was then moved over to ShinRa HQ) and fight various bits and pieces of her body parts here and there.)
(and despite the fact that if the Lifestream leaves the Planet, everyone and everything on said Planet is dead.)

....and then you want Kadaj to run around as a Pokemon Trainer and he's gotta catch all of Jenova's remains to bring Jenova back? Is this what you mean?
 
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S.L.Kerrigan

Lv. 25 Adventurer
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okay, if I'm reading this correctly: you think that in Advent Children, Jenova's still alive, but she hopped on an another meteor and yeeted away from the Planet and took the Lifestream with her
Yes she's alive but hopped on the Meteor that we see at the end of Final Fantasy VII.
(and despite the fact that if the Lifestream leaves the Planet, everyone and everything on said Planet is dead.)
Do we see babies in AC ? I mean this is the kind of thing that you do after a war, a disaster.
I know that what I say can hurt, this is terribly sad and I'm sorry for that.
 
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Ergo

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#5
How does one "hop onto a meteor" especially one that's plummeting into a planet as exponential speeds before being broken up by the lifestream.

I just don't get this theory in any of its points.
 

S.L.Kerrigan

Lv. 25 Adventurer
#6
How does one "hop onto a meteor" especially one that's plummeting into a planet as exponential speeds before being broken up by the lifestream.
Complicated task, the kind of one that requires thousands of years of careful planning and preparation.
How long did the Meteor stayed over Midgar ?
 

S.L.Kerrigan

Lv. 25 Adventurer
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I'm trying to reveal my personal theory about the game's plot. And discussing it.
Many games / movies use a form of mystification to keep the viewer / player in suspense. Look at "Usual Suspect" for instance.
I think that Final Fantasy VII is a masterpiece from this point of view as well as from many others.
Aren't my arguments interesting at least ?
 
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Roger

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Minato
#11
You face and defeat an entity known as Jenova Complete before you face Sephiroth, this was at the Northern Crater a whole other continent from Midgar above which Meteor was breaking through the atmosphere at that time.. Not did it look like the Lifestream repulsed Meteor back into the void of space, it more seemed like it got destroyed. So I can't see the basis for this theory. Advent Children does have a theme of orphans and abandonment about them but I feel the tragedy of Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo was that they were in actuality the product of Sephiroth's Will entirely, their imagined Mother being dead and ignorant of their existence.
 

S.L.Kerrigan

Lv. 25 Adventurer
#12
You face and defeat an entity known as Jenova Complete before you face Sephiroth
What is special about her Complete state ?

I'm assuming that Jenova can join the Lifestream if she dies. Her own if it exists or the planet's, I'm not sure about that.
You're right to question the distance between the crater and Midgar. There surely is a lag between actions taken at the crater and their eventual consequences over Midgar.
Now considering that Jenova and Sephiroth are at the crater. Sephiroth launched the invocation Meteor which aims to find a wandering object in the cosmos and to project it on a target. It seems like that he's retaining Holy too. Jenova Complete is defeated on purpose, she returns to the Lifestream and immediately takes the direction of Midgar. Bizzaro Sephiroth is defeated, Holy is released and joins the Meteor to stop it. The fight is balanced, the two forces cancel each other out but the pressure is extreme. Jenova enters the Meteor on which she beforehand ensured that someone make a breach appear. She also brings in as much Lifestream as possible, it's a fuel and it will allow her to spread on the next planet.
Then Safer Sephiroth is defeated. The Meteor invocation is broken. Suddenly no more pressure is exerted against Holy. White flash. The meteor is propelled into the cosmos. Sephiroth sacrificed by Jenova has no time to rejoin the ship, he's now a spiritual remnant.

How does one "hop onto a meteor" especially one that's plummeting into a planet as exponential speeds before being broken up by the lifestream.
I just don't get this theory in any of its points.
You can see that Meteor remains suspended above Midgar for quite a long period of time. We can see very clearly the movement of tornadoes below a meteor that dosen't move an inch. It dosen't look like a proper meteor attack as anyone can imagine it. It is only when Holy places itself below it that the Meteor comes to weigh against it (Nanaki : "Holy is having the opposite effect").
I can not help but see Canyon Cosmo as a control tower in one of the shots.
In this regard, I also find quite strange that the Buggy breaks down just in front of Canyon Cosmo earlier in the game. Would this failure be premeditated?

From what I can see, Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo are not the only sad ones. Cloud calls Aerith "Mother" in his dream and in the end she fades away.

This is how I see things now, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
 
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Makoeyes987

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#14
Jenova's memetic legacy lurks in the Lifestream in Advent Children. This is literally explained and said outright in the movie. She hasn't gone anywhere. Her cells are the cause of Geostigma and her legacy is felt through out the world.

You have a tendency to fundamentally misunderstand concepts regarding Jenova and it's placement in the story. Sephiroth is the one who spoke of riding the lifeless husk of the planet like a meteor, and finding a new planet to terrorize. Such an act had not happened yet.
 

S.L.Kerrigan

Lv. 25 Adventurer
#15
Jenova's memetic legacy lurks in the Lifestream in Advent Children. This is literally explained and said outright in the movie. She hasn't gone anywhere. Her cells are the cause of Geostigma and her legacy is felt through out the world.
I agree that Jenova's legacy lurks in the lifestream, but a legacy is generally something that is left by someone that's gone.
Moreover, this legacy does not seem to last for long.
We beat Jenova and Sephiroth the same way at the end of the game. Why would Jenova be dead for good and Sephiroth survive.

I finished the game and watched the movie several times in my life. I am not an expert but I think I can say that I have a good knowledge of the game as a whole. The scenario is quite simple once you studied it. I don't understand how so many people (myself included) would have been interested in this game for so long if it still didn't keep a piece of mystery. I mean that the end is not satisfactory, it is truncated, like a crime that does not have been elucidated. Remember that Final Fantasy VII was originally meant to be a detective story and I guess that the player should have played this role.
Sephiroth calls Cloud a puppet, the player is Cloud. Would this not be a clever scriptwriting technique designed to irritate the player and make him question the veracity of what is shown to him ?
I remember reading or seeing a relatively recent interview by Hironobu Sakaguchi saying that there were still things to discover on Final Fantasy VII. But I can't find that part.
Now I can fully understand that my questions and proposals may seem crazy or irrelevant, but I can assure you that my goal is not to make you mad.
I have to say that there was a trigger, something that pushed me to question the plot of the game. But I do not know if you want me to talk about it.

Whether at the end of Final Fantasy VII or at the end of Dirge of Cerberus, I have the feeling that something is desperately trying to leave the planet. I would find it interesting that the launch pad be Midgar every time. Each time that humans "hybridized" (what do we really know about the process) with Jenova cells are playing with special Materias they cause the appearance of a giant kind of spherical entity above the largest Mako pump on the planet. I find it really intriguing and rather tending to "confirm" my theory : Jenova = Life.

Nature seems to have regained its rights over the realm of men when Nanaki looks at Midgar from this promontory five hundred years later. We hear children laugh, but we do not see them. Are there still humans on this planet?

My latest theory is being developed on this thread
 
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