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Lord Noctis
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So, Black/Zamasu is probably the most downright despicable villain we've had since Freeza, maybe even more so depending on what sorts of atrocities he commits next. I mean, shit, this guy is a grade A asshole, a fact which isn't helped by his smug self-righteousness, nor his hypocrisy. I've seen three foot long dildos that weren't as much of a dick as this guy. Which is a good thing. These qualities make him a very effective villain, and I quite like most of the scenes he's in because of it. That moment when he turned towards Goten and Chi-chi was absolutely chilling.
Speaking of which, I believe this might be the angriest Goku has been since Namek, and it is awesome. Watching him just wail on Black and Zamasu in a seemingly unstoppable frenzy was fantastic, especially that casual backhand. Dear god, never has a Saiyan given so few fucks.
But of course it couldn't last. Black's power is still on the rise, and it seems like his arsenal is growing ever more lethal, which was really starting to lend this episode an air of hopelessness. I mean, we got one enemy who is completely immortal, and another whose power level seems to expand massively every time anyone gains an advantage against him, and now our main hero is down for the count.
But never fear, Trunks is here, and dear god is he pissed. What is this new form? Perhaps its something demi-saiyans get instead of SS3, or maybe all the time Trunks has spent around gods has allowed a bit of their power to rub off on him, and he is now able to start incorporating godly ki into his form. Guess we'll find out next week. Gonna be a long wait.
Speaking of which, I believe this might be the angriest Goku has been since Namek, and it is awesome. Watching him just wail on Black and Zamasu in a seemingly unstoppable frenzy was fantastic, especially that casual backhand. Dear god, never has a Saiyan given so few fucks.
But of course it couldn't last. Black's power is still on the rise, and it seems like his arsenal is growing ever more lethal, which was really starting to lend this episode an air of hopelessness. I mean, we got one enemy who is completely immortal, and another whose power level seems to expand massively every time anyone gains an advantage against him, and now our main hero is down for the count.
But never fear, Trunks is here, and dear god is he pissed. What is this new form? Perhaps its something demi-saiyans get instead of SS3, or maybe all the time Trunks has spent around gods has allowed a bit of their power to rub off on him, and he is now able to start incorporating godly ki into his form. Guess we'll find out next week. Gonna be a long wait.
I must request that nobody correct the spelling for the thread title. Its better this way.
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Better than the "Doragon Boru SUPA" I would have changed it to?
Lord Noctis
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(granted the official subs are not crap)
The Twilight Mexican
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Wow. They must be making bank on advertising with this new series.
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There's a scene explaining it in the "Battle of Gods" film:
The DBS arc that adapted the movie into a longer affair didn't mention the bungled wish, but it presumably would still be what happened.
Fun side note: A lot of DB fans have concluded that this wish with the Pilaf Gang is intended as a not-so-subtle reference to Pilaf's wish in the first episode of "Dragon Ball GT," where he accidentally turned Goku into a kid. As the Pilaf Gang were all elderly there, this is taken to have been a way of declaring that GT is no longer canon to Toriyama.
The wiki mentions that since it was Future Trunks's arrival in his past that split the timeline, and since his world lost its Dragon Balls when Piccolo was killed by the Androids of his timeline (i.e. the wish would have needed to be cast prior to Piccolo's death). As Mai is around Trunks's age in both timelines per the new canon introduced by DBS, the splitting of the timeline presumably occurred after Pilaf's wish was made yet before the Androids would have emerged.
Lulcielid
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Episode 66
It was dope!! Naotoshi Shida delivering and amazing cut, better than his cut in episode 57 to boost!!. This is DBS best animated episode yet.
The only thing that I found dissapointing was the resolution being just another generic "Beating brute force with even bigger brute force" that has been plaguing the series since the Z era.
It was dope!! Naotoshi Shida delivering and amazing cut, better than his cut in episode 57 to boost!!. This is DBS best animated episode yet.
The only thing that I found dissapointing was the resolution being just another generic "Beating brute force with even bigger brute force" that has been plaguing the series since the Z era.
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The Twilight Mexican
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Yeah, it was an awesome episode. Though I somewhat share your disappointment in the manner of victory, the fact that
makes it okay -- especially since
someone other than Goku finally got the win in for the first time in a long while
Future Trunks had also been the one to manage the defeat of Immortal Zamasu via the Mafuba. At least until they realized they had left the ofuda behind at Roshi's place. =P
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Yeah, the episode was an improvement.
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The whole sword thing reminds me of the spirit bomb, but seems like a cheaper victory. I dunno 
. I liked how they got through defeating an immortal god though. If I understood it correctly, anyway, with how the fusion with a mortal ruined the immortality? Anyway, I wonder what happens next .
. I liked how they got through defeating an immortal god though. If I understood it correctly, anyway, with how the fusion with a mortal ruined the immortality? Anyway, I wonder what happens next .
Cloud_S
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Regarding episode 66, I
share the underwhelming feeling of genki-dama sword Trunks slicing Zamasu in half. The main issue I've been having are these insane power-ups for Trunks. A little explanation would be nice... like that blue aura SSJ he obtained out of nowhere. I don't have much beef with Trunks learning a ton of new moves, it's pretty cool that he can learn the Mafuba in no time and preform it without fail. Have to wonder where the story will go from here and if any arc can even match, or surpass the level of awesomeness this one presented. I will miss Zamasu though....
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Yeah, it's going to be tough to follow this arc up. I'd hate to be trying to write the next one. 
I still don't have a problem with
I still don't have a problem with
Trunks's power-ups in this storyline, though. Like I've said before, as a hybrid, his potential is greater than his father's or Goku's to begin with. And it's also refreshing (i.e. way past time =P) someone other than Goku got the win.
I actually liked the Genki Dama Sword, if I'm being honest. It's not the first time a Genki Dama has been used in an alternative manner either (see DBZ movie 7), but this is definitely different from anything we ever saw Goku do with one.
I actually liked the Genki Dama Sword, if I'm being honest. It's not the first time a Genki Dama has been used in an alternative manner either (see DBZ movie 7), but this is definitely different from anything we ever saw Goku do with one.
Lord Noctis
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Looks like the next handful of episode titles have been revealed. Obviously some spoilers are to be found on the other side of the following link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/5dmi7z/dbs_spoiler_megathread_episodes_6771/
https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/5dmi7z/dbs_spoiler_megathread_episodes_6771/
Lord Noctis
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Well fuck. That was actually really dark. Sure, Trunks and Mai are off to another timeline to rebuild their lives, but their world is dead. Those kids cheering for Trunks, Yajirobe, all those humans they fought so hard to protect, that shits all gone thanks to Zamasu. None of its coming back either. Zen-Oh saw to that.
As for Zamasu, lets be clear, this guy won. The reality in which he existed got deleted shortly thereafter, but he won. He accomplished his goal, and there was fuck all the heroes could to to stop him. This fucker is hands down the most powerful and dangerous villain in dragonball history. Not because of his raw power, but because short of erasing reality itself you cannot stop him. Hell, it seemed as if he was on the verge of breaking into the main timeline reality as well, so who knows how far he could have spread if Zen-Oh hadn't dealt with him when he did.
On the other hand, I did find it funny seeing just how fast Goku noped his way out of that situation once he realized exactly what it was he'd set in motion, and I did think it was cute seeing the two Zen-Oh's meeting each other.
Hopefully wherever Trunks settles down he and Mai can enjoy a peaceful life from now on. Kami knows they've earned it.
As a final aside, did anyone else notice that Gohan's hair looked more like it did in his ultimate form? And he seemed to be a bit winded,a lmost like maybe he'd been off training with Piccolo. They did arrive together after all. Maybe he actually is making some progress towards becoming a fighter again, or maybe I'm just doing a bit of wishful thinking. Time will tell, I suppose.
As for Zamasu, lets be clear, this guy won. The reality in which he existed got deleted shortly thereafter, but he won. He accomplished his goal, and there was fuck all the heroes could to to stop him. This fucker is hands down the most powerful and dangerous villain in dragonball history. Not because of his raw power, but because short of erasing reality itself you cannot stop him. Hell, it seemed as if he was on the verge of breaking into the main timeline reality as well, so who knows how far he could have spread if Zen-Oh hadn't dealt with him when he did.
On the other hand, I did find it funny seeing just how fast Goku noped his way out of that situation once he realized exactly what it was he'd set in motion, and I did think it was cute seeing the two Zen-Oh's meeting each other.
Hopefully wherever Trunks settles down he and Mai can enjoy a peaceful life from now on. Kami knows they've earned it.
As a final aside, did anyone else notice that Gohan's hair looked more like it did in his ultimate form? And he seemed to be a bit winded,a lmost like maybe he'd been off training with Piccolo. They did arrive together after all. Maybe he actually is making some progress towards becoming a fighter again, or maybe I'm just doing a bit of wishful thinking. Time will tell, I suppose.
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The Twilight Mexican
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Summarized my own thoughts pretty perfectly there. I have more, though!
Definitely was not expecting all that. They flipped the tables on us pretty brilliantly after last episode, when we were left thinking "Well, that's pretty cool. Kind of too easy in the end, and not really anything that different from the usual way the Big Bads get cleaned up."
That was just ... fucked.
As you said, Zamasu is pretty inarguably the worst (i.e. most successful) villain in franchise history now. He very well may have endangered the whole of the DB multiverse had Zen-Oh not stepped in like the Living Tribunal and deleted that reality.
And you're right: Trunks and Mai are the only survivors of their universe. The new timeline they went to might look just like their old one, but it's not their old one. It's just one that splintered off/was created when Beerus destroyed the other Zamasu.
I never expected this franchise to delve quite so much into the concept of alternate universes. It broached the topic in the most offhand way possible back during the Cell Saga, and then quickly moved away from it, seemingly without intention of ever addressing it again. And when "Dragon Ball Super" finally started fully exploring this route, I wasn't sure if I liked that they were doing it.
I do know now that I like it, but I'm also a tad confused as to the structure of the whole thing. Above, I compared Zen-Oh to Marvel's Living Tribunal, as that's pretty much what he is -- but there's only one Living Tribunal in Marvel's multiverse. He's omnipresent across all universes/timelines. That doesn't seem to be the case here?
They also can't seem to make up their mind whether the world Future Trunks comes from is supposed to be an alternate universe (i.e. one of the 12 universes known to exist previously), the future of the present day Z Warriors' world (Universe 7), or even the future of Universe 10.
We've seen drastic differences between the universes previously -- different deities and such. For example, Gowasu and Zamasu are supposed to be from Universe 10 while Universe 7 seemingly did not have either one of them. Instead, Universe 7 had figures like Grand Supreme Kai, Eastern Supreme Kai and North Kai (the role Zamasu had filled in his universe). But Future Trunks's world had most, if not all of them -- Gowasu, Zamasu, Eastern Supreme Kai, etc.
To elaborate: The anime only briefly mentions Eastern Supreme Kai in Future Trunks's world (when Future Trunks mentions that it was he who shared the information with him about Dabura's petrification attack), but the "Dragon Ball Super" manga shows Kibito and Eastern Supreme Kai die in battle fighting Dabura and Babidi alongside Future Trunks.
Anyway, Future Trunks's timeline apparently had a Beerus as well (an actual Beerus, not just an equivalent to him like Universe 6's Champa) who died when that timeline's Eastern Supreme Kai died (during the battle with Dabura and Babidi in the manga; during Zamasu/Goku Black's reign of terror in the anime). That's the implication of what Whis said in this latest episode -- that a new timeline splintered off when Universe 7's Beerus killed the present day Zamasu of Universe 10, and that he would then go inform this timeline's Beerus that he should seal Zamasu before that timeline's Eastern Supreme Kai died.
That then leaves us to wonder if Future Trunks's world is supposed to be the future of Universe 10, where it's apparent that all these figures existed together. This notion would seem to be reinforced by Beerus having expected Future Trunks's world to change when he destroyed the present day Zamasu of Universe 10.
However, this notion is also seemingly contradicted by the fact Goku Black (i.e. Zamasu of Universe 10 after killing his mentor and taking the Time Ring) traveled to Future Trunks's world/time period, eliminated Gowasu there as well, and then allied with the Zamasu there.
This confusion is still without even getting into how we can have two versions of Zen-Oh. The one who showed up in Future Trunks's world didn't even know who Goku was, so that rather definitively rules out this world being the future of Universe 7.
I just don't know what to do with this mess. A fun, awesome arc this was, don't get me wrong. I just don't know at all what to make of the metaphysics. If anybody can explain it to me, feel free.
That was just ... fucked.
As you said, Zamasu is pretty inarguably the worst (i.e. most successful) villain in franchise history now. He very well may have endangered the whole of the DB multiverse had Zen-Oh not stepped in like the Living Tribunal and deleted that reality.
And you're right: Trunks and Mai are the only survivors of their universe. The new timeline they went to might look just like their old one, but it's not their old one. It's just one that splintered off/was created when Beerus destroyed the other Zamasu.
I never expected this franchise to delve quite so much into the concept of alternate universes. It broached the topic in the most offhand way possible back during the Cell Saga, and then quickly moved away from it, seemingly without intention of ever addressing it again. And when "Dragon Ball Super" finally started fully exploring this route, I wasn't sure if I liked that they were doing it.
I do know now that I like it, but I'm also a tad confused as to the structure of the whole thing. Above, I compared Zen-Oh to Marvel's Living Tribunal, as that's pretty much what he is -- but there's only one Living Tribunal in Marvel's multiverse. He's omnipresent across all universes/timelines. That doesn't seem to be the case here?
They also can't seem to make up their mind whether the world Future Trunks comes from is supposed to be an alternate universe (i.e. one of the 12 universes known to exist previously), the future of the present day Z Warriors' world (Universe 7), or even the future of Universe 10.
We've seen drastic differences between the universes previously -- different deities and such. For example, Gowasu and Zamasu are supposed to be from Universe 10 while Universe 7 seemingly did not have either one of them. Instead, Universe 7 had figures like Grand Supreme Kai, Eastern Supreme Kai and North Kai (the role Zamasu had filled in his universe). But Future Trunks's world had most, if not all of them -- Gowasu, Zamasu, Eastern Supreme Kai, etc.
To elaborate: The anime only briefly mentions Eastern Supreme Kai in Future Trunks's world (when Future Trunks mentions that it was he who shared the information with him about Dabura's petrification attack), but the "Dragon Ball Super" manga shows Kibito and Eastern Supreme Kai die in battle fighting Dabura and Babidi alongside Future Trunks.
Anyway, Future Trunks's timeline apparently had a Beerus as well (an actual Beerus, not just an equivalent to him like Universe 6's Champa) who died when that timeline's Eastern Supreme Kai died (during the battle with Dabura and Babidi in the manga; during Zamasu/Goku Black's reign of terror in the anime). That's the implication of what Whis said in this latest episode -- that a new timeline splintered off when Universe 7's Beerus killed the present day Zamasu of Universe 10, and that he would then go inform this timeline's Beerus that he should seal Zamasu before that timeline's Eastern Supreme Kai died.
That then leaves us to wonder if Future Trunks's world is supposed to be the future of Universe 10, where it's apparent that all these figures existed together. This notion would seem to be reinforced by Beerus having expected Future Trunks's world to change when he destroyed the present day Zamasu of Universe 10.
However, this notion is also seemingly contradicted by the fact Goku Black (i.e. Zamasu of Universe 10 after killing his mentor and taking the Time Ring) traveled to Future Trunks's world/time period, eliminated Gowasu there as well, and then allied with the Zamasu there.
This confusion is still without even getting into how we can have two versions of Zen-Oh. The one who showed up in Future Trunks's world didn't even know who Goku was, so that rather definitively rules out this world being the future of Universe 7.
I just don't know what to do with this mess. A fun, awesome arc this was, don't get me wrong. I just don't know at all what to make of the metaphysics. If anybody can explain it to me, feel free.
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The Twilight Mexican
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This latest episode was some much-needed lighter fare. It was a lot of fun.
Not particularly looking forward to the next episode based on its preview, though, but then I've never been a fan of "Dr. Slump." Perhaps throwing Vegeta in the mix will make things more fun -- I could see him standing in for all the Dragon Ball fans who could give a shit about Slump.
Oh, and I saw
for sale earlier. Pretty cool.
Not particularly looking forward to the next episode based on its preview, though, but then I've never been a fan of "Dr. Slump." Perhaps throwing Vegeta in the mix will make things more fun -- I could see him standing in for all the Dragon Ball fans who could give a shit about Slump.
Oh, and I saw