How Jenova Destroyed the Cetra

AKA
The Engineer
#1
Out of all the things in "The Kids Are Alright", how Jenova destroyed the Cetra is probably the most important thing it included. Because this really puts a lot of what Sephrioth does with Jenova's power into perspective. And really, what happens throughout the Compilation to people with Jenova's... genetic inheritance in them.

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The Kids Are Alright: Chapter 35 said:
There had been an incident where the revival of a dead person had caused the deaths of many. It was Jenova’s doing. Tseng recalled that it was a story he heard from Professor Hojo, who was in charge of the Shin-Ra Company’s Science Department.

“According to records, a long time ago, Jenova almost destroyed the world. The method it used was very clever, indeed. First of all, it took the form of someone important to whomever it wanted to deceive, in order to get close to them. For example: a parent, sibling, friend, or acquaintance. It would also sometimes take the form of a dead person. Jenova had just such a power. It then gained their trust, and influenced them. ‘Somebody bears a grudge against you.’ ‘Somebody wants to kill you.’ Once you start telling people these kinds of things, they start getting suspicious.. And, before you know it, people start fighting. It’s self-destruction, really.”
On the one hand, this really isn't all that complicated...
1) Jenova reads people's minds and figures out who they trust
2) she uses shapeshifting/illusions to look like that person
3) she influences people how she wants to because they trust her
4) most of the ways she influences people makes them distrust other people
5) everyone starts fighting each other
And this is before we ever get into any of the ways Jenova used to her own Cells to turn the Cetra into monsters/copies. Which I'm... more or less going to ignore for most of this post at the moment.

The biggest thing about this is... Jenova is doing this to people who *don't* have Jenova Cells/Tissue in them. They're Cetra... that Jenova is reading the minds of and making herself look like people they trust (or are dead) and then telling them what they need to hear to do what Jenova wants them to do. It's not so much that Jenova destoryed the Cetra, it's that she got the Cetra to destroy each other *for her*. And she doesn't even have physical control over them either.

TKAA uses Kadaj as a showcase of how this works and it's... really freaky to watch him do it. Whether that's by threatening people or reading their minds (and they *know* he's doing it at times) or telling them what they want to hear. People can't even tell it's happening unless they (a) don't know the person Kadaj is Mimicing and so they see the *actual* Kadaj and (b) know he's saying the wrong things. And that... either happens on accident or takes a while to figure out.

Sephrioth does this too at the Northern Crater. Making everyone see what really happened at Nibelheim, making people see him as Tifa, making no one see the *actual* Tifa... the list goes on. The point of Sephrioth doing it at Northern Crater is the same reasion Jenova does it too... to make Cloud doubt Tifa (and Tifa doubt herself). All so that Sephrioth can drive the wedge in further between Cloud and everyone else.

Remake just turns this up to eleven with Cloud seeing illusions... almost everywhere and everyone else getting caught up in large-scale illusions of his at least twice. Remake is... heading very quickly into the territory of making it... more than a bit difficult to figure out what is real and what is not when Sephiroth is around. And that is really freaky.

What I'm most interested in though... is how this information fits into Crisis Core. Because... if Jenova can do these kinds of illusions and mental prodding to facilitate paranoia/suspicion in people who *don't* have Jenova Cells/Tissue in them... what can she do to people who *do*? The crux of Crisis Core revolves around the Nibelheim Reactor... with Jenova on one side of the wall and Sephiroth on the other. And... even in the OG version of the Nibelheim Reactor... we see Sephrioth doing almost exactly what Cloud does when he gets the migraines from Sephiroth (and his own Jenova Cells) messing with him. Crisis Core's Nibelheim ups this to include a very similar sound effect to Cloud's Sephiroth-induced migraines in AC/Remake... as well as very similar cuts to what Sephrioth seems to be "seeing" in his head at the same time as Cloud gets in AC. So... it certainly *feels* like Jenova could be trying to influence and manipulate Sephrioth somehow at Nibelheim. And AC and CC do a pretty decent job at selling the idea that Jenova is *aware* at Nibelheim.

Even other parts of CC give the feeling that this could be happening. From the sound of things, Jenova doesn't trying to manipulate people by making stuff up out of nowhere and trying to make them suspicious and paranoid with that. She can read minds. She knows what people are thinking already... And both Angeal and Genesis have *good reasons* to be suspicious/paranoid of certain things. But those suspicions and paranoia are blown way out of proportion. I can't help but think that maybe Jenova was trying to make them more suspicious/paranoid so that they'd end up siding with her... or fighting each other. Angeal at least admits that he doesn't even know what he himself is thinking at times, and that's... worrying given how many of Jenova's abilities have to do with mental powers...

If all Jenova needs to influence someone is to be near them... and she's been aware this entire time... she could potentially be influencing everyone in SOLDIER... or around SOLDIER for that matter... It's kinda impossible to get away from something that is *inside* yourself after all... And Cloud is... always around AVALANCHE...
 
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#2
One wonders what its motive is in doing that. To get a potential threat to its own existence to destroy themselves? It's an entity without malice; it isn't characterised as enjoying any of this, but more as if it's acting on instinct.
 

Wol

Pro Adventurer
AKA
Dawn Warrior
#3
Here's hoping Chapter 18 is just Jenova fooling us. This information could potentially explain all the insanity that is coming.
 
AKA
Mr. Ite
#4
You conflate “important” with “trusted.” Someone important that causes someone to get close could be a rival, or, say, a mentor gone mad...
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
#5
Even other parts of CC give the feeling that this could be happening. From the sound of things, Jenova doesn't trying to manipulate people by making stuff up out of nowhere and trying to make them suspicious and paranoid with that. She can read minds. She knows what people are thinking already... And both Angeal and Genesis have *good reasons* to be suspicious/paranoid of certain things. But those suspicions and paranoia are blown way out of proportion. I can't help but think that maybe Jenova was trying to make them more suspicious/paranoid so that they'd end up siding with her... or fighting each other. Angeal at least admits that he doesn't even know what he himself is thinking at times, and that's... worrying given how many of Jenova's abilities have to do with mental powers...
There are several things to remember and consider.

Jenova is a malevolent and predatory alien that uses its psychic, shapeshifting and regenerative powers to hunt, kill, and infect other lifeforms so it can destroy planets and survive throughout space. However, the Cetra defeated this creature and by the time Shinra gets their hands on it, it's rendered essentially inactive. Not dead or completely inert, but docile and in a standby-like state.

Even in that situation, its mental powers are subtly at work. The Remake hints at Hojo's sanity slowly being eroded due to prolonged exposure to Jenova as he dedicated his entire life to experimenting and fixating on it.

And then there's what happened to Angeal, Genesis and Sephiroth, as you said. You bring up how all three of them mentally snap as they learn their origin, giving way to aggression, suspicion and paranoia. I believe it's a symptom of sharing the instincts of Jenova, but for Sephiroth, there's also the fact that he was in close proximity to her. More than likely, him experiencing that existential crisis allowed for Jenova to essentially resonate with him, and awaken those instincts within him.

Sephiroth fully inherits Jenova's cunning instincts and abilities, but on its own it more than likely did a little nudging with Sephiroth because they were close to each other. He resonated with her and felt her, hence why he had those fits in his mind.
 

SilverArrow20XX

Lv. 25 Adventurer
#6
Official translation for reference.

When the dead returned, the living were lost in much greater numbers. And it was Jenova's doing. Tseng thought back on something he'd heard from Dr. Hojo, the head of Shinra's Science Department.

"According to the records, Jenova nearly succeeded in destroying the world in the distant past. And the interesting part is how – it was a masterful trick. She deceived people by approaching them in the form of someone dear to them. Parents, siblings, friends and neighbors, the gamut. Sometimes people who had died. This was the nature of her power. And then, once she'd gained the targets' favor, she would manipulate them: 'He hates you. She wants to kill you.' She filled their head with terror and paranoia until sooner or later, fights would break out...and they engineered their own ruin."
 
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wildestdream

Pro Adventurer
#10
The game does not give much information on Jenova, (which in itself should quash the entire "Jenova controlling Sephiroth theory", but some people...) yet in the video which can be accessed from Gast's old home at the Snow Village, Ifalna discusses Jenovas impact on the Cetra in brief. Apparently, the WEAPONS were created by the planet in order to destroy/imprison Jenova, but before they could be used, a few surviving Cetra managed to defeat Jenova and seal her in some sort of rock formation.

As for Jenova's purpose? Again, not much can be discerned from the game script itself, but I'd imagine* that it was simply to find the Promised Land and to summon Meteor. Whether she wished (or even knew how!) to become one with the planet back then, or wished simply to destroy all life on the planet, I won't even hazard a guess at...
 

Sephiroth Crescent

Way Inside of the Pot
#11
She's like a parasite, and parasites look evil, as she does.
defeat Jenova and seal her in some sort of rock formation
Okay, totally unrelated but these two quotes just reminded me (again) of a certain something from FFX (though the second quote I don't remember it being exactly like that).

As for Jenova's purpose? Again, not much can be discerned from the game script itself, but I'd imagine* that it was simply to find the Promised Land and to summon Meteor. Whether she wished (or even knew how!) to become one with the planet back then, or wished simply to destroy all life on the planet, I won't even hazard a guess at...
I'd say it's purpose was to do what Sephiroth tries to in AC, including replacing the Lifestream with the black one?
Using Mr. Planet Junior to crash on Chrono Trigger's also extra-tiny world? :wacky:

About it's malevolance, we'll probably never really know unless SE ever does a game set on the Cetran Age. (yeah... not gonna happen :sigh:)
 
#12
"What I want, Cloud, is to sail the darkness of the cosmos with this planet as my vessel, just as my mother did long ago."

So presumably, Jenova would choke out a planet's lifestream, then use it as a ship to travel to the next planet.
Perhaps she thrives off of consuming lifestreams.
Maybe Meteor is the desiccated remains of the planet she arrived in.
Or maybe it's just a normal nearby asteroid.
 

Sephiroth Crescent

Way Inside of the Pot
#14
It's our favourite Lavos. :mon:

Anyway, even in the remote case they ever make a Cetran Age game, they'd probably make it so Jenova is still mysterious and ambiguous in nature and I'd be fine with it. I like both possible versions, one with a horror-like mysterious creature, and the more standard like a Cloud of Darkness with Ultimecia-like personality traits or whatever would fit.
 
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