If you edited the official FFVII script...

...what would you change and/or add?

Whether it be for a re-release with small tweaks or a full-blown remake, the idea here is that you are in charge of editing the game script. Plus points if you write out the exact dialogue and context (though you are not collecting points for anything, of course, just having fun).

If you want to make big changes to canon scenarios either for the sake of entertainment or more water-tight continuity, that's fine too.


References:
- Main (mostly obligatory) game script
- Incomplete script but with more of the optional stuff

EDIT: The more serious and well-explained your post, the better.
 
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Drax

Pro Adventurer
AKA
Benoist; Captain Highwind
That the man is singularly sick, not plural. Finally.
 
That the man is singularly sick, not plural. Finally.
As you probably know, this already happened for the PC port. Though it sticks in the PlayStation releases, of course, so I guess the wish is valid for the correction to happen even for PSN releases.

I'd add lots and lots of Turk scenes and make them temporarily playable characters, obvs.
I'm curious to know in what context you'd place them though.

Would you make a "Turk Campaign/Perspective" unlocked after finishing the "AVALANCHE/Cloud" mode? Would you have Turk scenes be optionally available like the Active Time Events in FFIX? Or something else?

A Turk Campaign of some sort would be a nice context to reveal inside a remake that Tseng survived. Parts of Episode: Shinra could be shown in a remake, this way.
 
In a different thread I once raised this continuity error.

Cloud asks Cid about the rocket, when first meeting him.
{CID}
“Alright then,
I'll explain it to you.”

“You know Shinra developed
a lot of technological gadgets
during the meaningless war, right?”
“Now it's a Mako company,
but in the old days it
was a weapons manufacturer.”

“Well,
they came up with a Rocket Engine.”

“There was so much excitement about
the thought of going into outer space.
Our dreams got bigger and bigger.”

“They put a major budget into it
and made prototype after prototype!
Finally, they completed Shinra No. 26.”
“They chose the best pilot in Shinra…
no, in the world--me.
I mean, come on.”

“And finally we get to the day of the launch.
Everything was goin' well…”

“But, because of that dumb-ass Shera,
the launch got messed up.
That's why they became so anal!”

“And so, Shinra nixed
their outer space exploration plans.”
“After they told me
how the future was Space Exploration
and got my damn hopes up…DAMN THEM!”

Then, it was all over once they
found out Mako energy was profitable.
They didn't even so much as
look at space exploration.


“Money, moola, dinero!
My dream was just a financial
number for them!”

The bolded part is the worst offender. Thanks to Before Crisis, we know that the failed rocket launch happened four years prior to the original game. Mako was certainly already profitable at this point. The main reason for Shinra becoming "anal" and abandoning space exploration is blamed on Shera in OG, but the nail in the coffin was Mako, according to Cid. This makes no sense in the timeline.

Before Crisis (Chapter 15) doesn't explain in detail why no more rocket launches happened after the failed one in [ν]-εγλ 0003, April 11. During the chapter President Shinra fears the bad publicity that a postponed and/or failed launch will cause, but later at the meeting the only mentioned reason for putting the Space Program on hold is that it is "wasteful". Rufus continues to say that "it will take time to recoup their losses". See video
Why end when seemingly being so close to the finish line? AVALANCHE is not mentioned nor is the fear of more bad publicity a thing we hear about.


One solution would be to simply remove Cid's erroneous line, though that doesn't provide as much context for his line that his dreams was just a financial number for Shinra. In this case, both these lines needs to be removed.
Then, it was all over once they
found out Mako energy was profitable.
They didn't even so much as
look at space exploration.


“Money, moola, dinero!
My dream was just a financial
number for them!”
A shame really, because I like the "money, moola, dinero!" part.

If I was to rewrite but without intruding or assuming too much, maybe something like this?

“They said that space exploration
was 'too wasteful'. It's been 4 years now
and nothing's changed...”

“Money, moola, dinero!
My dream was just a financial
number for them!”

Naturally I approve of a rewrite addressing the timeline as Before Crisis established it. In the Early Material File, it appears that originally the failed rocket launch happened ten years before OG.
 

Farron

If the sky comes falling down
AKA
Hallelujah
Cloud- I love you, I always have since childhood.

Tifa- I love you as well, since that promise we made underneath the stars. No, maybe even before that, when you saved my life like a hero when I tried to find my Mum when she died when I riskily went through Mt Nibel....

THERE

LTD

STRESS

GONE
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
I like the thing with Cid and the rocket. As someone (I think it was Lic) once suggested, to someone like Cid, money was just the means to mankind having the potential to go out and achieve greatness. He didn't think like a businessman, so for the company to have invested so much in these rockets only to suddenly call it quits when they finally had a working model, it must have looked like something major shifted in their way of thinking.
 

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
I'd like more references to Before Crisis, just tie it all together and have it be the compilation edition. So like with Rufus's speech.

Rufus
"Work at Shinra, get your pay. If a terrorist attacks, the Shinra
army will help you."
"It looks perfect on the outside."
"But, we all know it's a lie, cover ups and more terrorists , different faces, same name, same agenda. I do things differently."
"I'll control the world with fear. It takes too much to do it
like my old man."

(He walks to the railing.)
 

Marcus

Consumed By Darkness
I'd give the Turks some more screen time, you see them a lot during disc 1 but tend to die off until one event at the Sunken Gelnika, I would of loved to have a face off with Tseng.
 

SirVival

Pro Adventurer
Aeris should be resurrectable/saveable. Even more crazier idea: maybe the scene should be altered so, that the player gets to choose which character to sacrifice. Only by having Tifa in your party you get to save the whole group...


*Aeris is praying whilst Sephiroth makes his murderous leap*

Cloud: Oh no! Tifa look up there!

Tifa: NOO, Aerisssss!

*the sound of Masamune cutting through boobflesh*

Aeris: Oh my, Tifa you saved my life! Are you allright?

Tifa: Yeah no problem, just a flesh wound. This silicon are sick.
 
On two occassions, before leaving Midgar, we have flashbacks to Cloud remembering things said by Sephiroth.

The first time is in the No.1 Reactor with the following line:
Watch out!
This isn't just a reactor!!
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We only "know" that this line belongs to Sephiroth because a similar line (I'm not sure if it is identical) is found in the Early Material File from the UO. In the final game, this line doesn't appear again, not even in the flashbacks to Nibelheim. If I recall correctly, this is even commented on in the Ultimania Omega.



The second time is after the fall of Sector 7, where Cloud briefly collapses and the following message appears in a black background:
In my veins courses the blood of the Ancients.
I am one of the rightful heirs to this planet!
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There is no identical line matching up with this in the Nibelheim flashbacks either. I reckon it is from an earlier version of familiar scenes, just like with the "This isn't just a reactor" line.


The disconnect between Cloud's spasms and the more "ordered" flashbacks is not without appeal, but I would still vote for a change to make the narrative more coherent. I can see three options...


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Option #1:
Change the two brief flashback lines to those used in the final game's Nibelheim flashbacks.

Replacing "Watch out! This isn't just a reactor!!" is NOT easy. I find no fitting line from the final flashbacks that fit the context of making the player suspicious about why Cloud reacts this way to the mako reactor.

The second one is a bit easier.
"In my veins courses the blood of the Ancients.
I am one of the rightful heirs to this planet!"


I see two possible bits (or retranslated versions of them) to take from the final flashbacks.
A: From the Shinra Mansion.
“The Jenova Project wanted to produce people
with the powers of the Ancients…
Or, the Cetra.”
“…I am what was produced.”

This works because it states the lineage Sephiroth believed he was part of it, but it also doesn't work because the declaration is not powerful or scary in the slightest.

B: From the Jenova Chamber.
“I am the chosen one.
I have been chosen
to be the leader of this Planet.”
“I have orders to take this planet back
from you stupid people for the Cetra.
Unlike option A, Sephiroth's Cetran quality is not explicitly stated (only implied), but at least it holds the ominous declaration of Sephiroth thinking himself to be chosen.

Neither A nor B fit perfectly, which leaves us with...

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Option #2:
Change the Nibelheim flashbacks. This requires a lot more thought, as the discarded pre-release material now has to be re-worked into the flashbacks. I don't want to add or edit too much to the Nibelheim reactor scenarios, because those have already been tampered and revisited enough in Last Order, Crisis Core and Before Crisis.

The Shinra Mansion scene where Sephiroth calls Cloud/Zack a traitor is important, but less iconic. I would extend this scene slightly to fit with both of Cloud's flashback spasms from before the player leaves Midgar.

Sephiroth
“The Jenova Project wanted to produce people
with the powers of the Ancients…
Or, the Cetra.”

Sephiroth
“…I am what was produced.”

{CLOUD}
“Pr…produced!?”

Sephiroth
“Yes.”
“Professor Gast, leader of
the Jenova Project and genius
scientist, produced me.”

Sephiroth
"In my veins courses the blood of the Ancients.
I am one of the rightful heirs to this planet!"


{CLOUD}
“Se…Sephiroth?”

Sephiroth
“Out of my way.
I'm going to see my mother.”

NOTE: I removed the intermittent line by Cloud "How...how did he?" because after Sephiroth's outrageous statement that he is the planet's rightful ruler/heir, I think Cloud's/Zack's closest concern is questioning Sephiroth's sanity, rather than wondering just how Sephiroth was produced.


As for the "Watch out! This is not just a reactor!" line, I am honestly not sure if it matches up perfectly with the version from the UO Early Material File. The Japanese line in the final game is this:
      目をさませ!
ここはただの発電所じゃない!!

The exclamation marks don't appear to fit with the Early Material File, so perhaps what we have are two versions of the same corresponding line. The exclamation marks add a sense of great urgency that simply doesn't fit with the Shinra Mansion scenes, which brings me to our next option...

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Option #3:
Edit BOTH the brief lines flashbacked in Midgar and the final Nibelheim flashback script. Our two anomalies would be edited, then inserted into new parts of the Nibelheim flashbacks.

I'm most keen to edit our first anomaly. Remove the exclamation marks from "Watch out!! This isn't just reactor!" and rewrite it slightly so that it can be worked into the Shinra Mansion flashbacks. While comments on the reactor not being ordinary could be easily worked into the scene where Sephiroth and Zack/Cloud investigate the reactor and the mako pods with the monsters in them, this should only be done as a last resort, seeing as these scenes have already been tampered with enough in the Compilation.
 

Pixel

The Pixie King
make cait sith a human and replace all characters with flunkies
:P

I'd give Cid the line
"Yo, english casting person, I am not a farmer. Get Gary Sinise to do my voice. Also, open your f**king ears, these people can't act. Where's my goddamn tea?"
 
The Honey Bee Inn is a veritable candy shop for new scenarios, reintroducing the scrapped ones etc. But there is one bit that demands change a bit moreso than the rest...

The presence of Reeve's parents in the Lovers' Room.
The room is actually called The Lover's Room in-game, but I prefer to call it the Lovers' Room.

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For those not in the know, this is assumed to be Reeve's parents because of the presence of a Cait Sith in the room (plus the Cait Sith theme is playing) and because the couple has a son who is a department head at Shinra. I can't cite the source, but I recall seeing comments on this site that the connection between Reeve and this couple has been acknowledged in one or more Ultimania books. Correct me if I'm wrong.


So...this is the night just before Sector 7 falls. So approximately one day after this, Denzel crashes Ruvie's window by throwing a Highwind model. Ruvie lets the orphaned Denzel stay at her house. Denzel stays here for the remainders of the original game's timeline, but there is not a single mention of Ruvie's husband (seen in the Honey Bee Inn) in Episode Denzel.

Are we to assume that the husband died on the very night we see the couple together in the Honey Bee Inn? That's one explanation but it is not in the least satisfying. We are not likely to see an edited version of Episode Denzel anytime soon where Ruvie's husband is mentioned, nor is there a proper context in the original game for Reeve to tell somebody that his father just died.

Add to that, the script in the Lovers' Room is very troublesome for FFVII canon.

Script Rips said:
“Hey Grandma.
What's the name of the company
our son works for?”

“Oh, Grandpa.
Did you forget again?”

“…heave…
It's getting worse…”

“It's Shinra, you know, Shinra, Inc.?
It's the biggest company in the city.”

“If it's the biggest company,
it must be something.”

“Yeah.
It IS really something.”
“He's doing well, and he told me that
he's been promoted to department head.”

“Oh…thanks to him we're
able to stay in a room like this.”

First of all...you have to be REALLY senile to forget about Shinra. Second, Reeve has been department head for years, as shown in Before Crisis. Either the 'Grandma' is telling very old news to remind her senile husband, or originally Reeve had only been department head for a short time when FFVII begins.

So I say...axe this version of the Lovers' Room scene. At the very least, remove the Cait Sith model and don't play Cait Sith's theme. If we are going to have the Grandpa character forget about Shinra, at least have the more aware Grandma character remind him that Shinra has ruled the world for a few decades and that they control pretty much everything. Make more comedy out of it, plus exposit more about the FFVII timeline this way.

Again, I vaguelly recall that the oddity of Ruvie's husband not being mentioned after this scene has been acknowledged in the Ultimania books. By removing all associations to Reeve and possibly even removing the couple altogether, this unattractive part of FFVII canon could be fixed.

I honestly think that when Nojima wrote Episode Denzel, he had completely forgotten about both of Reeve's parents staying at the Honey Bee Inn.

Then again, maybe the Lovers' Room scene is only meant to hint and tease at the possibility of them being Reeve's parents but without stating outright that they are. If so, that would leave their relation to Reeve in a sort of "canon limbo" and the incentive to change the scene would thusly be a bit smaller.
 

Ite

Save your valediction (she/her)
AKA
Ite
Yinza said:
Cloud (narrating)
A Mako Reactor was built in Mt. Nibel.
The cold air of the mountains of Nibel. It was no different...

This is a particularly foul translation error, in that it ruins an important piece of foreshadowing concerning Cloud's relationship with the Nibel Mountains (and, to the point, how they figure into his whole memory-chaos-arc). FFVII painstakingly sets up a dialogue convention in which every ellipses signifies an untruth or something left unsaid, to indicate psychological turmoil, so the line should be something to the effect of:

Cloud (narrating)
A mako reactor was built at the peak of Mount Nibel.
The cold air of the Nibel Mountains - it hadn't changed at all...

I would probably replace the %*#@&^$#@*s with actual swear words. Except for "Shi't", that was brilliant.

Other than that, I would try to leave well enough alone. I probably wouldn't be able to help myself, though, drunk on power, and I would try to make the exposition less abrupt and clumsy, and have longer scenes with exposition woven in to the dialogue, but that's a slippery slope. Pretty soon, I would be replacing all the dialogue with my novelization head-canon, and then I would never want to play it again because I would have ruined it, and it CERTAINLY wouldn't be shareable. It would be the same if I tried to play a 'fixed' FFVII wherein Denzel is a PC and Sephiroth has a long "I will never die" speech before and after the final battle (instead of the impossibly badass silence).

The idea, of course, is to tell the story the creators wanted to tell, in the way that they intended to tell it. There are a lot of flaws with FFVII. It wasn't finished. It was translated by someone clearly using only a dictionary and a bottle of whiskey. A re-translation needs to be done, but I don't trust anyone, including myself, to do a half-decent job.

The only way to combat the ruination of FFVII with this method would be a get a group of fans who all disagreed with each other, and every change would be a long debate and dissection of the item, and no change would be made unless it had unanimous support.

Actually, that sounds like a great project! There are fans here dedicated enough to do it, and I think this place has pretty much every fan interpretation possible, from middle-schoolers to 40-somethings, Compilation fans and haters. I'm down if everyone else is.

I'm stoned, though, don't listen to me.
 
I'd give the Turks some more screen time, you see them a lot during disc 1 but tend to die off until one event at the Sunken Gelnika, I would of loved to have a face off with Tseng.

First person shooter mini-game, Vincent versus Tseng, somewhere during their world map wanderings, disc 1.

If Tseng wins, he takes Aerith to his secret lovenest and you have to go on a quest to get her back.

If Vincent wins, Tseng gives the party something useful.

I would like this to be Wutai sidequest No. 3 and take place in the southern part of the island, with additional game screens.

Also there should be a cooking mini-game featuring Tifa and Rude. In the kitchens of the Gold Saucer, after Dio's entire staff walk out because they've only got five days to live until meteor strikes. Or something.
 
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The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
Then again, maybe the Lovers' Room scene is only meant to hint and tease at the possibility of them being Reeve's parents but without stating outright that they are. If so, that would leave their relation to Reeve in a sort of "canon limbo" and the incentive to change the scene would thusly be a bit smaller.

Nope, as your memory suspected, more than one Ultimania has outright identified the couple as Reeve's parents. This was less odd from the Ultimania Omega perhaps, but more so with the 10th Anniversary Ultimania -- since it did so right after talking about Reeve's mother dying in Episode Denzel.

An explanation for the fate of Reeve's dad has never even been attempted.
 

Riruka

Rookie Adventurer
Man, I'd add a bunch of things.

First of all, I'd love to see some of the unused text put back into the game, specifically any part that gives Avalanche and company more character development. The extended scene between Cloud and Jesse at the train monitor, for example. I don't know why they cut the bit about Jesse's motivations. I also don't know why the cut the part on the second reactor raid where Barrett promises the crew sake at Cosmo Canyon. I guess a train on lockdown is an awkward place for that kind of pep talk, but they should have saved the dialogue for elsewhere at least.

Now that I think about it, I'd add the whole giant Sephiroth/Cloud collapses bit back in. It's freaky as hell, and we get some more lore about Materia that's pretty nifty.

I would make the books in the Shinra library readable. The more lore, the better. And speaking of lore, I'd put Sephiroth's dialogue about the origin of summon monsters back in (unused dialogue in the Temple of the Ancients); I mean, that's cool stuff.

Other than that, I always found it fairly disappointing that on your way through Mount Nibel, visiting Jenova's reactor doesn't do anything. It would have been a great opportunity for a sidequest or at least an optional scene of Cloud freaking out. The game is normally so good at making you revisit locations you've seen in flashbacks that this strikes me as something of an omission.

Finally, more Turks. Always more Turks.
 

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
I'd rewrite Jesse so that she was in fact a double agent working for ShinRa (I think that they were originally have her be a spy). The party thinks she dies in Sector 7 but she's in fact a Turk and shows up alive later. (You know what? Maybe she's actually Cissnei, just have her be secretly Cissnei. It would work).

I want this because

A) I ship Cloud/Jesse
B) I really like Jesse and don't want her to die (the girl loves explosives, she's cool)
C) I want more female Turks in the OG and to me it was sort of sad the only female Turk was also the rookie who makes mistakes/is picked on by her older colleagues.
 

Clement Rage

Pro Adventurer
Also there should be a cooking mini-game featuring Tifa and Rude. In the kitchens of the Gold Saucer, after Dio's entire staff walk out because they've only got five days to live until meteor strikes. Or something.

I swear I saw a fanfic once about something like that.

I'd rewrite Jesse so that she was in fact a double agent working for ShinRa (I think that they were originally have her be a spy). The party thinks she dies in Sector 7 but she's in fact a Turk and shows up alive later. (You know what? Maybe she's actually Cissnei, just have her be secretly Cissnei. It would work).

I want this because

A) I ship Cloud/Jesse
B) I really like Jesse and don't want her to die (the girl loves explosives, she's cool)
C) I want more female Turks in the OG and to me it was sort of sad the only female Turk was also the rookie who makes mistakes/is picked on by her older colleagues.

So how would your double agent get away with destroying reactors and not telling her boss where the AVALANCHE base is?

I wouldn't actually change much. Maybe have a better reason why the gang tries to thwart the rocket plan.
 

CameoAmalthea

Pro Adventurer
I heard from someone that Jesse was originally going to be a spy and the cards failed because she intentionally rigged them to fail. I'm not completely sure how this would work?

*shrug*

I agree there should be a better reason to thwart the rocket (I honesty was never really clear on their motivation)
 

Keveh Kins

Pun Enthusiast
S'not so much a script change as a visual one but I would make it my mission to ensure that Cloud, Sephiroth and other SOLDIER members have the original SOLDIER logo on their belts, the one that Deepground has since appropriated. The redesigned one for the compilation has annoyed me since its introduction, I find it very flat and meh. Granted I never took much notice of the original logo until the new one came along.

I'd also have Cloud use the phrase "Let's Mosey" with greater frequency. Don't know if I'd have the heart to change "This guy are sick"
 
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