Is a Dissidia 2 possible if....

[Masamune]

Whatever you say, mon ami. I'm out for the night.

 

[Nikkolas]

Well I do agree with nii-chan. I'd love to see a new game with Yuna vs. Shuyin. Bu I really don't want Square to make a habit out of these games. If there's one sequel, that be best IMO.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Again, why can't there be both? That makes absolutely no sense to exclude the actual main characters and antagonists for each game in Dissidia's sequel. You don't need to exclude anyone to include other characters/villains or showcase them as well. It's not either or. That's pretty much a false dilemma right there.

 

[Alex]

I have no issue with Cloud or Sephiroth actually being there in the game, they are kind of mandatory. Even if the story is boring/played out to death, they can be in the game all they want. There's no need to actually play as either of them so it wouldn't effect my experience of the game at all.

 

[Channy]

I dunno, I would just think that a cast of (13 x 2) x 2 would get really crowded.

 

[Alex]

Good. The Final Fantasy franchise has enough diversity to include a really large roster but still make every character a unique playing experience.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I dunno, I agree with Mako. I understand what Masa is saying and agree about the whole milking part, but when it comes to fighting game series mechanics, it only makes sense to add new characters while keeping the original ones. Sure, a lot of us are tired of seeing Cloud/Sephiroth, but that would just have to be a necessary evil in the case of a Dissidia 2.

I mean, they just can't exclude those two from a fighting game because they're milking them to death (which, they are), that would almost (not quite the same, but almost) like leaving Ryu out of Street Fighter, Paul out of Tekken, etc. They sort of have to be there and we'd just have to suck it up.

And as far as fighting games and stories, well, King of Fighters has an ongoing, overarching plot that rivals FF.

 

[Makoeyes987]

They totally should exclude Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf out of the next SSB game. Nintendo's just milking them to death. We don't need to see them fight each other again and again in another game.

Same for Mario, Luigi and Bowser too.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

That's a bad example to use for me because in my opinion Nintendo is milking the FUCK out of all of those characters.

 

[Alex]

Nintendo is incapable of original content tbf

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well at least you're consistent then

I have no idea why it is wrong for any character to god forbid, make more than one appearance in anything. It's called popularity and its everywhere, in every form of media. From Sonic, to Mario, To Link, to Cloud, to Wesker, to Goku, and any other popular character out there. Every company has a popular character/mascot/creature and its just ridiculous to expect not to see any character more than once in anything.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Of course not more than once, but there's a threshold where enough is just enough. The only ones exempt from this are comic book characters (to a degree), because of the fundamental nature of their storytelling.

 

[Makoeyes987]

What fundamental nature is that? Why are they the exception?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Because of the medium they're presented in, comic books are presented issue after issue after issue after issue, every month, sometimes every week. That, combined with floating timelines makes the medium somewhat of an exception in their longevity.

 

[Nikkolas]

Wesker's being in more than one game was retarded. Excluding REZero of course. But in RE4 and 5, absolute crap. It was more like Capcom resurrected the cow so it could milk it to death again.

And speakng of miling popular creatures, Pyramid Head in the Sh mvie and Homecoming.

This is why popular characters and creatures in more than one game is often a bad thing.

 

[BWAngel]

I think I'd fangasm if they used Shuyin. Seymour doesn't seem like an agile fighter to me, being a snooty old mage. A YunaxShuyin confrontation would be nice, with after her story is finished, she gets a tie in with Tidus somehow..

Zack vs.. Genesis I suppose. Although Genesis wasn't all that villainy...

I think they should do a sequel with supporting characters rather than the main characters.

The Yuna pairing I agree with (I don't even think Seymour could wipe his own ass, let alone fight physically.) But with Zack, he would go against either Genesis or Angeal (I know Angeal is a good guy, but they still had that little confrontation.) They should definitely put Tifa in there probably with Loz. Seifer should be in there with someone (probably Zell.) Oh, Vincent v. Weiss.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Because of the medium they're presented in, comic books are presented issue after issue after issue after issue, every month, sometimes every week. That, combined with floating timelines makes the medium somewhat of an exception in their longevity.

So that could never apply to another franchise or form of media? That seems like such an arbitrary and subjective reason to excuse it. Games, movies, tv shows, etc can all be seen as chapters or issues in a story that continues on an on, month after month, year after year. Franchises change hands, get reinvented, and can have new writers all the time.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

So that could never apply to another franchise or form of media? That seems like such an arbitrary and subjective reason to excuse it. Games, movies, tv shows, etc can all be seen as chapters or issues in a story that continues on an on, month after month, year after year. Franchises change hands, get reinvented, and can have new writers all the time.

Well, to be honest, I was being as objective as I could, because I don't really like comic books that go on forever, either.

Personally, I believe that there's artistic integrity in telling a story and ending it. A sequel or a prequel, or maybe even chapters if the story was originally designed with that intent, but I believe in a story starting and ultimately ending.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well I gotta respect your consistency then

And that means just never seeing them again when its over, forever right?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Yeah. Hell, I'm pretty satisfied with never seeing Hamlet, Winston Smith, or Dr. Manhattan ever again. Their stories have been told, the moral relayed, and their stories have concluded.

 

[Super Mario]

quite frankly, I get the feeling adding new 20 characters and leaving out the original 20 would be risky. Look at SF III for example, shit didn't rise to popularity as much as II because they didn't bring the old characters back, despite good gameplay, it was beaten by King of Fighters and tekken 2(?) or 3. They only used Ryu, Ken and Chun-li for a big come back. I feel just to keep it balanced, we need to bring the oldies back. I'm sure Square will find a decent way to keep the timeline intact without clusterfucking it. Though when I see Nomura, I have doubts...


tbf, as much as I hate to see Cloud and Sephiroth go for round 9000, they should still return to Dissidia 2 along with the others with the addition of another 20 heroes or villains. Without the original line-up to play again it would be, as hitler once said, like paying a hooker for house cleaning.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Look at SF III for example, shit didn't rise to popularity as much as II because they didn't bring the old characters back, despite good gameplay, it was beaten by King of Fighters and tekken 2(?) or 3.

I dunno dawg, Street Fighter 3rd Strike is one of the most celebrated and played (to this day) fighting games ever. There are tons of people that call it the best fighting game ever made.

 

[Super Mario]

3rd Strike was widely panned here because so many of the gamers (childhood friends) in the community missed the oldies of II and in Turbo HD something. They even had drama regarding that before, although it was some shit I didn't care about back then

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I see what you're saying, but that must have been a vocal minority or something. It took a while to catch on, but 3rd Strike is extremely well praised nowadays in the serious fighting game community. They play it in Evo and everything.

 

[Super Mario]

nah man. My azn brothers are the Capcom vs. SNK lot along with most King of fighters series. as far as Capcom products, they loved Rival Schools 1-2 and Alpha 3. They didn't bother with 3rd Strike due to lack of old faces. I heard Chun-Li was included but still... it's some shit I didn't care about




My point is, It might not work, what with the fangirls dying to control Seph AGAIN in Dissidia 2, along with Cloudy fags. Hell I'd be mad if they don't bring back Kefka.