James Arnold Taylor on "the Laugh"

ForceStealer

Double Growth
So Taylor, the voice of Tidus, put up a video going over the infamous scene. He basically says what all of us already know, but the greater we can emphasize this point for all the people who somehow still don't get it, the better. Especially from the source:

 

Claymore

3x3 Eyes
It's not that people somehow still don't 'get it' it's just that:

Jason Tandro said:
Just because you make something intentionally annoying doesn't make it not annoying.

Defenders of the scene seem to keep forgetting this point.
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
Eh... it's been my experience that people don't get it, though. Using this scene as evidence of JAT being a bad voice actor, when clearly he was doing exactly as the story dictated.

I mean, the rest of the cast thought the laugh as annoying and awkward as well. Just look at their reactions when Tidus and Yuna turn around. :monster:
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Tidus is just annoying in general. That scene is no exception, but yeah, it's supposed to be, yada yada. I'm fine with it, always have been, never understood why it's been so singled out. With that said, I hope I never have cause to discuss it again on this forum. :monster:
 

Lex

Administrator
Oh I'm a fool and just came across this and shared it in the HD remaster thrad.

But yeah, glad to see that vid anyway. Pronounciation notwithstanding.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
It's not that people somehow still don't 'get it' it's just that:

Jason Tandro said:
Just because you make something intentionally annoying doesn't make it not annoying.

Defenders of the scene seem to keep forgetting this point.

Except that's very rarely the argument it's used to make. I see it, most often, as an example of why dubs are bad.

Also I like it when he talks about the character in general and it was enjoyable to hear it straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.

@Lex, yeah I didn't feel that it related to the remaster and couldn't find an FFX-general thread. But do you even "New Posts" bro? :monster:
 

Jason Tandro

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Yeah my point was that the scene is annoying, cringe-worthy even. Not that it was pointless to the story or that JAT was a bad actor or dubs are bad or stuff like that. I think it was a poor choice nonetheless, but I'm not going to grab a torch and pitchfork and go "down with voice acting".

Edit: Having watched that video wasn't it a little weird to hear him seamlessly go from natural voice to Tidus voice for the couple of times he did?
 
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Channy

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^ This sorta furthers the idea that people just don't get it.

I mean, you have the people on the one side who don't get it because they say, "Oh, JAT is a terrible actor, the voice/laugh is annoying and jarring and what even was it?" And it's like, no, Tidus is forcing laughter... that's what forced laughter sounds like.

And if it's not that, it's flat out "the whole scene is annoying and cringe-worthy" I don't think is giving it enough credit. And hey, you're entitled to your opinion, not trying to tell you you're wrong but you are :wacky: but how much thought did you give to it? Are you looking at the laugh itself as a single act/dialogue?



In it's entirety, the scene is perfect (imo). It's starts with Yuna, excited to show Tidus that she's been practicing her whistling, and though he's happy for her, he's just had this whole big Sin=Father load dumped on him from Auron. So he's got some shit on his mind. His tone, uncertain. She picks up on it. It totally subverts their natural personalities. He's the happy-go-lucky flirty wanderer; she's the thoughtful and quiet summoner with a duty.

"Wanna scream?" She wants to cheer him up. "Nnngh...." Has always been the epitome of JAT's perfect acting; such a natural, nuanced grunt that people make everyday and it sounds so seamless.

And then Yuna tells him how it's always been for her, and the whole characterization of her comes out in one perfect line "I've learned to practice smiling, when I'm feeling sad, you know." And it just twists the knife in your chest because you can see the heartache and strife she's had to live through.

Tidus gets it too. But she doesn't want to leave it there. So instead, she's going to teach him. And it's awkward. But it's fun. "Next, try laughing out loud." And he does! He's trying to put on a brave face for her when it's been the other way around. He's going to show her that he can buck up and keep smiling when he's feeling down.

And he's doing it. He's laughing so hard that the others are looking at him like he's got Sin-disease again. Yuna sees it; she's embarrassed him. Not what she set out to do.

But he keeps laughing. So she joins in. And before she does, as she takes in air, they share a look that asks "Are we really doing this?" and his answer is "In front of everyone."

And then they laugh. And it's still forced but soon they're roiling in real laughter, trying to compose themselves. And she thanks him. Because she knows the journey's going to be hard but maybe it'll be a little easier with him around to keep her laughing.

The dialogue, the tone, the actions between these two characters and their relationship is possibly the most natural I've seen in an FF game. Because Tidus is a big shot around the girls back home but he sees someone he kinda really likes and he might not be good enough for her, so it makes him awkward. Because after the whole touching moment and with everyone watching, he just brushes her arm. Subtle but physical. And even though they knew everyone was nearby, when they turn around there's still a moment of shock because they'd forgtten; they were in their own little world.

So it's always astonished me, to say the least, when people mention that it's annoying, out of character, bad acting, etc, because it's probably one of the more real moments for these two as they're developing their relationship this early on.
 
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Jason Tandro

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That's a fine play-by-play of the scene, but it could have played out exactly the same without the annoying laugh. Literally it could have been toned down, a fake laugh without being so long, over the top, so annoying. Everything else in that scene is spot-on, perfect. The laugh is not, and that only falls on the writer, not the actors.
 

Kermitu Kleric Katie

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I find it especially annoying when people use it to argue JAT is a bad actor, when that's far from the truth, as he's a very talented voice actor with a wide range of voices. I'll admit one reason I watched the video is I was curious what JAT's regular speaking voice sounds like.

Btw I really like how he slipped into his "Tidus voice" a few times in the video. I feel like it gave it more "oomph" or whatever.
 

The Twilight Mexican

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I was 15 when I played this, got the point, thought it was hilarious, and continue to hold it as one of my favorite scenes in all FF.
 

ForceStealer

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Edit: Having watched that video wasn't it a little weird to hear him seamlessly go from natural voice to Tidus voice for the couple of times he did?

btw I really like how he slipped into his "Tidus voice" a few times in the video. I feel like it gave it more "oomph" or whatever.

My favorite part(s) of the video, easy. I watched them a few times over. When you hear him talk normally you think, "Oh okay, Tidus is just his voice," but then when he actually speaks as Tidus and it is so recognizable and you can tell it isn't quite that simple.

Voice acting has to be the career that I am most fascinated by while simultaneously having no real desire to do it.
 
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Tennyo

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That's a fine play-by-play of the scene, but it could have played out exactly the same without the annoying laugh. Literally it could have been toned down, a fake laugh without being so long, over the top, so annoying. Everything else in that scene is spot-on, perfect. The laugh is not, and that only falls on the writer, not the actors.

Noooo

This scene is perfect just the way it is. I will fight to the death to defend it. :catfight:
 

Claymore

3x3 Eyes
I was 15 when I played this, got the point, thought it was hilarious, and continue to hold it as one of my favorite scenes in all FF.

And it's still one of my favourite scenes in the game.

So it's always astonished me, to say the least, when people mention that it's annoying, out of character, bad acting, etc, because it's probably one of the more real moments for these two as they're developing their relationship this early on.

Noooo

This scene is perfect just the way it is. I will fight to the death to defend it. :catfight:

You guys are crazy. The Yuna 'bed hair' scene, the return to stand with Kimarhi and fight Seymour, the underwater sex scene (you know they did it!), and everything in the finale - there are a ton more perfect moments in the game that solidify both the two characters and the cast. But that one? ... Eh. I'll just never understand it. :hohum:
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
All those scenes are great. You don't have to pick either or. They all work together. :monster:

but the underwater scene is slightly awkward to watch
 

RedFFWolf

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You guys are crazy. The Yuna 'bed hair' scene, the return to stand with Kimarhi and fight Seymour, the underwater sex scene (you know they did it!), and everything in the finale - there are a ton more perfect moments in the game that solidify both the two characters and the cast. But that one? ... Eh. I'll just never understand it. :hohum:

I guess, for whatever small amounts of bonding they had before that scene, this was the first scene Yuna and Tidus came close on a deeper level. Deeper because Tidus was not what Yuna expects: she sees him properly down for the first time, and one of the first things she does is say "wanna scream?" with a half-laugh [and she's all cheery about her whistling skills beforehand too]. Where not even the scream can help, she appreciates how down he is by opening up a little about her thoughts on her role, and that laughing scene follows where it now Yuna can help him through [like she realised it was her turn, seeing how she asks to see what he can do (smile and laugh)], just as she needs him to see this through ("a journey full of laughter", as she says afterwards). In short, I suppose, there for each other.

If you found your way through that mess of brackets, I know that was a bit of guesswork of the breakdown of the scene, but I can't help but wonder had the directors thought similar, just as you watch the way the scene is fully played out. [That, and Channy explained the scene itself so well]. There's just this greater subtlety I tend to appreciate than some of the other scenes, but I can't deny how much I love the Yuna "bed hair" scene :D (but it's just not as pivotal).
 

Flintlock

Pro Adventurer
Okay, I know I said I didn't want to discuss this again, but in a group therapy session today one of the therapists said, "Sometimes it's good to force yourself to laugh, even if you don't feel like it. After a while you'll actually be laughing." What are the chances? :P
 
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ForceStealer

Double Growth
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's my favorite scene or anything. But people misunderstanding it - or, at least misrepresenting it has become far more annoying to me than the scene itself ever was.
 

Channy

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Yes, ~destiny~.

Now let's all laugh together.

AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH

(truthfully, there's a part of me that wants to record everyone on TLS taking a pass at that scene. :wacky: )
 

Jason Tandro

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(truthfully, there's a part of me that wants to record everyone on TLS taking a pass at that scene. :wacky: )

And out of something horrible, something amazing can take place.

Like Little Caeser's and their pretzel pizza.
 

Tennyo

Higher Further Faster
Little Caesar's pretzel pizza was not an amazing thing. :closedmonster:

But recording people at TLS doing the laugh scene could be. :monster:
 
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