Japanese Game Makers 5 Years Behind

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Capcom developer says TGS showed "everyone's making awful games," Lost Planet 2 was "too Japanese" to appeal in the West.

The last decade has seen the balance of power in the gaming industry shift Westward. American company Microsoft carved out a beachhead in the console wars, while developers like Scotland's Rockstar North and California's Infinity Ward have been responsible for phenomenally successful series like Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty.


Inafune thinks the Japanese gaming industry has serious problems.
The trend has not been lost on Japanese game makers. Square Enix president Yoichi Wada kicked off the 2008 Tokyo Game Show by likening Japanese publishers to heavy smokers that won't change their habits until a doctor gives them a diagnosis of terminal cancer. This year's Tokyo Game Show played host to a similarly glum assessment of the Japanese development community, this one from Capcom managing director Keiji Inafune.

Speaking with The New York Times, Inafune said, "I look around Tokyo Games Show, and everyone's making awful games; Japan is at least five years behind." He was particularly critical of game designers who find success in a genre and then stick to their established formula, saying that approach no longer works.

Those are some seriously harsh words but...

....That fucker's right.

And Christ, EVEN WADA GETS IT! That's saying something. However, you'd think Yoichi Wada would do some smart shit with S-E after saying something so profound. Kinda weird there.

Read this article and share your thoughts. Do you agree, disagree? If you agree, what do you think it is, that's lacking in current Japanese game development? What is it, that they have missed?
 

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This guy is just saying the same shit he did last year. Then tooting Capcom's horn when their shit sucks a lot worse than their fellow developers. Resident Evil 5 didn't have a single original idea amongst its mediocre campaign, and ripped off at least 3 other games throughout, including RE4.

FFS Kojima said this exact same shit.
 
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Hisako

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I wouldn't say 5 years, that's a bit harsh.








Probably 3 or 4, give or take a few quarters.










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Okay, so I think the Japanese gaming industry is stagnating pretty badly, but I think once the Japanese consumers start getting tired of their conservative ideas, more and more big name developers will wake up and smell the roses. It's safe to say pretty much all the big names are/have been/likely will be victim to this sort of stagnation. Nintendo? Still whoring out on their core franchises. Capcom? The same. Namco? Not really doing anything much either. Konami, exactly the same.

For most of these developer companies their titles for the past couple of years have pretty much solely been sequels/games of a franchise established yonks ago. They're the companies that need to be setting a proper standard.
 
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And Christ, EVEN WADA GETS IT!

No he doesn't. I mean, he perceives the problem, but his solution is to stifle creativity at best and simply throw his arms up and conclude that Eastern games are for Eastern players and Western games for Western players at worst.

He doesn't get shit.
 

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No he doesn't. I mean, he perceives the problem, but his solution is to stifle creativity at best and simply throw his arms up and conclude that Eastern games are for Eastern players and Western games for Western players at worst.

He doesn't get shit.
Considering Square has started pushing Western games in the Japanese market more, it doesn't seem like even Wada listens to what Wada says.

Though they're starting to do some stupid things with that as well. Like releasing two different versions of Call of Duty: Black Ops (subtitled and dubbed) a month apart, instead of just doing what I'd assume was easier and cheaper and just put both into one version. But I don't know if they even bothered to dub the other foreign games they've released, so I guess even that kind of stupid step is in the right direction :awesome:
 

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idk, I still feel that Atlus is doing a pretty good job of realizing what gamers want and putting out games accordingly (Persona 3 Portable, I'm looking at you). I mean, Catherine even looks pretty good, from what I've seen.

But it does seem like most of the bigger companies just up and decided not to be original anymore and once their shit lost appeal across the ocean, they blamed it on a new market they can no longer control. Instead of, you know, actually coming up with new shit that people would enjoy, they just bawwwed about it and turned up their noses. The Japanese game market could totally do well if everyone just got their heads out of their asses AND MADE GAMES.
 

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You know, statements like this put me in a bind because while I agree Japanese game makers are stagnating/trying the same formula and all that jazz, I really wish they'd just do the same shit they did way back in 1995-2000, 15 fucking years ago. The more new shit Japan tries, the less I like them.
 

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No he doesn't. I mean, he perceives the problem, but his solution is to stifle creativity at best and simply throw his arms up and conclude that Eastern games are for Eastern players and Western games for Western players at worst.

He doesn't get shit.
This is the issue.

Read the article, and how he identifies the problem.

Capcom developer says TGS showed "everyone's making awful games,"
Oh that's great they are self aware: oh wait, there's more to the sentence?
Lost Planet 2 was "too Japanese" to appeal in the West.
They want to Westernize. Westernization isn't the problem. Well, it is with with being able to be financially successful, but not necessarily for great games.

When we talk about every other artistic medium, art, novels, music, television, hell comic books, we can respect that they each craft it differently to respect their culture. But not with videogames. If it's videogames we can't have that.

This is them solving the problem

"But now, compared to the others from capturing the Western market we are not doing really well, so we gotta change, you know, our scheme or style, which means the producer has gotta be much more on the PR side and the management side, rather than just in creating, creating, creating."
Japanese love Japanese games just fine. They kind of like Western games, but they're fond of their own style. Too bad that videogames cost so much to make that they can't keep up.

Only Nintedo Wii shit seems to be making an impact. This is the signal we are sending. Not that we want great old school rpgs, or more character development. No, we want huge grand scale FPS, and more wii sports.

This revelation that the company heads are having isn't going to save their industry, it's going to make it worse.
 
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Only Nintedo Wii shit seems to be making an impact. This is the signal we are sending. Not that we want great old school rpgs, or more character development.

Unfortunately I can imagine that the Wii stuff (well, the stuff closest to Nintendo) is going to stagnate in the next few years as well. The problem lies in the fact that once a selling winning strategy is found, companies are just going to stick to it. So what do we have now on the Wii? A fistful of fantastic Wii games floating on top of a layer of fetid uninspired motion-control opportunists. Honestly, I go into EB Games these days and I would buy perhaps 1/20 of the stuff on the returned/preowned Wii games shelf. They've been returned for a reason. :monster:

It actually seems to be a lot of what Sony is churning out that ends up having some of the best variety and bold ventures, but I might be wrong, of course. I'm still trying to fathom how I extrapolated that idea.
 
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Lost Planet 2 was "too Japanese" to appeal in the West.
Um. No.

Lost Planet 2 was a shitty game that tried too much to be like Monster Hunter with guns and failed at it.

Note Monster Hunter is HEAVILY japanese but very successful in the west, as is Metal Gear.

Contrary to popular belief, scores of westerners love "japanesey" games. It's hilarious that they'd rather blame the culture than admit they made a crap game.

Starcraft II is heavily westernized(just like the original) but has worldwide appeal, same as World of Warcraft.
 
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