Just a kid...

[Andalegogo]

There is at least---AT LEAST---one more installment left in the Compilation after ACC and the novellas, and we can be pretty certain that the kids from FF7 and AC might play important roles in the future. I'm just wondering if any of you have any thoughts about what kind of characters Denzel, Marlene, and "Moogle Girl" (does she have a name?) might grow up to be.

Cloud's childhood as an envious grump made him a bit of a social outcast, which adversely impacted his development as a man. Tifa's mother's death, and her subsequent fall from Mt. Nibel seem to have resulted in her making the decision to become a stronger person and enrolling as a student of Zangan's. Angeal grew up poor, but embraced his principles after learning about the importance of simple virtues from his adoptive father. Genesis and Sephiroth grew up in rather elitist environments where they were granted Shinra's higher education and taught to strive to be the absolute best.

One can draw conclusions from the likes of Rufus and Lazard, who grew up in dysfunctional/broken families; Aerith, who grew up on the run and in the slums; Reno, who (iirc) grew up around gangs in the slums; Zack who had a simple life in the country, just wanting to make friends and help people.

Hmm....so if anyone's got any thoughts about how Denzel/Marlene/Moogle Girl might turn out, propose something!

Might be a while before we get any *new* news.

 

[Max Payne]

how about they stay as they fucking are?

 

[I Am Not Me]

There's another installment after ACC? Whut?

 

[Restless]

I want them to stay kids...I guess when they are older they'll end up as nice do-gooders, considering the people who are parenting them. If they appear more, that's fine, but I don't see why they get to be the main characters. Plus it'd feel a bit cliché, with Denzel being like Cloud, Marlene being like Tifa, and Moogle Girl being like Aerith (or Marlene as Aerith and Moogle Girl as Aerith). They have to have pretty different personalities or else I'd get that vibe.

There's another installment after ACC? Whut?

Secret ending of DoC. There has to be one, or else we'll never get a true ending.

 

[Andalegogo]

There is no installment after ACC, but the developer's say they'd like to continue some time in the future.

And though I can't say I like the prospect of Denzel becoming a main, I can't say it's impossible either. He's definitely there for a reason.

As Restless said, DoC just left us hanging.

 

[Max Payne]

And though I can't say I like the prospect of Denzel becoming a main, I can't say it's impossible either. He's definitely there for a reason.

Yeah, and that reason was to add another dimension to AC, and he's served that purpose.

It's stupid to force him into any other role, and whatever comes from DoC's ending, is going to be recent. Genesis is not going to wait for 6 years to pass for Denzel to be all grown up to go through with his plans.

 

[Andalegogo]

Well, Genesis DID wait around for a good four years while Sephiroth threatened the planet twice, and he also didn't do much beyond that when Deepground was trying to invoke Omega WEAPON.

Sephiroth spent about five years in the Lifestream before he became a threat in FF7, and then two after that to recover in AC.

Hojo remained harmless until three years after FF7 when his cyber-fragments reunited.

Six years for a new threat to finally emerge doesn't seem so farfetched. But I'm not really asking everyone if that stuff will or will not happen. My question is already assuming the children have had enough time to grow into their teens.

Assuming as much, how might the kids develop? I think Denzel looks like he'll be handful. He has a powerhouse like Cloud as his primary role model, and seems like a bit of a hothead, no? Case of Denzel shows that he's eager to start helping/fighting to restore order to the world despite his age. He just seems like he's gonna be a brash young guy. He's already courageous, but with some skill I can see him developing a reckless persona.

I guess this whole thread is fated to be stuffed with wishful thinking....

 

[Max Payne]

Genesis has ALREADY surfaced.

He's done his waiting.

 

[Frostwave]

I would very much like to NOT see SE put a spotlight on Denzel or Marlene. And especially not Moogle Girl.

I guess when they are older they'll end up as nice do-gooders, considering the people who are parenting them.

Because they would most likely turn out like this, and that would bore me. It would just be pointless.

I don't dislike them at all, but I don't care about adult Denzel and Marlene, really, since I can't see SE doing anything truly interesting and original with them.

 

[Dee]

I gotta agree with the ni-...ah, I mean Dacon on this one. Why the fuck do we need to milk this franchise anymore than it already has? I mean, sure, I know people actually like Denzel, and although he's cute and all, ENOUGH ALREADY. God Almighty, I've been thinking this after seeing how big a disappointment Advent Children was (in terms of plot), but then we got On the Way to a Smile, Last Order, Dirge, Before Crisis (oh wait, we didn't get that one) and Crisis Core. Really, Square? Really? Half of that crap wasn't even comparable to the standards of the original, so I hope they don't make it something big. If they want to continue this, I'd say keep it on the level of OtWtaS and leave the rest up to fan fiction.

 

[Andalegogo]

Heh, the milking's gonna be going on for a few more years, looks like. SE's got no plans to stop with FF7 anytime soon. To date they've just decided to take a little break from it before they start playing around with ideas again. I really can't wait, and thus create topics like this.

And Genesis having surfaced already doesn't say much, Dacon. He says himself that there's still a lot of work left to do, and we have no idea how long it'll take to get that work done, especially since we have no idea what the nature or the scope is of this next big threat.

 

[Max Payne]

And Genesis having surfaced already doesn't say much, Dacon. He says himself that there's still a lot of work left to do, and we have no idea how long it'll take to get that work done, especially since we have no idea what the nature or the scope is of this next big threat.

He spent the last few years wherever, he's not going to show up, snatch Weiss' body and disappear for 4-6 fucking years.

That makes no goddamn sense, and the creators already said they want to do more with Cloud, whatever happens next, he will be involved, and they're not going to shoot his age up further to do so.

 

[Cthulhu]

I wouldn't mind another installment on the series as long as they'd put it on something I could actually play / could be arsed to do.

ACC isn't a very strong installment story-wise (hell, it's plain confusing), but it's a good movie / installment in itself. I personally don't think however that them kids would make good main characters in any new title.

Kids are ghey and should gtfo. If they made a game with Denzel as the main character, it'd be the VERY old concept of 'omg im jsut a kid but i cna be a hero!1!1!!1'.

Then there'd be someone asking 'WHAT DOES THE SCANNER SAY ABOUT HIS POWER LEVEL??', and it'll be over nine thousaaand.

 

[Andalegogo]

He spent the last few years wherever, he's not going to show up, snatch Weiss' body and disappear for 4-6 fucking years.

That makes no goddamn sense, and the creators already said they want to do more with Cloud, whatever happens next, he will be involved, and they're not going to shoot his age up further to do so.

The fact that Genesis said he was gonna protect the planet and then sat silently through several chaotic, worldwide, planet-endangering events doesn't make any sense either, but that shit happens in the Compilation.

And why do people think Cloud WON'T be involved in Denzel's or Marlene's future? Of course he's going to be there since he is the one guy everyone looks to for hope.

I'm really finding the negativity here kinda funny tho. XD

Everyone's scrambling crazy for "NO MORE DENZEL!!!!!" >:o

 

[wayfarer]

Cloud, Tifa, Barrett, and the others work their hardest to make sure that the children don't have to go through the pain and suffering that they had. Advent Children's whole plot was to protect the children from loss of innocence, and the obvious physical threat that Kadaj posed. I think the more appropriate thing to do is for them to not have to fight. After a whole generation went through so much suffering, the next should really prosper.

 

[Max Payne]

The fact that Genesis said he was gonna protect the planet and then sat silently through several chaotic, worldwide, planet-endangering events doesn't make any sense either, but that shit happens in the Compilation.

Genesis sealed himself away. It's obvious that he was just recently released. Who knows why he didn't wake up sooner, but he had an excuse for a while.

Don't you see how nonsensical it would be for him to just show up and disappear for another laughably long time so Denzel would be grown up enough to face him? There's absolutely no reason for it. None.

And why do people think Cloud WON'T be involved in Denzel's or Marlene's future? Of course he's going to be there since he is the one guy everyone looks to for hope.

If Denzel and Marlene become the central characters, then clearly the others will take a backseat to them.

I'm really finding the negativity here kinda funny tho. XD

Everyone's scrambling crazy for "NO MORE DENZEL!!!!!" >:o

It's a difference of opinion bub, not "negativity" the whole point of Cloud and co. mission is to save the next generation from going through the same shit. Denzel being the generic kid who grows up to be an action hero spits in the face of that.

 

[wayfarer]

It's a difference of opinion bub, not "negativity" the whole point of Cloud and co. mission is to save the next generation from going through the same shit. Denzel being the generic kid who grows up to be an action hero spits in the face of that.

I literally said the EXACT same thing.

 

[Max Payne]

Lawl, I was typing it when you replied

 

[Frostwave]

I'm really finding the negativity here kinda funny tho. XD

Everyone's scrambling crazy for "NO MORE DENZEL!!!!!" >:o

I happen to like Denzel, but like it's been said here before, he has served his purpose. Perhaps if things had been different, Denzel as a main character wouldn't sound silly and counterproductive. As things stand, though...

 

[Andalegogo]

Don't you see how nonsensical it would be for him to just show up and disappear for another laughably long time so Denzel would be grown up enough to face him? There's absolutely no reason for it. None.

Denzel wouldn't have to be grown up enough to face anyone, just at an age where personal character is more defined. And from Crisis Core we can deduce that there is a low probability that Genesis will end up being the main villain, seeing as how his goals are to help rather than harm.

And again, Genesis simply states there's a lot of work to be done. How could this new threat suddenly be imminent so soon after Hojo's defeat? Doesn't Case of Denzel take place about a year after DoC? At least we know that by that time there's still no sign of a planetary threat. All we know is that Genesis is still working behind the scenes.

If Denzel and Marlene become the central characters, then clearly the others will take a backseat to them.

Dude, Denzel is already an important character in AC, and Cloud didn't take a back seat to him at all. There's nothing preventing the developers from giving all of them meaningful roles in a new story.

It's a difference of opinion bub, not "negativity" the whole point of Cloud and co. mission is to save the next generation from going through the same shit.

Of course you have an opinion on Denzel's role in future installments, and it's clearly negative---you are against it. I never said your views were wrong in any way, man. I just happened to hit a subject that isn't received very positively 'round here is all.

And yeah, I see the point about Cloud and co. fighting to protect the next generation. Maybe they've safeguarded the planet for all eternity and everyone gets to live in peace for the rest of their lives. But maybe they didn't and the populace has to deal with one more fucked up crisis.

I'm assuming the latter, and don't think Denzel and Marlene are going to be ignored.

 

[Tetsujin]

The thing is, Case of Denzel pretty much concludes along the lines of Reeve saying that Denzel shouldn't fight and there's other things he can do. Which is to just be a kid.
It wouldn't be right to now make Denzel into the next superhero or give him some other active fighting role.

So I'm thinking him and Denzel will take on the same roles they took on in AC. If they're given any importance at all.

 

[Max Payne]

Denzel wouldn't have to be grown up enough to face anyone, just at an age where personal character is more defined. And from Crisis Core we can deduce that there is a low probability that Genesis will end up being the main villain, seeing as how his goals are to
help rather than harm.

It's not about genesis being a villain, it's about his appearance being a portent of bad things to come. Whatever's coming is soon, which is why he's showing up now, while he can still do something about it.

It'd have to be like 4 years down the road for denzel to be old enough to be even capable of combating a threat, because any other age would be bullshit kiddies beating monster crap that has no place in FF7.

And again, Genesis simply states there's a lot of work to be done. How could this new threat suddenly be imminent so soon after Hojo's defeat? Doesn't Case of Denzel take place about a year after DoC? At least we know that by that time there's still no sign of a planetary threat. All we know is that Genesis is still working behind the scenes.

A year after is fine, any longer that 2 years is a stretch. Denzel still won't be in any position to play a important role in whatever coming battle.

Dude, Denzel is already an important character in AC, and Cloud didn't take a back seat to him at all. There's nothing preventing the developers from giving all of them meaningful roles in a new story.

Denzel is a minor character in AC, he's not a central character like Cloud or Tifa, he plays a supporting role.

Of course you have an opinion on Denzel's role in future installments, and it's clearly negative---you are against it. I never said your views were wrong in any way, man. I just happened to hit a subject that isn't received very positively 'round here is all.

It's only negative in the sense that I think it's just a very, very bad idea.

I'm assuming the latter, and don't think Denzel and Marlene are going to be ignored.

They won't be ignored, but they won't suddenly be superpowered warriors able to take on world threatening dilemmas. They'll be the people being protected and entrusted with the future being fought for by their predecessors.

 

[wayfarer]

The thing is, Case of Denzel pretty much concludes along the lines of Reeve saying that Denzel shouldn't fight and there's other things he can do. Which is to just be a kid.
It wouldn't be right to now make Denzel into the next superhero or give him some other active fighting role.

Totally forgot about that. After growing up in such a harsh environment as a child, living in the slums by himself and such as well as living with previous war heroes, he would of course want to fight and prove to others that he is just a man as those people around him. However, I think he'll learn that part of growing up is to choose not to fight.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Can people please stop with the "Denzel is the new Cloud/main character/hero" crap already? The creators have already stated that they'd want to work with Cloud as the main character again in the Compilation and that his story and development isn't over since he's still relatively young.

Denzel will have further development but the Compilation of FFVII isn't some trans-generational epic. They've never hinted that. Denzel has a childhood to live. He has to grow up, and the story has never been about thrusting warriorhood or some shit onto him.

I'm sure the orphans will appear and have a role, but this leap in logic of Denzel somehow becoming "the new Cloud" or Cloud's replacement is getting old, really fast.

 

[ForceStealer]

ACC isn't a very strong installment story-wise (hell, it's plain confusing)

It is? Didn't you watch it in Japanese without subs? Might that have something to do with it. I thought AC did a great job explaining itself this time around.