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[Ⓐaron]

Or maybe because the Staff has changed their minds since then and feels that you shouldn't have it back? Oh no, circumstances change, what a travesty. I don't know, and I mean that honestly since I gave little input during the matter.

I'm honestly at a loss for what could have caused them to change their minds, since I've done absolutely nothing as a non-staff member that you haven't also done as a staff member. I mean, yeah, I raise lots of complaints with the way things are run. But that's because a lot of people have complained in my presence about the way things are run. If staff are really that afraid of having a dissenting opinion on staff, then that really says quite a lot about what has happened to this place.

No, you don't define what unprofessional is universally because you're one dude with one opinion, which means quite a bit since every member counts, but like I said, at this point you've been whining about nothing for quite some time and it's getting tiring.

I never claimed to define what unprofessional is "universally." However, I do have a number of people I'm in repeated contact with who agree with me that the conduct I've called out is unprofessional. In any case, my complaints, as they always have been, revolve around double standards. It seems rather apparent that you don't care about those, which is why you would dismiss them as "whining about nothing."

You seem to have this thing going on with you that everyone should listen to you and what you say because you said it.

No, I have this thing going on that everyone should listen to what I say because lots of people generally agree with what I say and have explicitly told me they rely on me to express their opinions. Nice try though.

My opinion isn't the only one that matters. I am one member of the Staff, and never claimed to be anything more than that. I have never claimed (and don't even try to say that I have) to supercede Mako, Yopy, Tet, Ryu, or even you and Dacon when you were a part of Staff.

Very nice, but I never claimed otherwise, so I'm not sure why you're bothering to bring it up.

What you see is what you want to see, you have this selective viewpoint where some things are okay and some things are POWER ABUSE. You don't like me. Or like my Staffing. Or whatever. Fine. But you have no right to demonize everything I do or say just because I'm saying it. And you also have no right to continually shit up the place with your whining just because its technically not against the rules.

I'm not demonising "everything you do or say" because it's you. Indeed I've given you kudos for things I thought you were doing well. When people have a shitty attitude though, I call it out. It just happens that you display a shitty attitude more frequently than other staff members, so I call you out more. If Mako or anyone else on staff told someone they weren't friends with to eat dicks, I'd call them out on it exactly as I called you out, though since none of them have displayed a recurring pattern of doing such things, I wouldn't address them as though they had a habit of it.

If you feel this place is so bad, either do something about it, work towards it, or get the fuck out. That's all any of us here can do, including myself. Make a topic about it in Site Suggestions. You're welcome to!

I'm trying to do exactly that, I even offered to help with more technical stuff which I'd slacked off on towards the end of my time on staff, but people closing threads and dismissing my complaints as "whining" isn't exactly helping matters.

And incidentally, you managed to type a response of several paragraphs that completely evaded the points I made. Again: I saw a double standard, I called it out. Does that really equate to "whining about nothing" now? If you want to improve this place, you can start with actually reading members' complaints, and addressing them honestly.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I'm honestly at a loss for what could have caused them to change their minds, since I've done absolutely nothing as a non-staff member that you haven't also done as a staff member. I mean, yeah, I raise lots of complaints with the way things are run. But that's because a lot of people have complained in my presence about the way things are run. If staff are really that afraid of having a dissenting opinion on staff, then that really says quite a lot about what has happened to this place.

Well, one reason could be was that you were continually meddling in moderation affairs when you were explicitly asked not to. More than a few Staff members were a little more than irritated! But like I said, I do not know the full reasons.

No, I have this thing going on that everyone should listen to what I say because lots of people generally agree with what I say and have explicitly told me they rely on me to express their opinions. Nice try though.

That means very little to me. Let people speak for themselves. As far as I'm concerned, your word has the weight of your word alone.

I'm not demonising "everything you do or say" because it's you. Indeed I've given you kudos for things I thought you were doing well. When people have a shitty attitude though, I call it out. It just happens that you display a shitty attitude more frequently than other staff members, so I call you out more. If Mako or anyone else on staff told someone they weren't friends with to eat dicks, I'd call them out on it exactly as I called you out, though since none of them have displayed a recurring pattern of doing such things, I wouldn't address them as though they had a habit of it.

I don't get this attitude of 'you can only joke around with your friends' thing of yours. You've said it before. I personally can go back and forth taking the piss with complete strangers if it's just friendly banter. You however have this 'FRIENDS ONLY RULE' when it comes to saying anything that wouldn't be fit for Sesame Street. Sorry, I don't operate by your subjective standards on how to joke around with people.

Very nice, but I never claimed otherwise, so I'm not sure why you're bothering to bring it up.

Neither here nor there, so that is fair enough.

I'm trying to do exactly that, I even offered to help with more technical stuff which I'd slacked off on towards the end of my time on staff, but people closing threads and dismissing my complaints as "whining" isn't exactly helping matters.

I closed the thread (and invited you to start another one at that) because the previous place wasn't the right place for it. And yes, I am not the only person who feels you have been whining. You seem to have this attitude (and maybe in real life, I don't know) that centralized power is inherently abusive that to me, seems to border on anarchism.

And incidentally, you managed to type a response of several paragraphs that completely evaded the points I made. Again: I saw a double standard, I called it out. Does that really equate to "whining about nothing" now? If you want to improve this place, you can start with actually reading member's complaints, and addressing them honestly

What double standard? I read the complaints, and don't agree with all of it. I don't have to. If you want to present something specific to me, I have time and I will gladly do so.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Well, one reason could be was that you were continually meddling in moderation affairs when you were explicitly asked not to. More than a few Staff members were a little more than irritated! But like I said, I do not know the full reasons.

I was "continually meddling in moderation affairs" because staff were continually displaying double standards and, even after the double standards were made apparent, refusing to correct them. This is exactly the pattern of behaviour staff has displayed after I stepped down; the only apparent difference has been that now there is no one to correct it.

In any case, this wouldn't explain why staff would have changed their minds, since I was told I could have my position back after all of those incidents had already occurred. Also, it's worth pointing out that all disagreements in staff were purely business, and in every case agreements were reached in the end.

That means very little to me. Let people speak for themselves. As far as I'm concerned, your word has the weight of your word alone.

Most people don't feel it's worth bothering to type out their opinions if someone else has already expressed them. Do you really expect people to type out "I agree with Aaron" now? Seems like a waste of a post.

I don't get this attitude of 'you can only joke around with your friends' thing of yours. You've said it before. I personally can go back and forth taking the piss with complete strangers if it's just friendly banter. You however have this 'FRIENDS ONLY RULE' when it comes to saying anything that wouldn't be fit for Sesame Street. Sorry, I don't operate by your subjective standards on how to joke around with people.

No, but TLS has repeatedly employed those standards when it comes to comments like "eat a dick." That's the part of this that you seem to be missing.

Oh, I'm sure I could find something, but that's neither here nor there.

I might have in staff, but I always kept those disagreements private (unless other people brought them public) because I fucking hate that shit being aired in public.

I closed the thread (and invited you to start another one at that) because the previous place wasn't the right place for it. And yes, I am not the only person who feels you have been whining. You seem to have this attitude (and maybe in real life, I don't know) that centralized power is inherently abusive that to me, seems to border on anarchism.

The fact that I border on anarchism is supposed to come as a shock to you? Er, did you ever bother reading any of my posts before?

Centralised power doesn't always lead to abuse. Unfortunately, the way it's being exercised here does strike me as innately abusive, which likely has occurred because there is no system in place to keep staff accountable to members. I have suggested a couple of systems which could help to reduce that in the past, but staff didn't seem particularly open to the ideas at the time so I didn't bother making much more of it.

What double standard? I read the complaints, and don't agree with all of it. I don't have to. If you want to present something specific to me, I have time and I will gladly do so.

People have been warned for "jokingly" flaming people who didn't take the joke well. I don't have links to specific instances anymore, because I'm no longer on staff; but the fact that you're allowed to do this with impunity as a staff member, while other people were warned for exactly the same conduct, is objectively a double standard. There is no way around it, it is not a matter of opinion, it is fact.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I was "continually meddling in moderation affairs" because staff were continually displaying double standards and, even after the double standards were made apparent, refusing to correct them. This is exactly the pattern of behaviour staff has displayed after I stepped down; the only apparent difference has been that now there is no one to correct it.

It was still considered to be very irritating and counterproductive. In fact, making sure you don't do this was one of the proposed stipulations to you being on Staff again. But like I said, I do not know the full details, so I don't really have the right to comment further than that.

Most people don't feel it's worth bothering to type out their opinions if someone else has already expressed them. Do you really expect people to type out "I agree with Aaron" now? Seems like a waste of a post.

Like I said, that means very little to me. Your word has the weight of just that, your word. Considering that everyone else is free to post their opinion as we are, the whole 'voice of a million people' thing doesn't fly with me.

The fact that I border on anarchism is supposed to come as a shock to you? Er, did you ever bother reading any of my posts before?

Honestly, and I mean no offense, not really. I understand you are interested in politics, but even though I am very interested in the subject in real life, I haven't participated in such discussion here as of yet.

Centralised power doesn't always lead to abuse. Unfortunately, the way it's being exercised here does strike me as innately abusive, which likely has occurred because there is no system in place to keep staff accountable to members.

You know what, here's what gets me. In many, many forums, the administration could have, and probably most would have, told you to fuck off, locked the topic, and said site would have kept on rolling with most of the members satisfied. Hell, some of the biggest, most successful forums in the world run off this principle. Consider all of us lucky that you even get to have this back and forth.

No, but TLS has repeatedly employed those standards when it comes to comments like "eat a dick." That's the part of this that you seem to be missing.

People have been warned for "jokingly" flaming people who didn't take the joke well. I don't have links to specific instances anymore, because I'm no longer on staff; but the fact that you're allowed to do this with impunity as a staff member, while other people were warned for exactly the same conduct, is objectively a double standard. There is no way around it, it is not a matter of opinion, it is fact.

Then let's change the rules, instead of attacking me. Any rule where you can't friendly tell someone to eat dicks in General Fuckery needs to be addressed, stat.

 

[Ⓐaron]

It was still considered to be very irritating and counterproductive. In fact, making sure you don't do this was one of the proposed stipulations to you being on Staff again. But like I said, I do not know the full details, so I don't really have the right to comment further than that.

I considered it very irritating and counterproductive that staff would refuse to rectify double standards after they were clearly pointed out. But to be honest, I don't really care about being on staff anywhere near as much as I care about the removal of double standards from staff. The only reason I even really want back on staff at all is because I think I could help implement steps that would go some way towards removing those double standards, but if staff are willing to take steps towards removing them without putting me back on staff then I really doubt I'd even do anything as a staff member.

And yes, I do think decentralising staff authority somewhat would help substantially. This place doesn't need to be made into a complete democracy, but it's been proven that when more oversight is afforded to members in this community, members are happier. The period of ACF's history in which drama was least prevalent was the period in which members were afforded the most input into how the board was run - namely, towards the end, before Sinfinity was placed into power.

Like I said, that means very little to me. Your word has the weight of just that, your word. Considering that everyone else is free to post their opinion as we are, the whole 'voice of a million people' thing doesn't fly with me.

People are pretty lazy and can't always be bothered to express their opinions when they can just hit the thanks button instead (and sometimes they don't even do the latter). This is news to you? However I'll encourage them to start speaking up for themselves then, since staff don't seem to be willing to take my word for it.

Honestly, and I mean no offense, not really. I understand you are interested in politics, but even though I am very interested in the subject in real life, I haven't participated in such discussion here as of yet.

Even with that aside I would've thought my username would be a giant clue, what with the "Anarchy Is Order" symbol in it.

You know what, here's what gets me. In many, many forums, the administration could have, and probably most would have, told you to fuck off, locked the topic, and said site would have kept on rolling with most of the members satisfied. Hell, some of the biggest, most successful forums in the world run off this principle. Consider all of us lucky that you even get to have this back and forth.

In many, many forums, the administration would have actually listened to the complaints of the members and altered their approach rather than allowing it, but brushing it off as "whining". Pointing out what other forums do isn't really a constructive way to address complaints. If there are other approaches out there which have been proven to be more constructive at handling criticism, then not even considering those approaches, as seems to be the case here, is counterproductive.

Then let's change the rules, instead of attacking me. Any rule where you can't friendly tell someone to fuck off in General Fuckery needs to be addressed, stat.

Yop was pretty adamant that they not be changed. To be honest if I had absolute control over this board I'd remove all flaming rules from Fuckery, and outright spam to be allowed, but that's obviously not going to happen and probably wouldn't be particularly popular with a fair segment of the member base, so I'll just settle for having the rules consistently enforced.

 

[CK]

I'd just like to say MOG that I could be a better moderator on this forum than you can be. And that's not a good thing.

 

[Joker]

I don't get this attitude of 'you can only joke around with your friends' thing of yours. You've said it before. I personally can go back and forth taking the piss with complete strangers if it's just friendly banter. You however have this 'FRIENDS ONLY RULE' when it comes to saying anything that wouldn't be fit for Sesame Street. Sorry, I don't operate by your subjective standards on how to joke around with people.

Uh, no. That's not how it works. "Just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean that someone else won't". I'd quote the actual rules/ToS here, but I can't find the buggers. Point being that that is not right. If someone that I despise (Sephiroth, for example) decides to be Mr. Clever and try to engage in the type of banter/clowning on one another at each other's expense that many people engage in, I have every right to report him and have that behavior stopped, because it's NOT okay with me. And with that in mind...

People have been warned for "jokingly" flaming people who didn't take the joke well. I don't have links to specific instances anymore, because I'm no longer on staff; but the fact that you're allowed to do this with impunity as a staff member, while other people were warned for exactly the same conduct, is objectively a double standard. There is no way around it, it is not a matter of opinion, it is fact.

This is absolutely correct. I can think of one such situation myself. The infarc has expired, but the fact that I was infarc'd for calling Dacon 'retarded' in a thread is proof. Dacon was on staff at the time. Now, ask yourself - is Dacon going to care? No. It was a joke, and we all knew it. Who, then, infarc'd me? MAKO.

Now, I'm no rocket scientist, but it's my understanding that forum power structure goes admin -> moderator -> member. People in positions of power should, and have a responsibility to, lead by example. If an admin has a problem with me engaging in friendly banter with someone at each other's expense, how is it that multiple regular members having an issue with how a moderator conducts himself is a total nonissue?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

People are pretty lazy and can't always be bothered to express their opinions when they can just hit the thanks button instead (and sometimes they don't even do the latter). This is news to you? However I'll encourage them to start speaking up for themselves then, since staff don't seem to be willing to take my word for it.

Like I said, do that. 'Thanks' and all that means little to me. If you want how you feel to get across, speak up. If people are too lazy to speak up for themselves than why should anyone consider what they have to say? I mean seriously. That's how it is in real life too.

In many, many forums, the administration would have actually listened to the complaints of the members and altered their approach rather than allowing it, but brushing it off as "whining". Pointing out what other forums do isn't really a constructive way to address complaints. If there are other approaches out there which have been proven to be more constructive at handling criticism, then not even considering those approaches, as seems to be the case here, is counterproductive.

No, sometimes whining really is whining. There is no rule that states 'every complaint/suggestion made by a member is irrevocably valid and must be listened to with great intensity'. If your 'complaint/suggestion' is considered whining, then that's life, buddy, on forums, in relationships, at work, anywhere! The best thing you can do is fall back and reconstruct your argument. Every suggestion is not going to be honored or considered, no matter who makes it, you, me, the Pope, whatever! That's life!

And no, I'm not making a direct comparison to other forums, I'm just saying just to say it. SomethingAwful bans members for pretty much breathing wrong. It runs a really fucking tight ship, and its by far one of the biggest and most successful forums on the internet. You really can do everything from get car advice, get together a team for building a website, buying stuff, fucking anything. It's an example of a popular website with centralized power where the administration takes no shit. I was just saying! Nonrelated comment, I know.

Yop was pretty adamant that they not be changed. To be honest if I had absolute control over this board I'd remove all flaming rules from Fuckery, and outright spam to be allowed, but that's obviously not going to happen and probably wouldn't be particularly popular with a fair segment of the member base, so I'll just settle for having the rules consistently enforced.

Even then, the rules of General Fuckery ARE relaxed and you'd be hard pressed to form a serious argument that my response of 'eat a dick' to someone asking me for money was flaming. Give me a break, man.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I'd just like to say MOG that I could be a better moderator on this forum than you can be. And that's not a good thing.

Which is exactly why you're a moderator.

Uh, no. That's not how it works. "Just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean that someone else won't". I'd quote the actual rules/ToS here, but I can't find the buggers. Point being that that is not right. If someone that I despise (Sephiroth, for example) decides to be Mr. Clever and try to engage in the type of banter/clowning on one another at each other's expense that many people engage in, I have every right to report him and have that behavior stopped, because it's NOT okay with me. And with that in mind...

But I have no antagonistic relationship with whoever I address the 'eat a dick' comment to. And keep in mind that this is after I was being hit up for money. Which, because I was wearing my common sense hat, took as a joke. Because the forum was...

*drumroll*

General Fuckery.

 

[Dashell]

So I can post whatever I want in General Fuckery and not get in trouble?

 

[Ⓐaron]

Like I said, do that. 'Thanks' and all that means little to me. If you want how you feel to get across, speak up. If people are too lazy to speak up for themselves than why should anyone consider what they have to say? I mean seriously. That's how it is in real life too.

No, sometimes whining really is whining. There is no rule that states 'every complaint/suggestion made by a member is irrevocably valid and must be listened to with great intensity'. If your 'complaint/suggestion' is considered whining, then that's life, buddy, on forums, in relationships, at work, anywhere! The best thing you can do is fall back and reconstruct your argument. Every suggestion is not going to be honored or considered, no matter who makes it, you, me, the Pope, whatever! That's life!

It's pretty funny that you told me off for declaring my opinion "universally," when you're literally doing exactly the same thing I did.

At any rate, if you're going to dismiss the complaints of quite a few members as "whining," then it's your loss and it's no wonder the forums' traffic has dwindled so much.

And no, I'm not making a direct comparison to other forums, I'm just saying just to say it. SomethingAwful bans members for pretty much breathing wrong. It runs a really fucking tight ship, and its by far one of the biggest and most successful forums on the internet. You really can do everything from get car advice, get together a team for building a website, buying stuff, fucking anything. It's an example of a popular website with centralized power where the administration takes no shit. I was just saying! Nonrelated comment, I know.

SA is a popular forum because of the front site, and because it's had a long time to build its member base. A forum that didn't already have such a gigantic front site behind it that run along those rules wouldn't be as popular as SA is. Again, SA isn't a valid point of comparison for this community; ACF is, since it contains many of the same members, and the most success ACF ever had at eliminating drama occurred when staff was most willing to take members' ideas into consideration.

Even then, the rules of General Fuckery ARE relaxed and you'd be hard pressed to form a serious argument that my response of 'eat a dick' to someone asking me for money was flaming. Give me a break, man.

There's nothing in the description or rules that says the flaming rules are relaxed, and I'm almost 100% certain that similar posts have been warned before. Again, though, I can't check, because I no longer have the power.

 

[Ⓐaron]

But I have no antagonistic relationship with whoever I address the 'eat a dick' comment to.

Yes you do. You're a staff member, and I'm a member who has just offered an honest criticism of your approach as a staff member, and you told me to eat a dick. How is that not antagonistic?

 

[Joker]

But I have no antagonistic relationship with whoever I address the 'eat a dick' comment to. And keep in mind that this is after I was being hit up for money. Which, because I was wearing my common sense hat, took as a joke. Because the forum was...

*drumroll*

General Fuckery.

Let me be perfectly clear, then.

*I*

OMEGA

The person whom the first 'eat a dick' comment was directed at

have a problem with YOU telling me to eat a dick, because we are not on any kind of terms that should imply that that is OK. Because it's not. I don't find it amusing, funny, or cute.

The fact that it's GF has nothing to do with the fact that you've insulted me, then refuse to just cop to the fact that you did it and try to make yourself out to be totally blameless and a martyr.

tl;dr version - You were being antagonistic towards me, and are now denying that.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

It's pretty funny that you told me off for declaring my opinion "universally," when you're literally doing exactly the same thing I did.

At any rate, if you're going to dismiss the complaints of quite a few members as "whining," then it's your loss and it's no wonder the forums' traffic has dwindled so much.

Funny, I only see you and about three or four others with any real sort of position on this, a relatively small number. If you want to claim there are more, then they had better start representing themselves. Even then, like I said, we have no obligation to honor every single request, or agree to every complaint the memberbase makes.

There's nothing in the description or rules that says the flaming rules are relaxed, and I'm almost 100% certain that similar posts have been warned before. Again, though, I can't check, because I no longer have the power.

What I'm arguing is that whether or not jokingly telling someone to 'eat a dick' in jest is flaming. It's not flaming just because someone interpreted in a less than pleasant way. There has to be malicious intent or disruption, the situation at hand, and there's also context to consider. This is how enforcing any rule works.

 

[Joker]

ALSO

Direct quote from GF rules thread:

1. No flaming of any kind. If you're good friends with someone, then I'm cool with a little friendly jabbing at each other.

4. I want to stress the importance of being civil and not alienating anyone, we're all here to have fun, and the serios bizness shit has gotten waaaaay out of hand as of late. If someone stirs shit, let me know as soon as possible.

Funny, I only see you and about three or four others with any real sort of position on this, a relatively small number. If you want to claim there are more, then they had better start representing themselves. Even then, like I said, we have no obligation to honor every single request, or agree to every complaint the memberbase makes.

So what you're saying is that because we [may[ be in the minority, our opinion doesn't matter? I seem to recall you taking a rather different stance when it was you in this position just a few days ago.

 

[CK]

What I'm arguing is that whether or not jokingly telling someone to 'eat a dick' in jest is flaming. It's not flaming just because someone interpreted in a less than pleasant way. There has to be malicious intent or disruption, the situation at hand, and there's also context to consider. This is how enforcing any rule works.

If that's the case take half my infractions away.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Yes you do. You're a staff member, and I'm a member who has just offered an honest criticism of your approach as a staff member, and you told me to eat a dick. How is that not antagonistic?

Let's review.

Omega said:

Do you guys want me to send you money or something?

Please don't offer things, then,if you're not willing to follow through. That sort of thing is pretty dishonest, and that's not a good trait for staff members.

I told him to eat a dick. Jokingly, because considering that this was about sending everyone money, there's no way that it could be taken seriously.

Then you said:

Flaming members who offer honest criticism is also generally not regarded as a desirable trait in a staff member

In response, I told you to 'eat dicks' as well. Not only did I make a flame originally (because it was a joke in response to what had to be a joke. Was I seriously being lambasted for not following through on sending everyone in the forum money in General Fuckery?)

So yeah. Common sense and context says that this whole exchange was fucking juvenile to begin with.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Funny, I only see you and about three or four others with any real sort of position on this, a relatively small number. If you want to claim there are more, then they had better start representing themselves. Even then, like I said, we have no obligation to honor every single request, or agree to every complaint the memberbase makes.

No you don't, but if you don't want more people to start leaving the forum than already have done so then then you'd be well advised to take member complaints into account. I remember that when I was on staff it was pretty regular for this place to get 700+ posts a day, now it's rare for the place to get 300. Now granted some of that is undoubtedly to do with the novelty of ACC having worn off, but even then staff can't absolve themselves of all responsibility.

What I'm arguing is that whether or not jokingly telling someone to 'eat a dick' in jest is flaming. It's not flaming just because someone interpreted in a less than pleasant way. There has to be malicious intent or disruption, the situation at hand, and there's also context to consider. This is how enforcing any rule works.

Omega and I have already provided context. You've completely ignored that, which is the only way you can claim you haven't broken the rules and weren't being antagonistic. "It's General Fuckery" doesn't fly. It's never flown before, and the rules of Fuckery make it perfectly clear that flaming is not acceptable.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

So what you're saying is that because we [may[ be in the minority, our opinion doesn't matter? I seem to recall you taking a rather different stance when it was you in this position just a few days ago.

Of course not. I just don't want to see any claims of 'quite a few members', because I don't see quite a few of anyone. I just see a few.

If that's the case take half my infractions away.

Make a case for them and let the Staff collectively discuss it.

 

[CK]

too much effort cba etc etc.

 

[Joker]

Let's review.

Omega said:



I told him to eat a dick. Jokingly, because considering that this was about sending everyone money, there's no way that it could be taken seriously.

Then you said:



In response, I told you to 'eat dicks' as well. Not only did I make a flame originally (because it was a joke in response to what had to be a joke. Was I seriously being lambasted for not following through on sending everyone in the forum money in General Fuckery?)

So yeah. Common sense and context says that this whole exchange was fucking juvenile to begin with.

Difference here is your response is way out of line.

The fact that it started as a joke is extremely irrelevant.

 

[Ⓐaron]

told him to eat a dick. Jokingly, because considering that this was about sending everyone money, there's no way that it could be taken seriously.

Then you said:

In response, I told you to 'eat dicks' as well. Not only did I make a flame originally (because it was a joke in response to what had to be a joke. Was I seriously being lambasted for not following through on sending everyone in the forum money in General Fuckery?)

So yeah. Common sense and context says that this whole exchange was fucking juvenile to begin with.

By the rules of TLS, which I apparently know better than you do, it doesn't matter whether the exchange is "juvenile" or whether your response is "in jest." What matters is whether the post is a direct flame and whether the target is offended by the response. Both criteria were satisfied by both of your responses. There was nothing in the original post of that thread, or in Omega's or my posts, that was in violation of any rules. You responded to each of us by insulting us directly, which is in violation of rules. I fail to see what is so difficult to grasp about this.

 

[Makoeyes987]

This shit flinging needs to stop, now.

MOG, quit antagonizing and lashing out at members when they start pissing you off. If it starts getting heated and you know you're at your wits end. Just stop replying and let someone else handle it. There's no need to get worked up and shit over this.

Everyone else, quit the MOG gangbang. The GF thread was obviously a stab at him, and anyone with eyes can see that. Him responding that way in kind wasn't right, but it was clearly there to provoke him.

The shit flinging is getting old and ridiculous. Just stop.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

No you don't, but if you don't want more people to start leaving the forum than already have done so then then you'd be well advised to take member complaints into account. I remember that when I was on staff it was pretty regular for this place to get 700+ posts a day, now it's rare for the place to get 300. Now granted some of that is undoubtedly to do with the novelty of ACC having worn off, but even then staff can't absolve themselves of all responsibility.

The reasons why activity has been going down is speculation on your part and little more.

Omega and I have already provided context. You've completely ignored that, which is the only way you can claim you haven't broken the rules and weren't being antagonistic. "It's General Fuckery" doesn't fly. It's never flown before, and the rules of Fuckery make it perfectly clear that flaming is not acceptable.

Your context to me is completely ridiculous because I don't even see where I was flaming. Since we're at it, perhaps I should have closed the thread from jump street for trolling. I mean hitting me up for money and lambasting me when I quite obviously don't deliver? Poor form.

 

[Makoeyes987]

MOG, just stop replying.