Sequels that aren't as bad as people say

Charles Xavier

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Title is self-explanatory. Are there any sequels that you actually like that the public audience usually don't? I'll give a small list of some of mine:

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The Land Before Time II: Say what you want about the other countless sequels, but anyone who enjoyed the Don Bluth movie should at least give the second movie a chance. Even though the animation and voice cast are different (excluding Cera), the story is surprisingly decent. No, I'm not saying this is in any way better than the first movie. The second does suffer from unmemorable music numbers, but it's still charming and delightful. I won't give away the plot here, but it's definitely something that kids can relate to.

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Terminator 3: First and foremost, may I just say that I think T2 is overrated. Then again, I don't hate the movie for any reason. The special effects are outstanding for its time, let alone the bad@ss T-1000. But the story itself was overlong and the ending felt like a recycle of the first film. I find T3 as a movie that isn't as overblown as T2 but not as involving as T1. It's entertaining and Arnie is still surprisingly kick-@ss. I know some fans complain that the series should have ended in T2 and this sequel was needless. Well yeah, maybe, but you have to admit that T3 actually had the balls to give us an incredibly morbid ending, as opposed to a typical happy-clappy-Hollywood ending.

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Halloween III Season of the Witch: I think James Rolfe summed it up pretty well in his review from Cinemassacre. And just to repeat, the major turn-off for the audience of this film was that Michael Myers wasn't in this. Yeah, but so what? The creators tried to take a different approach to the Halloween series and perhaps they did it rightfully so. I mean, where could you possibly go with Michael Myers after seeing him burned to a toast in H2? SOTW takes a unique story involving the Celts and some surprisingly gruesome deaths but without excessive gore. John Carpenter's music track is digitally horrifying and memorable, though the story does have its share of plot holes, which happen mostly near the end of the film. But anyway, forget anything about Michael Myers and look at this film as a stand-alone. It's really not that bad.

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Dragon Ball GT: Not a movie, but I thought it's worth mentioning. I had no idea that Akira Toriyama wasn't involved in this production until later. But regardless, it's not a bad follow-up. It can't live up to DBZ's glorious reputation but I don't see why people have to pan it so much. The fights are still fun to watch as usual, but I guess the main problem (for me at least) would be the not-so memorable villains. Baby just didn't live up to Frieza, Cell or Majin Buu for me. the series didn't really stand out for me until it came to the Super 17 saga; I was glad to see Androids 17 and 18 kicking @ss again and watch all of my favorite DBZ villains in the spotlight once more (even though GT did make Frieza and Cell look kinda stupid...if anyone remembers what happened to them in their fight with Goku in hell). GT is not as innovative as DBZ, but it's still worth a watch in my opinion.

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Alien vs. Predator movies: Okay, I know these are often frowned upon, but I feel that a LOT of the negative criticism these movies get stems from the fans' nitpicking...which is perfectly understandable with me (speaking as an AvP fan myself), because let's face it. People LOVE to complain. We thrive on negative criticism all the time because we enjoy tearing apart movies and beating the living Christ out of them. Its fun. And the AvP movies were a perfect target for that.

So what do I think about these movies? Well, regardless that I may be speaking amongst a minority here, I actually don't think the movies are all that bad. They're nothing near great, that's for certain, but they're pretty decent. Yeah, I know that the scripts are silly, the dialog's laughable at times and the characters are complete cardboard, but did I care? No. All I cared about in these movies was to see the Aliens and Predators fight each other. And to some degree, that's what I saw, though I still feel Fox could have done much better with them. I think people take these movies FAR too seriously than needed. Try to look at them as B-movies and maybe you'll enjoy them better.

(Trivial note: Perhaps one good scene from the first AvP we can all agree on was the last fight between the Alien Queen and the Predator near the end. It was great to see the Queen back in action again, after being so cheaply killed off in 'Resurrection').
 

Master Bates

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That name, "James Rolfe", on your sig reminds me of Disney's Pocahontas 2 and that's a sequel. But I don't remember much about that and I honestly just don't give a flying fuck so... :awesome:

I don't know, man. I like Terminator 3 and most people I know liked it too. But then, I don't read movie reviews so I have no idea that it was so disliked. Gives me this "Transformers 2 and 3" feeling. For the others in your list, I'm partial about (except maybe DBGT). It didn't have the original "Dragon Ball magic" when I watched it, at least to me.

And because I just recently rewatched my Pixar collection, I guess I have to say "Toy Story 3". I saw some people complaining about the ending, saying it's sad and whatnot, but I don't think so. It was nostalgic and haunting --- a perfect ending to a good story --- and I wouldn't want it to end any other way. And if they (Pixar) even decide to create another sequel for TS3 (God forbid), despite being a huge fan of it, I will not watch that atrocity.

Apparently, I'm a guy that likes cartoons but who gives a fuck? :awesome:
 

Celes Chere

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All of the Toy Story movies are awesome. :'D

Some of mine:
-Lion King 2
-Aladdin and the King of Thieves
-The second Matrix
-The Bourne movays

and that's all I can think of atm lol.
 

Master Bates

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All of the Toy Story movies are awesome. :'D/QUOTE]

Ikr? It's a favorite of mine. :awesome:

Some of mine:
-Lion King 2
-Aladdin and the King of Thieves
-The second Matrix
-The Bourne movays

and that's all I can think of atm lol.[

lol I love those movies you mentioned, but I still love their originals more though.
 

Makoeyes987

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You had me until you got to GT, Charles. That shit needs to burn in a fire. There's a reason most shit refuses to acknowledge it exists :monster:
 

Charles Xavier

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This is a silly thread.

I had a feeling Batman would say that. :monster:

Here's another one:

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Airplane II: I actually had a good laugh at this one and I'm surprised people didn't like this. Why? The jokes are just as funny and witty as the first film and all the actors are gung-ho. Despite that this film has different producers and a different director, I didn't feel the movie was any different itself. (Gotta love that Nixon mask joke :lol:).
 
X-Men 3

Yes, I know, they completely raped the characters, and the story is fucking retarded (they have a mutant who cant control her powers and will kill everyone and a mutant whos power is to nullify other mutants powers. The fuck did they never meet up?) but I still enjoy watching it. It's dumb fun. Plus I enjoyed Magnetos reaction to Charles being killed.
 
Land Before Time sequels were awesome. All of them. Or well I think I stopped watching around 8 or 9 but still I LOVED THEM ALL.

Also I thought The Mummy 2 was pretty great. Well...

 

Hisako

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Ghost in the Shell: Innocence

idk I hear people slagging the film on occasion, telling me it's pretentious and will never stand up to the reputation of the first film

I honestly think that's something in its favor. It functions on its own as a great standalone film, Kenji Kawai did an absolutely smashing job (which I think he did better than the first movie) and there's just something about the atmosphere and palette which I absolutely love over the sharp gloom of the original.

It is true; the first Ghost in the Shell set a huge standard, and I don't think Innocence surpassed it, but Innocence was a fantastic film in its own right.

And it wins in terms of creepiness:



or more specifically,

 

Alessa Gillespie

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second season of victorian romance emma was still really good even tho it wasnt in london anymore
 

Octo

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Ghostbusters II. Yeah, its not as good as the original, but its still really funny.

Alien 3: Yeah I know, its pretty weak (I'm not counting Ressurection here becuse that was fun, but like a fucking cartoon) but I think Alien 3 is closer in spirit to the original. Aliens was fun, but not as scary.

Also, Alien 3 was butcherd in the editing process, I watched the Assembly Cut and its far superior, makes much more sense and gives depth to some of the other characters that were just gore fodder.

Also Also, It kind of annoys me when some people criticise it for being a miserable or depressing film. Its about an eldritch abomination, with ACID FOR BLOOD, that LAYS EGGS INSIDE YOU AND THEN YOU DIE LIKE A SWINE. What did you expect?

And also, I understand how it's upsetting to have invested in the characters of Ripley, Newt and Hicks only to have them die. But how else was that going to resolve itself? Weyland Yutani would have probably had them killed for even knowing about the Alien, so their days were numbered I think.

:monster:
 

Alessa Gillespie

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also i liked return to oz and thought it was pretty kawaii and rescuers down under

clerks 2 wasnt terrible and tron legacy was pretty cool, even tho i mostly like it for the soundtrack
 

DrakeClawfang

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Mummy 2 and the Matrix sequels. I liked the Anti Villain approach they gave to the previously one-dimensional Imhotep, and the Matrix sequels explored the world of the Matrix in a way the original just didn't, which made them much more engaging and involving.

And while not really "sequels" I don't get the hate for the Star Wars prequel trilogy, IMO it was no worse than the first film (raises his shield in preparation for thrown food)
 

Ryushikaze

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Ghost in the Shell: Innocence

idk I hear people slagging the film on occasion, telling me it's pretentious and will never stand up to the reputation of the first film

I honestly think that's something in its favor. It functions on its own as a great standalone film, Kenji Kawai did an absolutely smashing job (which I think he did better than the first movie) and there's just something about the atmosphere and palette which I absolutely love over the sharp gloom of the original.

It is true; the first Ghost in the Shell set a huge standard, and I don't think Innocence surpassed it, but Innocence was a fantastic film in its own right.

Both first two GITS movies were kind of naff in their own ways, basically the first took half of the original manga and made a movie out of that, and the sequel took the other half, adapted it, and made a movie of that.

second season of victorian romance emma was still really good even tho it wasnt in london anymore

Wait, people didn't like the second half of Emma?
But that's when some of the best characters show up.
 

Winter

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also i liked return to oz and thought it was pretty kawaii and rescuers down under

clerks 2 wasnt terrible and tron legacy was pretty cool, even tho i mostly like it for the soundtrack

rescuers down under > original rescuers

i think clerks 2 is absolutely hilarious. it may not be quite as charming as the original but it's definitely funnier than most shitty romcoms on the market.

other people have mentioned lion king 2, that movie was pretty cute. i appreciated the music a lot, it was loads better than most disney sequels.

rebuild of evangelion isn't nearly as popular as the original but it's really pretty and worth a watch.
 
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Alex

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rebuild of evangelion isn't nearly as popular as the original
It really should be though.

The Matrix Reloaded was a pretty piss poor movie, but Revolutions was really damn good imho. I think it just gets a bad rap because its so far removed from the tone of the first movie.

Also, TRON Legacy, though your mileage may vary with that one.
(both films were pretty much the same anyway, I just liked the sequel more)
 

Catherine

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I think all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies are amazing :awesome: plus a lot of Disney sequels like The Lion King II, The Little Mermaid II or Mulan II.
I will agree that the originals are the best most of the time but, that doesn't mean there are not good sequels out there.
 

Celes Chere

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Thanked because I agree with PotC. I hated The Little Mermaid 2 though. And Mulan 2. The songs were just shit and idk I found Melody to be annoying. xD
 
rescuers down under > original rescuers

This.

And while not really "sequels" I don't get the hate for the Star Wars prequel trilogy, IMO it was no worse than the first film (raises his shield in preparation for thrown food)

The major problem is them not really lining up with the original trilogy on way too many things to ignore. However, a friend of mine likes to think of the prequels as their own universe of sorts, and I find watching them in that way they are very enjoyable movies. Maybe 2 is a bit painful, but only the romance scenes.
 

Tifabelle

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Thanked because I agree with PotC. I hated The Little Mermaid 2 though. And Mulan 2. The songs were just shit and idk I found Melody to be annoying. xD

yeah I loved all the PotC. (although I haven't seen this last one.) ew Little Mermaid 2 was... less than good, but not complete trash. I haven't seen mulan 2.

I'm not usually picky with movies. Typically, I am happy with sequels even though they're not as good as the original.


The Star Wars prequels were... ok for what they were. I mean, I enjoyed them. But they definitely didn't live up to the originals (but sequels/prequels rarely do). What's most disappointing about the Star Wars prequels in particular is that there was so much potential, and they fell short.
 

Catherine

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Thanked because I agree with PotC. I hated The Little Mermaid 2 though. And Mulan 2. The songs were just shit and idk I found Melody to be annoying. xD

Honestly I am not a fan of the songs either, but the movies were still entertaining to me, so xD

Oh, I also liked Beauty And The Beast II. I thought it was a cute Christmas movie.
 
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