We don't know that, though. It's a good guess, but we don't know.
Don't we, though? We know Ajora's death coincided with a large disaster/cataclysm, we know airships were around up to the time of Ajora's death, and we know airships haven't been around since.
And we definitely know the reason for the espers imprisonment, as it's outlined in FFXII extensively.
Mog said:
I'm not gonna be completely happy until I know the specifics about the Cataclysm, and some more detail and clearing up on Ivalice's geography would be nice to. Sometimes it's a kingdom, sometimes its a region, sometimes it's a world, yadda yadda. Clear that shit up.
I assume it's been all of those things -- the same way Quebec City was in the county of Quebec (until the county's dissolution) in the province of Quebec.
I am curious, though, whether Ivalice is still the name for a region (or anything larger) by the time it's just a kingdom (FFT) or by the time it's just the town of St. Ivalice (FFTA).
Force said:
Well, no they're not. I mean, sure, its a very reasonable assumption to make, but they are not "so obviously" so. The look nothing like the stones, they don't behave like them, they summon the Lucavi, but don't require a human host.
You agree that they summon the Lucavi but disagree that they behave like the glyphs? And while they don't require a human host for a summoning, I don't think we should assume that the Zodiac Stones necessarily
do require a host.
I'm assuming that by the time the name "Zodiac Stones" applied to them the espers were actively seeking human hosts so that they could conquer and no longer be servants. I wouldn't expect the stones to say "I'll lend you my power if you give me your body. By the way, you can also summon me for free."
Force said:
A semi-casual player that played both Tactics back in the day and XII would probably never make the connection
I disagree. A semi-casual player would have had their ass trounced so hard and so many times by Velius they would never forget him. So when he shows up in another game and there's another shiny rock involved with bringing him out, they're going to remember.
Oh, yes. They will remember.
Force said:
And, no, I don't need to know, smartass, I was just asking.
Reported.
ShikamuraNara said:
Sephiroth commiting suicide is harder to live down that everything I said about BC put together.
Since BC had that garbage too its suckage increases exponentially.
Shik said:
as an avid anime fan, I can definitely say the artstyle sucked for LO (Case of Denzel looked awesome though).
Am I alone in liking LO's art style? =(
Force said:
But you can at least explain away LO's discrepancies, the "being from the Turks POV," argument.
No! Bad Force! Stop allowing that bullshit excuse from the 10th Anniversary Ultimania to carry any weight whatsoever!
I've discredited that horseshit so many times. The damn report in front of Tseng in LO even says that the Turks concluded that Cloud killed Seph -- which differs from what's shown onscreen.
SE lied to cover their ass on that one, hoping no one would notice, plain and simple.
Force said:
A lame excuse? Yes. However, that's more than you can do for Red XIII having a mate that he jut forgot about in FF7.
Agreed. That completely indefensible argument is still more than one can do for the utter fail that Nanaki became.
Force said:
Regardless, you're all putting way too much in what I said. I just said the Ivalice Alliance's unconnectedness could be sometimes frustrating. I was the first to admit the Compilation was frustrating for the exact opposite problem and never expressed a desire for the Ivalice Alliance to be setup like the Compilation.
I was just questioning how much Ivalice was planned, because its disconnectedness could allow them to pretty easily just stick any old game in Ivalice.
My understanding is that Matsuno had the world history itself all planned out (I love little details like the Occuria's platform being the same as the symbol on the background of the loading screen in FFT), while individual stories developed in their own way. But we haven't heard shit about that since he was forced out of SE.
Ryu said:
I figure Red was just being emo and stupid and assuming she was dead, honestly.
Because he couldn't ask anybody, right?
But remember: Bugenhagen spoke of him having a mate somewhere as a hypothetical, meaning -- as far as the original game is concerned -- he didn't know shit about her either. There's no excusing this horseshit.
Why do you guys keep trying? =(