This will probably be my last semi-civil post on this board

[looneymoon]

I didn't have a chance to post this before the other thread was closed so I'll just do this now.

I had a few days for my outrage to settle down.

I said previously I did not want the original report that started this whole mess to be aired in public. Yes I did think Ryu exhibit some poor form in his reaction to the report, but he apologized for that and it's over with. However I would like to apologize to any of the parties involved who had shit aired out because of this. That was NEVER my intent.

Also I have to apologize to Ryu because he has been put on public trial for this whole thing. That was totally uncalled for and once again, never my intent. It's really messed up to single out one person when the majority of staff have acted ridiculously about a single report.

as for the "leaks":

I find it funny that Aaron is calling my claims about what goes on in the staff thread as "bullshit." Are you under the impression that all I know about what goes on is second hand? Because how it happened was that after filing the initial report my "informant" (I'm pretty sure you can guess who it is by now) confronted me saying "hey, they're saying really off-hand things about you in staff and it was really uncool and I thought you had the right to know." I then asked what, and I got copy+pastes and screen caps of the actual things being said. I was already pretty peeved by the piss-poor handling of my report, but THAT is when things started to go really sour.

I find it hilarious that staff's reaction to this whole mess is "someone is compromising sensitive information in the staff thread." For the record, I was never shown any sort of "sensitive information" you speak of other than the blatantly rude statements made about me. So basically you're reacting to the fact that someone let it be known that you were poking fun at another member for making a perfectly reasonable report in a section she could not see. Great conduct there, guys.

You know, I could probably understand it if I actually had a history of trolling and/or rude behaviour on this forum. But that is not the case at all. I actually have made the effort to be respectful to everyone, staff and members alike. I rarely, if ever, report posts and generally just let things slide if I find things offensive. In fact, I've been a regular member on this site from basically the beginning with little trouble. I've been on friendly terms with a lot of people on staff - including the ones that joined in the condescending dismissal of my original offense. And when staff have been called out in the past for their behaviour, I've been pretty damn positive about apologist for them because it can be a really annoying burden.

Then shit like this gets revealed to me and it's like oh, ok thanks. What a gross betrayal of trust.

At this point, yes it is my intent to slander the staff and let it be known what I feel about them. Maybe that makes me just as immature and reactionary as they are, but I guess the little part of me that does care about the betterment of this community feels that it's only right to make this shit public. It just seems really unethical otherwise.

Anyways, I only ask for anyone bothering to read anything I have to say at least take a good consideration of this post. idk how my demeanour will change after this i might go back to trolling or maybe not posting at all i'm not sure.

with that ollies i'm outie because it's time for work.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I then asked what, and I got copy+pastes and screen caps of the actual things being said. I was already pretty peeved by the piss-poor handling of my report, but THAT is when things started to go really sour.

See, I recognize and appreciate Adri's intent, but that was the wrong way to go about it. Most members here have ways to air out their grievances, whether it be through PM or MSN or whatever. Although we're expected to set the standard, staff members get worked up as well, and at times they use the staff section to air out their grievances. The staff section is private, and by it's very nature, it is separate from the community. Whatever personal things are said there won't have an impact on the community because it's private. And, honestly, I don't have a problem with that. People should be able to say how they feel. It's pretty sad if you think otherwise. But, because of that, you folks shouldn't jump to conclusions. We enforce the same rules there as we do on the rest of the board.

Now, occasionally, a staff member will say some stupid shit in the staff section. I wouldn't say what's been said is infraction worthy, not at all. Can what's been said in the staff section be considered offensive? Well, there isn't a shadow of doubt now. But, we make an effort to keep each other in check. Adri should have confronted the offending staff member about it, and put him in his goddamn place. Leaking shit like that doesn't solve anything. But since it's all out in the open now, Rishi probably deserves an apology. I'm pretty sure you aren't upset with what I said in there, but I apologize anyway.

 

[Makoeyes987]

And I'd like to apologize as well, because as said before. When I made that statement, I was already worked up and upset regarding the discussion and said what I said carelessly. I meant it before when I said it there to Tennyo, and I'll say it again here to you, in the forum proper. I'm sorry for that statement that minimized and stated that you had no right to be offended because you were not offended by another post in the thread. It was wrong, and also a very shortsighted and foolish conclusion which I understand now.

 

[Ⓐaron]

I find it funny that Aaron is calling my claims about what goes on in the staff thread as "bullshit."

Let's see. The claim I was referring to was:

the staff members created a private thread blocked from other members of staff to discuss them.

From what I can tell, you are claiming that there was a thread discussing staff members that those staff members could not see.

There was not. All super mods and site staff can see every thread in the staff forum.

I don't know who gave you this information, but the claim was completely and utterly unfounded. As long as I have been a member of staff, there has never been a private threads discussing staff members that those staff members cannot see. Whoever relayed you your information was making assumptions.

It is possible that I (and the rest of staff) misinterpreted your post, and if that is the case then I apologise.

I find it hilarious that staff's reaction to this whole mess is "someone is compromising sensitive information in the staff thread." For the record, I was never shown any sort of "sensitive information" you speak of other than the blatantly rude statements made about me.

But, of course, they did not give you the people who made those statements being upbraided for making them and apologising for them, did they? That is a wholly inaccurate picture of what happens in the staff forum.

Look, you have every right to be offended about what was said behind closed doors. No one's disputing that. But we have every right to be offended when the negative things said by members of staff are relayed without the responses upbraiding these members, and these members' subsequent apologies. This presents a wholly unbalanced picture of what goes on in the staff forum. We are not slagging members off 24/7, and people who do slag members off are upbraided for it.

I guarantee that if we looked at every member's private communications on this forum, we would find things that are offensive from each and every one of them, especially if taken out of context. And this is precisely why we have a privacy rule. Anything in any section closed to the forum is not supposed to be revealed without the permission of the person who posts it. If someone leaked information from the donator's section, they would be punished just as strictly.

 

[Tifabelle]

The staff section is private, and by it's very nature, it is separate from the community. Whatever personal things are said there won't have an impact on the community because it's private. And, honestly, I don't have a problem with that. People should be able to say how they feel. It's pretty sad if you think otherwise. But, because of that, you folks shouldn't jump to conclusions. We enforce the same rules there as we do on the rest of the board.

Just because people can't see it and it's private, doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again, you can say how you feel without blatantly mocking or insulting your members in a place on the board that they can't see.

Adri should have confronted the offending staff member about it, and put him in his goddamn place. Leaking shit like that doesn't solve anything.

Except weren't we just told that Adri was under consideration for de-modding for being a troublemaker? And even if she did say something, it doesn't take away from the fact that Rishi had a right to know about it. This isn't MSN, this isn't skype, this is the staff forum. Have a little professionalism. Do people have opinions on other members? Yes. Are they sometimes negative? Yes. But for gods sake, you are moderators. That shouldn't come through in the staff forum, and shouldn't factor into decision-making.

From what I can tell, you are claiming that there was a thread discussing staff members that those staff members could not see.

I believe she was talking about the fact that Adri's access to staff was taken away? Unless I'm misunderstanding too.

But, of course, they did not give you the people who made those statements being upbraided for making them and apologising for them, did they? That is a wholly inaccurate picture of what happens in the staff forum.

Actually I believe they did. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was said in the first place.

We are not slagging members off 24/7, and people who do slag members off are upbraided for it.

Does no one read my posts? I said in the other thread that we are AWARE that it's not done 24/7. That doesn't take away from the fact that it is done.

 

[Ⓐaron]

I believe she was talking about the fact that Adri's access to staff was taken away? Unless I'm misunderstanding too.

The discussion about removing Adri from staff did not take place through a private thread hidden from her view. The only thread that was made about it was the one she saw; all other conversation occurred through off-board channels or private messages.

Actually I believe they did. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was said in the first place.

No one ever said that it did. We all agreed that it was uncalled for. Mako already apologised for it both in private and publicly. I'm also sure all of us are going to be much more diplomatic about what we say in the staff forum. If need be I can try to codify rules of conduct for staff that ensure this happens, and I will personally monitor content looking for violations.

I'm not sure what else you want done? It's already been stated that opening the staff forum to complete public viewing is not a possibility. I don't think anyone on staff is going to budge on this. We can try to discuss even more issues in public than we have been, but beyond that I'm not really sure what you all want.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Just because people can't see it and it's private, doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again, you can say how you feel without blatantly mocking or insulting

I know I'm going to sound like a dick here, but I've seen a lot of posts made on this forum mocking other members to a degree. And, it's pretty much normal behavior around here, virtually everyone gets away with it. We try to be as lax as we can without having to intervene, because most of what's said isn't said with malice. We've applied those rules to the staff section as well. No one gets special treatment. If something clearly crosses the line or breaks the rules, we deal with it. But, your point that Rishi should be aware of those comments is pretty valid, I'll give you that. Unless it's something blatantly offensive, she should be the one to determine if what's said crosses a personal line, not us.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I know I'm going to sound like a dick here, but I've seen a lot of posts made on this forum mocking other members to a degree. And, it's pretty much normal behavior around here, virtually everyone gets away with it. We try to be as lax as we can without having to intervene, because most of what's said isn't said with malice. We've applied those rules to the staff section as well. No one gets special treatment. If something clearly crosses the line or breaks the rules, we deal with it. But, your point that Rishi should be aware of those comments is pretty valid, I'll give you that. Unless it's something blatantly offensive, she should be the one to determine if what's said crosses a personal line, not us.

i think the difference is that if i mock omega or satsu or bex or something, they can see it and be like 'AKI STOP' or something whereas normal members can't just go 'HEY ROAD STOP MOCKING ME' because obviously we can't see it. i think that is probably a lot of what is making people so uncomfortable

 

[Celes Chere]

Just because people can't see it and it's private, doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again, you can say how you feel without blatantly mocking or insulting your members in a place on the board that they can't see.

This. I can definitely say that the posts staff made in that their private threads did not ONLY offend Rishi. Also if you shit talk some members, how can we trust you? How do you know you haven't said demeaning things towards the rest of us? I'm really tired of this board lately, which is a shame because I love a lot of the people here. This is the second time now I've considered leaving, because most of the people I'm close to I already talk to. There are people here I'd like to get to know, but what can you do when the Staff around here is not trustworthy? I know for me it's because I don't trust pretty much anyone on staff anymore and I don't want to be on a Forum run by a bunch of people I don't trust.

Sorry is nice, but that's all it is, it doesn't change anything. Actions speak louder and words and well, we have no way of knowing if the actions in the staff section are REALLY going to change. Because we can't read it. I'm pretty much bitter about some of the things that went down in the staff thread, so maybe I'm speaking unreasonably. But as it stands, I'm just really disappointed to know that shit talking goes on at all.

 

[Joker]

I can say for a fact that the details regarding the context of the insults to Rishi, including Tennyo telling him to cut it out, were indeed mentioned.

I also have at least one screencap of md being directly flamed by a member of staff on the public part of the forum, which they then edited out of their post before I could report it - but not before I saw it. Everyone hears things about what happens in staff - don't act like it's all business, and don't try to play the victims. You're acting like children who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and then point out that your little sister broke a Vase. Most of you have lost my respect not for "dealing with the leak", but for playing the victim, trying to rationalize your behavior, and for wrapping up the leak in record time when you haven't addressed the members' anger over it (and it took what, a week to figure out that Ryu's behavior is a-okay and that you guess mine is ill-advised but not actionable?).

I wish I could say that I'm surprised. Sadly, I am not.

Also, don't pretend that Adri was flaming you, Aaron. She pointed out that you and I have a history of bad blood, which is true. (yes I saw the exact quotes)

 

[Ⓐaron]

Also, don't pretend that Adri was flaming you, Aaron. She pointed out that you and I have a history of bad blood, which is true. (yes I saw the exact quotes)

That wasn't the part that I was calling a flame, and she explicitly said she intended for it to offend me. But I don't give a shit now. See the thread I just posted.

I'm going to close this because a lot has happened since this was posted and I don't want people to reply to old dramatic posts without knowing what has happened since then. Rishi, if you still have concerns, feel free to open another thread.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I can say for a fact that the details regarding the context of the insults to Rishi, including Tennyo telling him to cut it out, were indeed mentioned.

I also have at least one screencap of md being directly flamed by a member of staff on the public part of the forum, which they then edited out of their post before I could report it - but not before I saw it. Everyone hears things about what happens in staff - don't act like it's all business, and don't try to play the victims. You're acting like children who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and then point out that your little sister broke a Vase. Most of you have lost my respect not for "dealing with the leak", but for playing the victim, trying to rationalize your behavior, and for wrapping up the leak in record time when you haven't addressed the members' anger over it (and it took what, a week to figure out that Ryu's behavior is a-okay and that you guess mine is ill-advised but not actionable?).

I wish I could say that I'm surprised. Sadly, I am not.

Also, don't pretend that Adri was flaming you, Aaron. She pointed out that you and I have a history of bad blood, which is true. (yes I saw the exact quotes)

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