On that note, can you lot stop posting GoT spoilers / episode references on FB? I usually don't watch it until a day later and spoilers are bad, mkay? They were much less during previous seasons, and to date there's little to no Star Wars spoilers out there, too.
Yeah facebook and also tumblr are the worst places to be to avoid spoilers for GoT. I got spoiled for episode 5 by tumblr and I think Lith's facebook, is a non issue for me since I don't care about spoilers or the show for that matter. Yop the best thing to do is avoid any form of social media until you watch the new episode.
I love the World of Ice and Fire too, it's an epic book. I still haven't read all of it (My cousin has a copy that I've borrowed before) but it's so good. The history of Westeros and Essos is just so amazing. The level of detail and stuff, ashfghhjfhgsgadkgl <3 <3
Learning more about Visenya, Aegon and Rhaenys, and Egg's rule were particular favorites. As George explained it:
There is always this presumption that if you are a good man, you will be a good king. [Like] Tolkien — in Return of the King, Aragorn comes back and becomes king, and then “he ruled wisely for three hundred years.” Okay, fine. It is easy to write that sentence, “He ruled wisely”.
What does that mean, “He ruled wisely?” What were his tax policies? What did he do when two lords were making war on each other? Or barbarians were coming in from the North? What was his immigration policy? What about equal rights for Orcs? I mean did he just pursue a genocidal policy, “Let’s kill all these fucking Orcs who are still left over”? Or did he try to redeem them? You never actually see the nitty-gritty of ruling.
I guess there is an element of fantasy readers that don’t want to see that. I find that fascinating.
I've been re-watching the first season through the lens of the ethics unit I'm currently teaching in my philosophy class. Ned Stark's a true Kantian ("We can't kill Daenerys because that would be wrong." "Joffrey can't inherit the throne because he's not Robert's son and that would be wrong.") His honour depends on his doing his duty, and his duty is to do the right thing. Everybody else on the council, to the extent that they have a morality beyond serving their own self-interest, is a utilitarian (except Cersei; she's a care ethicist). Killing Daenerys will prevent war. Letting the succession pass to Joffrey will prevent war. Ned's inability to take this pragmatic stance, and his assumption that everyone else must and will do what is "right" (how could he have reached whatever age he is and still be so naive?) is what leads to the destruction of his family and one disaster after another for Westeros.
Pop culture is great for philosophy and classic civ, also increased interest in the Wars of the Roses (then disappointment when it's revealed the Plantagenets had no dragons).
Hodor doesn't have an ethical system, or if he does it's the same ethical system as the dire wolves: absolute loyalty and obedience to the master. Hodor doesn't have a will of his own, he doesn't make any choices, and so as a moral entity he doesn't really exist, even though he is utterly good and a pure soul.
That existence as an independent moral entity, which defines humanity, is what Bran (accidentally) took from him and it's why it is so horrifying.
I've been doing my second very slow reading of the series, I've been on ADWD for the past year cause procrastination. Dany's chapters have annoyed the living hell out of me every single time with her obnoxious romantic plot tumor with Daario. Is like I'm reading Mockingjay again and Katniss is going on and on about Peeta and Gale while there's a revolution happening, I don't fucking give a shit. I get that we're supposed to see what happens when a not so completely mature teenager wants to be a conqueror and end slavery without a long term plan but did we really need the crap with Daario?
Neat little subtle thing here (from the ASoIaF forums):
When Robb arrives at the twins before the red wedding and asks if he can cross the river, walder says 'you wanted crossing and I gave it to you and you never said mayhaps.' Then when catelyn asks for food, Walder says '.... A loaf of bread, a bite of cheese, mayhaps a sausage.' This is a call back to the game that little Walder and Big Walder play at Winterfell, where someone is the lord of the crossing and you can promise them anything but if you say mayhaps the promises don't matter. Walder says Robb never said mayhaps so his promise couldn't be broken He then says mayhaps when promising things to Robb which lets him break the promise and start the red wedding.
Weird that *this* thread is now the one we use spoiler tags in now...
Like I have totally read all the books and the Hedge Knights and seen some seasons of the show but for the last two months I have been HELLA CONCERNED about spoilers, now I feel the show-only people's pain.
Could we qualify spoiler tags with *show spoilers* (being now ahead of the books) vs. *book spoilers* (which in this thread hasn't been an issue for me since 2010)
Although technically I think what I linked there is just a far fetched tin foil hat theory sort of thing. It involves at least one character who does not exist in the show so it's unlikely to be a show spoiler. :3