Analysis: The Planet, Jenova, & Genesis after [ ν ] – εуλ 0010

by August 26, 2010 0 comments

I’ve put together this article for the launch of our newly re-organized Compilation of Final Fantasy VII forum structure which now includes a Fan Content Section. This is speculation and theorization based on as much data as I can put together from all of the pieces of the Compilation, for the potential of the final events leading to the ending of the the FFVII Compilation, allowing Gaia to finally become the paradise that is seen 497 years after Dirge of Cerberus. This is a fairly in-depth article, spanning 3 pages, so don’t forget to click “Read the rest of this entry.”

Enjoy, and be sure to check out our new sections in the forums!

The Planet, Jenova, & Genesis after [ ν ] – εуλ 0010

Section I: The Planet

The Lifecycle of the Cosmos

Advent Children Complete: Vincent discussing Geostigma
“…Inside our bodies there’s a current, like the Lifestream. That current is what fights off any malevolent intruders.”

Each living being’s sprit/will is composed of Spiritual Energy that returns to the current known as the Lifestream upon death. It also appears that the Lifestream forms over time from cellular degradation and decomposition, as each individual cell is technically also living. That explains why there are still bodies left behind when some people die, but others are seen breaking down directly into Lifestream (likely due to accelerated cellular degradation). This Spiritual Energy of the Lifestream is not entirely ethereal, and it maintains some physical presence within the biology. It’s this current that likely also allows them to utilize Materia, as well as protects the Planet and its life forms. The model of a spiritual energy current that exists within each life form and protects them from harm, before returning to the Planet until it brings life to a new being, is a microcosm of the Planet’s role in the Cosmos. Essentially all life is a part of this cycle of spiritual energy.

Gaia refers to the world of Final Fantasy VII. It is the location at which the entity known as “the Planet” currently resides. A “Planet” is a massive entity composed entirely of this Spiritual Energy. These entities travel from world to world throughout the cosmos, bringing life to anywhere they inhabit. These Planets have a built in mechanism that, if certain conditions are met, it gathers all its energies from the life forms on the world, and departs, leaving it as a lifeless husk, and roams the stars for a new planetary shell, much like the spiritual current in the Lifestream finds new life. This means that all Planets (with life forms), are also living beings. The Cetra were able to speak with the Planet, whereas this talent is slowly lost over time to Humans. The life of the Planet is one of the core themes of Final Fantasy VII, with the ShinRa Company not believing in the Lifestream as a part of a living entity, but just harvesting it as a natural resource to generate Mako. It is literally and figuratively the fuel behind the conflict with ShinRa and AVALANCHE. In Advent Children, Rufus (and thereby the remains of ShinRa) slowly changes from referring to “the world” as “the Planet” as he comes to accept the Planet as a living entity, and eventually funding the W.R.O. to restore life on Gaia, and heal the Planet.

The Will of the Lifestream

The Lifestream

As an entity, the Planet never directly receives a name, and is only referred to as “the Planet.” It does manifest an avatar as the embodiment of its will (or the will of the Lifestream), in the form of Minerva, also referred to as the goddess. She is only seen in Crisis Core, and it is the only point at which the Planet is shown to display an avatar of its own will. Sephiroth attempts to use the large surge of Lifestream at the Northern Crater to forcibly take control of the Planet in the final battle of Final Fantasy VII, when he becomes Safer Sephiroth.

The Goddess Statue

It seems that when any entity takes up the mantle of the will of the Lifestream, they physically change to represent this by obtaining 6 white wings. Sephiroth is shown to possess 6 symmetrical wings on his lower body, in addition to his large black Jenova wing. This is almost identical to the wings on the Goddess Status where Minerva appears. Minerva also possesses the 6 wings, though they appear on the wheel-like structure on her back. (Omega Weapon possesses 4 main wings and 2 smaller ones on its head, though this may be due to the fact that it is artificially being triggered prematurely, in addition to the fact that it’s not joined with Chaos, who possesses the other two wings).

Final Fantasy VII: Ifalna speaking about the Original Crisis to Prof. Gast
“2000 years ago, our ancestors, the Cetra, heard the cries of the Planet. The first ones to discover the Planet’s wound were the Cetra at the Knowlespole. …The Cetra then began a Planet-reading. …it’s like having a conversation with the Planet…”

The encounter with Minerva marks the only time that the Planet directly makes contact with any being on Gaia that is not a Cetra. While Bugenhagen, the people at Cosmo Canyon, and Nanaki’s race all listen to the cries of the Planet, it is never indicated that any of them are directly addressed. The fact that Genesis is the only being to receive this contact, and he possesses the powers of Jenova is something that is incredibly significant.

The below is a paraphrase of the information in the Crisis Core Complete Guide, where the development team talk about Minerva. It is also the only point that Genesis’ motivations after the events of Dirge of Cerberus are hinted at.

“Genesis wanted to regain his pride as a SOLDIER. His strong desire to ‘complete the duty of a SOLDIER’, was accepted by the Lifestream/Minerva. Curing his degradation was the Planet’s way of saying to him ‘Then complete it.’ Minerva’s facial expressions are meant to be hints to the Lifestream’s judgment, such as ‘Genesis has not yet completed his duty as a SOLDIER’ and ‘Genesis still has much left to learn.’ This event is connected to Genesis’ future actions.”

The Weapons

Final Fantasy VII: Ifalna speaking about the Weapons to Prof. Gast
“The Planet produced Weapon… But it was no longer necessary to use it.”
“Weapon cannot vanish. …It remains asleep somewhere on the Planet.”
“Even though Jenova is confined, it could come back to life at some time…”
“The Planet has not fully healed itself yet. It is still watching Jenova.”

Diamond Weapon

The Planet’s main form of self-defense are the Weapons. They exist for the sole purpose of eliminating anything the Planet deems as evil. They are created when Jenova first arrives, but once she is sealed into stasis by the Cetra, the Weapons are no longer needed, and enter a state of suspended animation. They continue to exist, because Jenova still exists. In before Crisis, Zirconaide’s summoning triggers the awakening of Jade Weapon. Final Fantasy VII, the rest of them are awakened by Meteor, as it is a trigger to the same events that brought Jenova. They begin attacking the humans, due to the damage that they were causing the Planet through the Mako reactors.

Final Fantasy VII: Hojo quoting Professor Gast on the Weapons
” ‘…Weapon. Monsters created by the Planet. It appears when the Planet is in danger, reducing everything to nothingness.’ That’s what was stated in Professor Gast’s report.”

Sapphire Weapon

All of these primary defense Weapons are defeated during [ ν ] – εуλ 0007 – 0008. Jade Weapon is defeated by the Rogue Turks. Sapphire Weapon is destroyed at Junon, when it’s shot in the face by the canon. Diamond Weapon is killed outside of Midgar, when the Sister Ray is fired directly through it. Ruby and Emerald Weapons are assumed to have been defeated by Cloud & Co, as is Ultima Weapon. The Planet no longer seems to be capable of creating new Weapons to replace those that are destroyed. This is likely a combination of the wound at North Crater, in combination with the Mako Reactors weakening it. With Holy not completely stopping Meteor, this means that the Planet’s only defense against is by using the Lifestream itself as a weapon to destroy it.

The Lifestream stopping Meteor

Doing this leaves the Planet in a weakened state. With the injury from the original impact at North Crater never healing, in addition to the Mako Reactors, and being forced to directly use raw Lifestream as a weapon, the Planet is in a highly weakened state, even with the almost total abandonment of Mako energy by the events of Advent Children. This is likely what allows Sephiroth to spread Geostigma and the Negative Lifestream to attempt to defeat the Planet. After all of this, the plot during Dirge of Cerberus forcing the premature deployment of Omega Weapon, causes it to conflict with Chaos, resulting in its destruction. As a result, all of the Planet’s natural methods of self-defense are exhausted, though luckily Jenova’s capabilities are also significantly reduced. It is this point when Genesis is awakened. To understand the possible reasons behind this, first we need to understand more about Jenova.

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  1. Tennyo
    #1 Tennyo 26 August, 2010, 22:39

    Nice job with this, X. Very well thought out and written. 🙂

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 26 August, 2010, 23:53

      Thanks! It took me about most of my spare time during this week to put together, (not counting my forum draft version).


  2. Sollace
    #2 Sollace 26 August, 2010, 22:57

    Ah, this is perfect. A lot is brought together and explained clearly here. Nice work! Makes me almost wish the story would continue. There’s a lot of possibility for a continued story line, but I’m afraid that would just kill it.

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 26 August, 2010, 23:52

      Thank you! After 4 years of waiting around without even a HINT of anything, I figured that I’d had enough time to mull things over that I’d get some conversation flowing about it again.

      With the Compilation, a lot of the times it feels like all the gaps have been filled, and in some ways there’s not as much to talk about as there was with the ambiguity of FFVII’s ending, but I’m hoping that this will get some people interested in talking about all the things we enjoyed about the games.


  3. Stephiroth
    #3 Stephiroth 27 August, 2010, 00:35

    This is my first comment on this site; but I wanted to say how wonderful it is that you’ve collated and interpreted all this info on Jenova and the S and G -cells,
    I especially like your interpretation of Loveless and what will happen next with Genesis because it matches my own interpretation  Though I’m not sure that the line;“He begins a life of seclusion, but his guilt over not fulfilling his oath to his friends grows.” Is in relation to Deepground; I thought it was still relating to Sephiroth and Angeal.
    Also I’ve always thought of the first line; “When the war of the beasts brings about the world’s end” As realating to Omega and Chaos?
    What are your interpretations?

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 27 August, 2010, 03:04

      I’m glad you’re posting! You’re quite full of insight.

      I think that his seculsion applies to Deepground, and his Oath to his friends is his commitment to his honor/duty as a SOLDIER that he looks to fulfil, which applies to the Tsviets and his fellow SOLDIERs Angeal, and Sephiroth.

      The bit about Omega and Chaos is also directly in line with my interpretation.


  4. Dark & Divine
    #4 Dark & Divine 27 August, 2010, 00:42

    Nice job, X!

    That was interesting to read.

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 27 August, 2010, 03:06

      Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.


  5. ForceStealer
    #5 ForceStealer 27 August, 2010, 01:23

    Holy crap X, that was fantastic. Unfortunately, I’m also mad at you now because now I really want the conclusion to the Compilation who knows when Square’ll get around to it.

    What’s strange is how it doesn’t seem like Square could have possibly thought ANY of this out, especially not anything relating to Dirge of Cerberus. But things (particularly Loveless) fits SO WELL, I have a hard time thinking how it happened…
    But I’m fascinated now to see how Genesis becoming a Weapon to purge Jenova could bring him into conflict with Avalanche…(unless of course he takes the old Weapons approach of wiping out human life. But I don’t know why that would be necessary.)

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 27 August, 2010, 03:16

      I figured that if they wouldn’t do it, I had to talk about it, though I do wish to see the next title even more after getting into this.

      I think that Genesis’ role in CC & DoC was carefully thought out and the quote I included shows that there is some groundwork intentionally laid out for his future as well. I have to think that it was at least partially thought out.

      Because it didn’t directly apply to my article and would be complete speculation, I didn’t bring up the fact that Cloud would get dragged in because of a final Reunion fully purging Jenova would include him, since he’s technically an S Copy.


    • ForceStealer
      ForceStealer 27 August, 2010, 06:07

      But aren’t his Jenova cells (or S-cells, whatever) gone?

      X-SOLDIER Author 27 August, 2010, 16:18

      Yeah, but he may still have some mutation.
      But really- Can you imagine Sephiroth showing up without saying goodbye to Cloud? 😛


    • Ravynne
      Ravynne 8 November, 2014, 06:15

      Or imagine if Cloud wasn’t the main hero of a final installation. I want an ensemble party full length JRPG, but I’d be okay with Cloud being part of that cast but only as important as the rest of them.

    • Bobby
      Bobby 5 March, 2019, 10:59


  6. nemohljsem
    #6 nemohljsem 27 August, 2010, 10:09

    This is absolutely one of the coolest articles here! Kudos!

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 27 August, 2010, 16:22

      Thanks! 😀

  7. Andalegogo
    #7 Andalegogo 28 August, 2010, 04:58

    I’ve been hoping for the exact same scenario. I think it’d it’d be a fantastic end to the whole Jenova/Sephiroth threat. Great job!

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 30 August, 2010, 23:21

      Thanks! It’s cool to see other people with the same hopes/anticipations.

  8. EXStrife7
    #8 EXStrife7 30 August, 2010, 18:51

    Impressive, truly impressive. Your theory that Genesis is part of a final WEAPON to get rid of Jenova really did convince me and your interpretation of LOVELESS seems to support this.
    Though I don’t think that the reunion of Genesis’s (Gillian’s) and Sephiroth’s cells would unite all the remaining cells. Furthermore I don’t think that Sephiroth is in a weakening state, after all the negative lifestream strengthens him, although the healing of geostigma might have weakened the negative lifestream. But why should Genesis lose to him voluntarily? Maybe it is necessary so Sephiroth can exercise a true reunion with every single cell (since Genesis seems to lack this instinct).
    But what exactly happened to the cells of Angeal and the other Soldiers?
    If they dissolved into the lifestream despite being part of Jenova then Gaia (Minerva) could just kill Genesis, wait for Sephirtoh’s awakening and his reunion and then try to get rid of him.
    Still, your theory is very convincing and the idea that Genesis is supposed to be a saviour is damn cool!!!

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      X-SOLDIER Author 30 August, 2010, 23:38

      Thank you. I was actually very surprised by how much my ideas coincided with LOVELESS when I first started putting them together.

      I think that Sephiroth is weaker after ACC than he’s been thus far in the Compilation. My theory as to his voluntary loss (though not very clearly outlined in the article as it’s somewhat overly speculative in my opinion) is that since the S Cells are capable of Reunion, but the G Cells don’t respond to them, the union/synthesis of both cells is needed to start a Reunion that will bring all the cells together. When Angeal and the other SOLDIER died, their cells should have broken down and returned to the lifestream, whereas the Jenova cells would (assuming they don’t break down like I mentioned) move to re-create Jenova via Reunion. Since this would take a long time for such small cellular matter, I assume that the Planet would assist this by using the Lifestream to carry them into one location, where Genesis is.

      I also considered that Jenova – having been trapped by the Cetra before, may anticipate some sort of plan if she/it feels that it’s being manipulated into place. With Genesis’ motivations, and it’s ability to manipulate the hosts, there’s a possibility that he’d be found out. On top of that, there’s the fact that he helped to push Sephiroth over the edge when he meets with him at Nibelheim, and is somewhat responsible for this whole mess, and likely feels some guilt about it. With all that happened to his fellow SOLDIER with the desertion, Angeal and Zack, I don’t know if he could bring himself to kill Sephiroth. Also, if anyone would have a chance to breaking through to Sephiroth’s humanity (if any remains), it’s Genesis, since he truly understands Sephiroth, like no one else left on Gaia does, and he might even die to prove it. That fits with his motivation to his duty/honor as SOLDIER.

      With Sephiroth having forcibly taken the Will of the Lifestream at the end of FF VII, and Genesis having met with that of the Planet, it’s likely that the Planet would be able to influence the Jenova Copy created by combining the two, since it would likely function like a real Jenova Copy, (like the Genesis copies do of him). Genesis loss would enforce Jenova’s confidence in fully gathering and restoring herself. That means that she’d be completely restored, and could be removed from Gaia without leaving pieces behind, by focusing the Will of the Planet into the Jenova Copy that’s containing her cells.

      Likely if it became a game/book/film, there’d be a lot more to it than that, but that’s the basic idea. I’m glad you liked the idea. 😀

    • Okami925
      Okami925 4 September, 2010, 20:19

      Whoa. This has to be one of the most insightful things I’ve ever read. I’ve never seen the events of Final Fantasy VII put into such context! Well done, really. It just makes so much SENSE! I just wish that someone at SE would read this.

      X-SOLDIER Author 7 September, 2010, 22:07

      😀 Many, MANY thanks. I’d be pretty pleased if someone from SE took a look at this too. 😉

  9. ClotiFAN
    #9 ClotiFAN 7 September, 2010, 17:43

    Uh, I’m writing a fanfiction, and I want to be factually accurate with all my info, so I was wondering: are Jenova cells (specifically S cells) inheritable?

    Like, if someone with S cells were to have a kid, would the S cells be present in the child?

    Please and Thank you!!

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      X-SOLDIER Author 7 September, 2010, 22:06

      I believe that this is how Angeal obtains his G Cells. Genesis has them injected when he is a fetus, but Angeal inherits his naturally from his mother, Gillian- the source of the G Cells. (I think that this is stated in the game, but I can’t find an official translation / source to site right now, but the Final Fantasy wiki lists it in the death section under Angeal).

      It’s likely that mutant cells are directly inherited from a parent, though exactly how they’re passed on is up to a lot of genetic speculation, and the child’s ability to survive it. We’ve also only ever seen them being passed from a Mother to a Child during its gestation, though it’s not a confirmation that they couldn’t/wouldn’t be inherited from a Father, though it’s less likely.

      The S Cells are interesting in that they don’t produce True Copies, so I don’t know if they transfer the same way to another genetic generation that the G Cells would, but I’d figure that you’re well within you’re realm of fan fiction accuracy and speculation there to extrapolate however you want to make your story. 😀


    • ClotiFAN
      ClotiFAN 10 September, 2010, 23:30

      Thanks so much! This will help me a LOT. 😀

      I was actually planning on having the Cells be from the father, but I guess that’ll still work out. XD

      Thanks again!

  10. Täntän
    #10 Täntän 20 September, 2010, 19:54

    I just love this article/analysis. Digging deep things like that from FF VII’s world is more than just cool. Though I’ve played the game since it appeared in Europe I found the analysis containing so much new information (the information which I didn’t understand as a child and then didn’t just specially pay attention until now the recent years) that asdgfh- I’m so happy.
    Honestly, thank you for making the effort for collecting the information from those games and writing all that.

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 1 October, 2010, 16:48

      😀 Thank you! I still appreciate the little comments, and knowing that other people appreciate the attempt to look deep into the small details of the FF VII universe. It’s been a long labor of love through the series, since I first played it and later delved into it through the Compilation, since late 2003. I finally just decided to write my ideas and speculations down after numerous debates and such on the forums. Glad I could make something that you enjoy!


  11. Shademp
    #11 Shademp 4 December, 2010, 08:25

    I hope… I REALLY HOPE that your interpretations mirror the choices Square will make for the future Compilation entry. These elements would be perfect for a game worthy of the FFVII name.

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  12. Sephcloud
    #12 Sephcloud 9 February, 2011, 19:30

    incredible, truly awesome, with the recent analysis of the mystery of Loveless and all, i’ve thought of conclusion between genesis and sephiroth, but your analysis is truly beyond my expectations . Well done.Plus it makes the character of Genesis so coool XXD
    Kind of paradoxal how Loveless gave 2 interpretation (the one in crisis core, and the one you gave)

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    • Sephcloud
      Sephcloud 10 February, 2011, 00:52

      there is one thing that I didn’t clearly understand: How does the planet use Genesis to get rid of Jenova when he make the synthesis ?

      X-SOLDIER Author 16 February, 2011, 03:01

      Once Reunion is completed after the Synthesis, all of Jenova’s cellular material would be gathered together into one place, and no longer spread across the entire world. Once it’s all recombined, it would essentially be contained within Genesis. At that point, he would depart from the planet the same way that Omega WEAPON did and thus remove Jenova from the Planet, permanently curing it. He would also prevent Jenova from travelling to another world and destroying it by keeping it imprisoned within himself in space. Essentially he becomes a sacrifice to save the Planet.

      Hopefully that makes a little bit more sense.


    • Theozilla
      Theozilla 2 November, 2011, 03:53

      Great article, I hope that later compilation titles that come out do mirror this article in narrative. But I do have follow up question similar to Sephcloud’s: after the Synthesis how could we/you be sure that Genesis’s will would be able to control the Jenova Synthesis copy and not the will of Jenova/Sephiroth? Or would the Planet/Lifestream/Minerva aid Genesis in controlling the Jenova Synthesis copy or would it physically push/remove the Jenova Synthesis copy off the planet (if Genesis could not control it) similar to how it did to the Meteor?

      Also one more question, I thought Omega and Chaos were still alive/not completely destroyed at the end of Dirge Of Cerebus, because Vincent said that Chaos and Omega had “returned to the Planet”. So does that not indicate that Chaos and Omega still exist (but are likely damaged and/or dormant)?

      X-SOLDIER Author 15 November, 2011, 18:37

      Even though I answered this on the forums, it’s probably a good idea to log it here as well.

      It’s only mentioned briefly, but the struggle of Genesis/Sephiroth to take control over a pure Jenova re-Synthesis would be much like Cloud attempting to break free of Sephiroth’s control- I’m not sure if he can, but he does have several factors working for him. Not only does Genesis have the will and single-minded ambition to do so, The Planet itself kept him alive by curing his degredation, and also appeared to him as Minerva. If there is any being who could contain both the will of the Planet as well as the full genetic synthesis of Jenova, it’s Genesis.

      As for Omega/Chaos, I don’t have a definitive answer, but I think of them much like the WEAPONS. They’re destroyed, and hypothetically the Planet could re-create them, but in its current state, I don’t think that the Planet has that option, because gathering the power to do so into one location is inherently dangerous, since that’s been exploited in the past, and it seems to injure it. That’s why gathering its energy around Genesis as a last shot resort to purge Jenova would be a worthwhile endeavour. Thus (as you mentioned on your reply in the forums) Vincent’s line, “Omega and Chaos returned to the Planet” is more along the lines of how when a organism dies on Gaia it “returns” to the Planet, rather than Vincent meaning that Omega/Chaos have literally gone into the Planet in a dormant state, thus explaining the presence of Omega’s corpse in the sky.


  13. James
    #13 James 26 May, 2011, 23:09

    I really hope they make a sequel that goes right after Dirge of Cerberus.
    And if they do, I’m guessing that will be the last sequel they’ll make that will FULLY complete the compilation of the Final Fantasy 7 series.

    Seeing Genesis as either a villian or hero would be epic!!

    I mean if they were to ever make a sequel, I’m guessing right after there done making FF13 Versus, a year later they’ll finally announce that there making a game that continues the story where Dirge of Cerberus left off.

    And plus, Square-Enix did say they’ll possibly keep making more FF7 stuff until it’s 2017.

    So let me put it this way, right now it’s 2011 and there still making FF13 Versus (which Nomura has said the game is unlikely to be released in 2011, so that could mean the game would be possibly finished and released in stores by late 2012).

    Now when there done making FF13 Versus, I’m guessing about a year later in like 2013, Square-Enix will announce there’s a sequel being made that will continue after Dirge of Cerberus.

    So maybe by 2015-2016 (or 2017) the game will be completed and finally put into stores.

    Hey if any of you agree that they should make a sequel, please respond to this and tell me what you think. But if you dont agree, all right that’s fine, at least you have your own opinion.
    (By the way, if you do agree, give me some of your ideas what they should put in the game)

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  14. Ana
    #14 Ana 12 December, 2011, 21:55

    It has passed some time since the last comment, but I really need to say this:
    There are only three words to describe this: OH MY GOD!
    I’ve been wanting to understand more of Final Fantasy 7 since I first played it, and I must say this is really brilliant. I just freezed at LOVELESS interpretation, it has passed some hours since I’ve read it and I’m still not over it, it just makes so much sence! I’ve always liked Genesis, somehow it seemed like there was more to him, especially after seeing DOC’s secret ending. I’m not very good at interpreting poems, I’ve tried to interpret LOVELESS and couldn’t do it, so I really need to thank you for doing this! It really saddens me the idea of Genesis dying, since he’s my favorite, but I think that’s what would make the FF story even better, if it makes me have this kind of feelings, it’s a good game.
    Really, I’ve never seen anyone going as deep on this as you, I’m a fan now! I really hope SE would make the next game like this, it would be a masterpiece. Until they don’t release anything that has to do with FF7, I’ll just keep hoping.
    Again, thank you for doing this!

    P.S.: Sorry if there are any errors, I’m not english.

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 15 December, 2011, 00:13

      Thanks much for your enthuiastic response. I’m glad that you enjoyed reading this, and I’m especially happy to hear that you liked my interpritation of LOVELESS. I’m glad that after writing this during the summer that people are still finding it, and enjoying the theorizations that I put out.


    • Ana
      Ana 15 December, 2011, 18:00

      No problem! 🙂
      I would show it to my friends, but none of them actually care about Final Fantasy, and they only know the game because I talk about it, but they don’t show any enthusiasm… Oh well, their loss.

      X-SOLDIER Author 16 December, 2011, 19:24

      Those poor, deprived people. 😉


  15. Garrett
    #15 Garrett 20 March, 2012, 22:06

    Ok so I really really liked this theory and makes me believe in a future for Final Fantasy VII. For a long time I had no hope and that they were sinking and running out of ideas, but if they used your theory it’d make me cry like I did at Aerith’s death (Except tears of happiness this time).

    So here is the part i’m kind of confused about, if I understood the Synthesis part correctly it said that Genesis would sacrifice himself and all his cells would fuze with Sephiroth to create a full Jenova again. So would that mean that someone would have to finally defeat Jenova (*cough* Cloud and Co *cough*) or what else could that mean? Would Sephiroth still have some of his will and he would fight Cloud and Co, or would that mean that Sephiroth’s will would finally break down and he would form into Jenova? I think I read somewhere on a comment it said that Genesis would take all the Jenova cells and leave the planet finally ridding Gaia of the disturbance. But that can’t be true if Genesis sacrifices himself because he can’t kill Sephiroth. So i guess all i want to know is if they preform the Synthesis, will someone still have to defeat the outcome of it?

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      X-SOLDIER Author 4 June, 2012, 04:34

      The idea is that Jenova would become whole, as a fusion of Jenova, Sephiroth, and Genesis. If there were a battle of some sorts, it may involve the struggle of whose will will be dominant, but that involves Genesis willingly sacrificing his own to trick Jenova into a full revival, and gathering all of her cells and lifeforce into one location. Then, the Planet is able to use its connection with Genesis to manipulate Jenova’s form like Omega and force the fused form to depart the planet – taking Jenova completely off of Gaia, and stranding her in space, preventing her from continuing to poison Gaia, as well as keeping her from travelling to another world to spread destruction.


  16. Marc_In_Da_Room
    #16 Marc_In_Da_Room 27 March, 2012, 20:47

    i am creating a table-top rpg on The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII based on the d20 system and was wondering if i could use your theory as a possible future event in a sourcebook im currently making for it? I will obviously name you as the sole author and source of the theory.

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      X-SOLDIER Author 4 June, 2012, 04:35

      Please go ahead. I’m a fan of d20, so if you have the opportunity, let me know where you’d be posting your sourcebook. 😉


  17. Turin747
    #17 Turin747 24 April, 2012, 06:10

    This gets me curious about what significance, if any, that Cloud might have from the perspective of the Planet or Jenova or something else. Perhaps he’s just a wild card.

    Reply to this comment
      X-SOLDIER Author 4 June, 2012, 04:59

      Cloud’s always been an interesting case. I always figured that the Planet loosely acknowledged him at the end of FFVII, when Sephiroth’s red Lifestream is guided into him, and only the green Lifestream exits him. I see Cloud vs. Sephiroth as being a necessary prerequisite to Genesis (as a vessel for the Planet) vs. Jenova.


  18. rebecca
    #18 rebecca 26 May, 2012, 10:52

    I found this on Wiki:

    In Final Fantasy X-2, Square Enix dropped hints of a connection between the Planet of Final Fantasy VII and Spira, as Shinra and Rin discuss the potential of the Farplane as an energy source, though Shinra states the technology to safely and successfully refine energy from the Farplane would not be developed for generations. This connection is confirmed in the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania guide, where Kazushige Nojima states that Rin would fund Shinra’s efforts to refine energy from the Farplane using the Vegnagun’s remains, but failed. His descendants, a thousand years later when space travel was developed, would travel to the Planet and found the Shinra Electric Power Company.

    “Kazushige Nojima: ‘…After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to distant planets becomes possible, the Shinra Company is founded on another world, or something like that……. That would happen about 1000 years after this story, I think.'” Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania Interview with FFX-2 creators, Page 723. Final Fantasy Forums

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      X-SOLDIER Author 4 June, 2012, 04:36

      The FF:X connection takes place BEFORE the start of FF:VII actually. Shinra’s relatives arrive on Gaia from Spira via space/airship. This is also where the Shera airship seen in AC/DoC is from (which is why it’s a FF:X-style ship).


  19. rebecca Q
    #19 rebecca Q 2 June, 2012, 21:09

    I’m a ff7 geek so I figured I may be able to help with some of the questions you asked, well my own theories anyway, I use loveless to help with the theories. In loveless it says the arrow has left the bow of the goddess, I believe this refers to omega gathering the lifestream and going somewhere else. The gift of the goddess refers to holy and/or chaos. wings of light and dark = the planet and the cosmos. hero of dawn, healer of worlds = weapons. the part which goes “do you fly away now, to a wold that ahbors you and I” I believe means Jenova’s arrival on Gaia. The silent sacrifice = The sacrifice of the ancients/creta. I’ll stop there for now ^_^

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      X-SOLDIER Author 4 June, 2012, 04:52

      Here’s how LOVELESS breaks down according to my theory (explained near the end).

      The Prologue is the arrival of Jenova 2000 years ago Cetra.
      Act I is the start of Crisis Core.
      Act II ends with Crisis Core.
      Act III takes place during the Jenova War.
      Act IV is taking place during the end of AC, and during the start of my theory.
      Act V is the conclusion of the Jenova conflict in FFVII with her banishment.


  20. dexter mittal
    #20 dexter mittal 3 July, 2012, 12:17

    i want to know most about ff7. till yet i have watched animated clippings of ff7 crisis core. can u tell me how can i get more knowledge about ff7.

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    • CloutiFAN
      CloutiFAN 8 July, 2012, 06:50

      Well, there’s always Advent Children (Complete), which is a movie;

      Dirge of Cerberus, which is a shooter game that takes place after Advent Children (you can probably find the clips on YouTube);

      On the Way to a Smile, which are writings from the perspectives of other FFVII characters that you can find on this website (look on the right under Categories)

      And of course, if you already haven’t seen them, the actual FFVII game (either playing it on PC or watching clips and walkthroughs also on YouTube) which will give you the storyline before Advent Children and after Crisis Core… probably best to start out with that if you haven’t already 😉

      Hope this helps!