Translations from the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania — For the One I Love

Did you manage to read “Case of Tifa”? Obviously, you didn’t. Tifa in that novella was shown as an emotional woman. The family that you are openly saying here that defines CloTi was more of a need for Tifa to be there and is trying to act like they are an ordinary family, for Cloud’s sake, since Aerith’s death left him emotionally haunted. Marlene saw that this was probably just making things worse than they were. Another case in point was how Cloud was even saying Denzel WAS SENT by Aerith to Tifa’s distress. The “On The Way To A Smile” novellas are pretty much canon, and so leads to the frustration Tifa openly shows in the Advent Chidlren movie. Did I say that Cloud didn’t stay for Tifa or the children? Learn to read between the lines. I said that when we all knew that it would be better for Cloud to just stay around for a little while since Cloud has finally learned to SMILE, still we see that scene with Cloud on his bike and Aerith waiting for him in a field of flowers. I am already acknowledging that since Cloud has finally learned to smile, it will put his memories of Aerith and her death to rest. Still it haunts him.

When did in the game did Cloud even begin to open his feelings to Tifa? It was more of Cloud doing his Zack impersonation and Tifa didn’t do anything about it. Afraid to do something about it, hurt Cloud in the process? Maybe. The only times that Tifa was shown to wonder and worry about him was a brief mention in the game, regarding the real events that happened in Nibelheim, and the Lifestream event. Tifa did worry about him, but didn’t do anything about it, which is pretty normal since of course you probably may not be able to do anything for that person too if you were in Tifa’s shoes, afraid of what the outcome is. Up to that point, it had always been Aerith who talked to him, who wanted to get to KNOW the real him, something Tifa was afraid to do for some reason. Tifa’s worry and what not were only expounded in the release of new FF VII games dedicated to the compilation.

You probably blocked out that scene when Cloud was driving through the forest leading to the Ancients’ forgotten city? Or those little snippets when Cloud’s mobile phone fell into the lake? If this was a picture of perfect canon couple, Cloud would have known better and answer Tifa’s phonecalls and react normally. Or even treat her better. Yet we see him camping out at the old church. Tifa knows his guilt and couldn’t do something for him even if she really wanted to. It’s so easy to put those things to rest where Cloud shows that he got over Aerith and start living with the children and Tifa and remember Aerith in passing. But still we see them apart, with Tifa suffering a lot in the process.

Intimacy? Cloud acting like nothing even special happened between them? And the movie and novellas aren’t even supporting any of this supposed moment of intimacy. It’s final, if you’d like to put it in that context – like what happened between Elly and Fei in Xenogears, and how the game ended. Come back after reading the “Case of Tifa” and then decide. I read it because I wanted to know the final deal about the couple. Also, the Cloudy Wolf rings aren’t much significance.

If that is the case, then why aren’t you even acknowledging Tifa’s pain in that novella? You are just saying that they have a family, PERIOD. Which I am not even saying is not true. You conveniently forgot to see the anguish Tifa had in that novella. I’d deck Cloud for that “Aerith sent Denzel here” crap if I could. Try telling that to your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband when you’re both raising a family together, even after so many years had passed.

For the first part of their family being together, yes, Cloud and Tifa were in it all. But it all came apart at the seems when Elmyra asked him to deliver thsoe flowers to Aerith. Then Cloud started camping out at the old church, even keeping something IMPORTANT like the Geostigma from her. Elmyra was probably the one at fault here eh?

Tifa was the one who knew who the real Cloud was (but flashbacks only showed Cloud worshipping Tifa and nothing else except that promise), but let me ask you this, why didn’t she do anything to even reinforce the idea that Cloud wasn’t acting like himself? It took a total stranger to ask him that too.

LOL why would Zack figure in a shipping thread is hilarious. But since you put him in this argument, yeah, I am not even saying that Zack is unimportant. The issue here is obviously Cloud, Aerith and Tifa – Zack is important to Cloud just as Aerith is.

I go off in fanfiction ramblings? Is it just that or you simply have nothing else to back up your argument? Calling one a troll is probably just as bad as calling someone out here for providing no translations whatsoever.

@ Vendel

Tifa corrected Cloud on that “Aerith sent Denzel to us”, she made it “Denzel was sent to us”. Cloud made it like Denzel was brought over by Aerith since he appeared somewhere by the old church and all. Symbolism MUCH.

Also how is Zack in this argument again? This is supposedly the love triangle of Cloud, Tifa and Aerith, not of Cloud and his other significant others, or whatever.

Also where did that Cloud leaves Tifa for Aerith come from? All I’m saying is that conventional love stories aside, this probably is the worst offender because mentions of that love was added YEARS after the game ended. Not telling anyone as important as Geostigma when it was just beginning to assert itself in the world – what AC were you watching? >.> Tifa was worried over Denzel because of Geostigma, and then she finds out Cloud didn’t tell her. Unneeded worry much? You’d expect that right after the game ended the 2 of them will start anew and begin building trust for each other? Tifa supporting Cloud, even just by talking to him, knowing that yes indeed Cloud couldn’t have known all those things and maybe something was wrong? Am I the only one seeing the IMPORTANT aspects of a relationship being beaten up in here?

Also LOL I am not wearing shipper’s goggles. I guess the offender here is you not me. Amuse me more. :3

Wow. Way to duck the symbolism issue here. How they phrased it was something of a strain to Tifa. You’re probably blind not to notice that.

The Lifestream event was Tifa helping Cloud to get back to his normal self. I never mentioned in any of my posts that Tifa was unimportant to Cloud. Also, symbolism much – both were the only survivors of the Nibelheim incident left alive and knew its tragedy and whatnot that screws them up later. Tifa’s reveal was along in those lines – that whatever happens, she’d stay with Cloud and see whatever end they will end up in after they defeat Sephiroth. Tifa genuinely cares about the guy, I can see that, and Cloud does care for her a lot too. Cloud is someone who probably wouldn’t initiate sex with Tifa, and vice versa. Did it occur to you that they only just slept together with Tifa’s head on his shoulders? This reinforced what happened the next day when it was all over, LOL because if you would want to get away with sex, the first thing Cloud did was asking them all if they still want to go with him and defeat Sephiroth. Yeah, intimacy much. That, and Cloud’s final lines. That he’d meet her “there”. Tifa nods and understands and had a smile on her face, hugging him. I don’t get it why rabid CloTi worshippers don’t get it with that one line. That exactly wasn’t what you’d tell your girlfriend right? And think that if they did admit their feelings for each other, you’d see how rainbows and sunshine will be transferred directly to Advent Children, as they already have an understanding. No, more emo Cloud.

I call troll, no one uses that “JAPANESE IS HARD LOL!” argument anymore.

I mean he/she didn’t even offer any OTHER translations.

I am sure the translation is driving you insane. Because it’s telling you that your fanfiction is wrong. And we just can’t have that now can we?

And pardon us for believing in translations done by translators that SHOW THEIR WORK.

No one has been able to show that these translations are wrong. Even the idiots who desperately want them to be.

So back up your assertions with ANYTHING or shut the fuck up about them.

So now we have come to AU game arguments? Way to duck the translation issue.

The thing is that even though they don’t matter AT ALL to the story of FFVII you idiots still lose.

Sad isn’t it?

Do you have a point anywhere in this? Is it “translations can be wrong. JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT”. As if you are being subtle.

I nor anyone else who will read your post are convinced by your act.

20 years huh? You do know the original game came out in 1997 right?

And what you are doing is being a not very subtle clerith shipper pretending not to be one. We have seen it so many times. You are transparent.

You keep saying “big reveal”. Why? Are you hoping that if you say it enough it will be true?

And if you flat out refuse to believe the Ultimania then you are an idiot AND a delusional shipper. But I guess I didn’t have to say it twice.

And once again fuck your AU games. They matter for shit in the story of FFVII. And even if they did they do not help clerith shippers AT ALL.

Again just because you keep saying it was a big revel doesn’t make it so. The only ones shocked by it were the rabid clerith shippers. And that was only because they had ignored EVERYTHING else beforehand. For the majority of the fandom and the casual observer it was more along the lines of “oh look at that”.

And if Aerith being dead and Cloud spending his last moments with Tifa AFTER the actual big revel in the game (LS sequence) is not “established” then I don’t know what is.

The Ultimania just tell us what should have been obvious. And it was to most people.

Oh the C/A fandom is long standing. Doesn’t make them any more than a pure fanfiction couple.

It does make sense. Because they both know they love each other (LS sequence). So that something/someone important they are holding on to is each other.

It’s the same reason Cloud tells Tifa he will always be with her after the game. And that he has her in a way that was different than before. This was before they had established a new home and started a family. Rather romantic wouldn’t you say?

You remind me a lot of a poster from yesteryear named slightly_angelic. Probably just a coincidence.