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Charles Xavier 10/30/2012 09:02 PM

Star Wars: Episode 7, 8... and BEYOND!
 
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/169...ucasfilm.jhtml

Disney, seriously? You're actually going to push this all the way, aren't you?

YouTube Video

The Man 10/30/2012 09:04 PM

This will all end in tears, I know it /marvin

edit: Though to be fair, Disney has done a pretty good job with both Pixar and Marvel, so there may be a chance this might not suck. It's also true that the best Star Wars releases in recent memory have been the releases Lucas wasn't given complete control over.

The Pyro 10/30/2012 09:18 PM

I... really don't know what to make of this. I mean, I'd like it to be good news but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory Williams (Post 472380)
This will all end in tears, I know it /marvin


Cthulhu 10/30/2012 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory Williams (Post 472380)
This will all end in tears, I know it /marvin

WTF do they plan to do anyway story-wise, have the bastard cyborg son of Luke and R2-D2 destroy a 3rd death star formed by the Dark Side Force from the collective hatred of the fanbase versus the prequels and Jar-Jar with the power of love and CGI?

Captain Jack Harkness 10/30/2012 09:38 PM

i feel a disturbance in the Force

The Man 10/30/2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cthulhu (Post 472385)
WTF do they plan to do anyway story-wise, have the bastard cyborg son of Luke and R2-D2 destroy a 3rd death star formed by the Dark Side Force from the collective hatred of the fanbase versus the prequels and Jar-Jar with the power of love and CGI?

That would be lulz. To be fair, though, it's not like the Empire is completely gone after the end of the original trilogy, and there were plenty of rather cool novels written in the Expanded Universe after Return of the Jedi (although there were several crappy ones too). I doubt they're going to use one of those as the basis for the sequels though (least of all because the original actors are way too old, plus they probably have way too much plot to fit into a two-and-a-half-hour film), so they'll probably go with an original story, and I don't have much faith in whatever they come up with being any good.

Literally Who? 10/30/2012 09:51 PM

I remember one EU novel about a sith finding Darth Vaders glove and then suddenly having all of his power.

It was cool but meh at the same time o.O

Cthulhu 10/30/2012 09:51 PM

:monster:

Also somewhat relevant, Disney purchased Pixar in 2006 for 7 billion, which used to be a subsidiary of Lucasfilm; they now purchased Lucasfilm for 4 billion, which is pretty neat considering they haven't done anything worthwhile since the prequel trilogy. The IP is probably worth shittons though - although, does the Star Wars IP belong to Lucasfilm or to George Lucas' person? Kinda relevant there.

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy has some information about stuff about the sequel triology based on stuff.

Tetsujin 10/30/2012 10:10 PM

Mixed feelings.

I love Star Wars (even the prequels despite their flaws :monster: ) but I'm not sure about this...o_o

Mormz 10/30/2012 10:15 PM

Hopefully they come up with a decent storyline. I'd prefer it to be quite some time after the events of Episode 6.

Charles Xavier 10/30/2012 10:25 PM

In all fairness, I'm not totally against another SW movie. And as Rory pointed out, Disney may do a better job with the franchise than Lucas. But ask yourself this; do we REALLY need another Star Wars movie?

If they're thinking about bringing back any of the original cast to serve in the main plot/s, I wouldn't advise it too much. I say bring on a new generation.

Ghost X 10/30/2012 10:44 PM

Saying "Do we really need another Star Wars movie?" is like saying "Do we really need the expanded universe?" ain't it? I'm all for another Star Wars movie. I just hope they do something different. I think we're over-exposed to certain elements. There's got to be more to the universe than just the force magic tricks, and Jedi versus Sith. Wouldn't mind the focus be shifted at least a tad away from that. Maybe have a central character the audience can relate to, looking at shit from the outside in sort of thing. As for when the story should be set, I would rather hear about a story post-Episode VI.

Fangu 10/30/2012 10:53 PM

YouTube Video


On the other hand, they can't do any worse than Lucasfilm themselves did with the prequels. It is universally impossible to make Star Wars worse than that.

X-SOLDIER 10/30/2012 10:53 PM

More info:

YouTube Video



Some speculation:

• This means that they COULD ACTUALLY RELEASE the original, unedited trilogy on BluRay.
• Disney owns Pixar, Marvel, Square, AND Star Wars now, so there will now almost certainly be a Kingdom Hearts videogame where Darth Vader fights against/with Sephiroth.
• Leia and Padme are now Disney Princesses.


They can't really do any worse at this point than Lucas, imo.



X :neo:

Chloe Frazer 10/30/2012 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost X
I think we're over-exposed to certain elements. There's got to be more to the universe than just the force magic tricks, and Jedi versus Sith.

On that they should take notes from The Old Republic since they have other stories than just Jedi versus Sith.

Alex Strife 10/30/2012 11:22 PM

"It's not like the new movies ruin the old ones. Those will continue to be there regardless".

Sounds to me like a lot of FF7 Compilation comments are applicable to this.

Charles Xavier 10/30/2012 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-SOLDIER (Post 472403)
More info:

YouTube Video



Some speculation:

This means that they COULD ACTUALLY RELEASE the original, unedited trilogy on BluRay.
Disney owns Pixar, Marvel, Square, AND Star Wars now, so there will now almost certainly be a Kingdom Hearts videogame where Darth Vader fights against/with Sephiroth.
Leia and Padme are now Disney Princesses.


They can't really do any worse at this point than Lucas, imo.



X :neo:

When you say Square, you mean Square-Enix? I highly doubt Disney owns that. Kingdom Hearts is merely a joint collaboration between the two companies. No?

Danseru-kun 10/30/2012 11:34 PM

I'm more thrilled to see the reaction of the die-hard SW fans. :wacky:

I love Star Wars and I really didn't hate the prequels, I don't think they were bad, only mediocre. I'll just wait and see and judge the new trilogy once I watch it.

Charles Xavier 10/31/2012 12:00 AM

And it appears that Mark Hamill isn't taking this recent news all too well. :D

(SPOILER)
YouTube Video


Edit: Guess I was right! Disney ARE going to push this all the way, claiming to make not only a new trilogy, but also to make a new Star Wars movie every 2/3 years. Wow...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/disney...210830937.html

X-SOLDIER 10/31/2012 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Xavier (Post 472411)
When you say Square, you mean Square-Enix? I highly doubt Disney owns that. Kingdom Hearts is merely a joint collaboration between the two companies. No?

Yeah, that's precisely what I meant. (I'm poasting at work while there're still supervisors here, which means that I tend to occasionally not double check my sentences). XD


X :neo:

Tetsujin 10/31/2012 12:43 AM

Someone should ask Peter Jackson if he feels like doing Star Wars when he wraps up the Hobbit. :awesome:

Danseru-kun 10/31/2012 12:49 AM

My gosh why did it take me so long to realize that Darth Vader isn't going to be in it in some way.

It's no Star Wars. :/

Literally Who? 10/31/2012 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danseru-kun (Post 472428)
My gosh why did it take me so long to realize that Darth Vader isn't going to be in it in some way.

It's no Star Wars. :/

That Robot pretending to be an Actor in the prequels was no Darth Vader :monster:

Theozilla 10/31/2012 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danseru-kun (Post 472412)
I'm more thrilled to see the reaction of the die-hard SW fans. :wacky:

I love Star Wars and I really didn't hate the prequels, I don't think they were bad, only mediocre. I'll just wait and see and judge the new trilogy once I watch it.

Same here, I personally never thought the prequels were bad, just mediocre/serviceable films (heck, I personally enjoy III as much IV).

Anyways as for the purchase itself, it is simply a good business decision, similar to Disney's purchase of Marvel. Disney gets to expand and diversify their consumer outreach and Lucasfilms properties get access to the resources of the #1 media company in the world. Also I don't see the existence of a VII film to be really anymore "blasphemous" than the existence of the Expanded Universe in comics, novels, and video games. Star Wars is a mega-franchise it would be bad business to actually ever try to "end" the franchise.
I do wonder what VII will be about though, is going to try to adapt stories from the EU? Or will it retcon it something original, or will it be something original that does not retcon anything?

LicoriceAllsorts 10/31/2012 02:15 AM

Can we just clear something up? Does Disney own Square-Enix? Yes/No.

The Man 10/31/2012 02:23 AM

No, they don't.

X-SOLDIER 10/31/2012 02:41 AM

Just throwing this in here: The best way to watch Star Wars is IV, V, II, III, VI.

It makes RotJ way, WAY better than it is without the two prequel films. It serves as an immediate flashback to the fall of Anakin, right after you learn about him & Luke, and gives you some background into who Vader is, as well as PLENTY of reason to fear the Emperor (while keeping both reveals TOTALLY intact). It also makes the gap between them rescuing Han seem more natural, and it actually seems like Luke's gonna fall to the Dark Side throughout the film.

Don't cry blasphemy 'til you try it.


That being said, I think that there's plenty of good stuff in the EXU to make films from, but I'm curious how things would continue and still be connected to the original films without some links with the original cast, if they're going to make "VII, VIII, & IX" and not just make "more Star Wars films".




X :neo:

Ghost X 10/31/2012 03:34 AM

I have no issue with replacing the actors who played the original cast, if those characters are required in the story.

X-SOLDIER 10/31/2012 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost X (Post 472440)
I have no issue with replacing the actors who played the original cast, if those characters are required in the story.

The big restraint that I've got about doing this would be that after seeing Palpatine in Episodes I-III, and VI it'd be odd having other actors playing the main continuing characters. The continuity of Star Wars feels pretty tight (though Ewan McGregor was a kickass young Obi-Wan Kenobi). If it really is Episodes VII-IX, everyone's older now, so it's still a possibility to have the original actors (plus we have the technology to anti-age them a bit if needed). It'd just be really weird having a non-Mark-Hamill Luke Skywalker, and a non-Harrison-Ford Han Solo - especially with all of the EXU content having their faces and being so used to seeing them.

I'm not saying I couldn't get over it if the films are good enough, but they'd have to have some pretty good reasons for why they'd do it.


X :neo:

Octo 10/31/2012 06:24 AM

Star Wars Episode Seven: Advent Children

1000 times no!

edit:lol ninjad by alex strife there.

Also jesus can we not learn the lessons of history? This is going to be mediocre at best. We can't have nice things anymore western popular culture is being sucked up it's own asshole.

/thesearetheendtimes

Owait am I being dramatic?:awesome:

Hisako 10/31/2012 08:28 AM

Why don't they just go and do that goddamn TV series

Goddamnit already

Captain Jack Harkness 10/31/2012 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost X (Post 472400)
Saying "Do we really need another Star Wars movie?" is like saying "Do we really need the expanded universe?"

well, i think it's a bit different.
i can't remember the first time i watched SW, i know all the saga by heart and this september i've done the SW marathon with the film in english instead italian, so i think a can consider myself 'a good SW fan'.
but i haven't read a single story of the EU and i don't think it put my has a B-class fan.
for me it's easer ignore the EU than a new SW movie.
i'll go to watch the film when it will come out but i'll probably never read the EU (for different reason).

Cthulhu 10/31/2012 02:04 PM

I believe I linked to a wikipedia article back on page #1, which noted that Lucas hisself had four triologies (4 x 3 = 12) movies in mind back in the late 70's, of which six have been made so far. Just so you know, :monster:.

Also Ford could totally still do Solo. He could still do Jones a few years ago, after all :monster:.

Fangu 10/31/2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cthulhu (Post 472473)
I believe I linked to a wikipedia article back on page #1, which noted that Lucas hisself had four triologies (4 x 3 = 12) movies in mind back in the late 70's, of which six have been made so far. Just so you know, :monster:.

why would you even explain that, this is something everybody knows

if they don't, DID YOU GROW UP ON MARS

/ SW fan raeg

Cthulhu 10/31/2012 02:17 PM

As a matter of fact, I did, :monster:.

What, you have problems with Martians?

Dana Scully 10/31/2012 02:38 PM

As much as I love Harrison Ford, I'm also hoping that the new movie will star entirely new people. Maybe a cameo or two from the original actors but that's it.

The Man 10/31/2012 04:31 PM

Mark Hamill should have a cameo as the Joker.

Oh wait, wrong franchise. Too bad he's a DC character rather than a Marvel character.

The Pyro 10/31/2012 04:40 PM

Alternately, he could turn up as Fire Lord Ozai and set fire to space, what with proximity to all those stars and comets and the like powering up his bending... which he doesn't have.

Obsidian Fire 10/31/2012 05:52 PM

The problem with having the new movies set too far into the future with none of the old characters we know is that a lot of historical exposition will have to happen. It would run the risk of not even being SW, but being a completely new universe where everything goes by the same name as stuff did in SW. At least with the new trilogy there was enough people around who we knew or had heard of to convice us that this was in fact the SW universe.

The EU also presents the problem that parts of it have become almost as canon as the movies. Retconing the EU would probably make a lot of people cry foul and disconect them from the new movies.

Incedently, does anyone else like the novel of III better then the movie?

The Man 10/31/2012 05:53 PM

Never read it.

They could always just film parts of the EU. The Thrawn trilogy is practically begging to be made into films. The only problem is, how do you pare each book down to a 2.5h film? Would be better as a miniseries.

Also I should probably point out that the prequel trilogy also retconned portions of the EU, which is one of the reasons it sucked. The stuff the PT retconned was much more interesting than the PT itself.

Tetsujin 10/31/2012 07:57 PM

You know what I just realized?

The movies being owned and distributed by Disney would mean...no more 20th Century Fox fanfare before the movies.

RUINED FOREVER.

(seriously, that fanfare is kinda as much part of the movies as the iconic opening crawl and the Star Wars theme itself...it was even included on the original trilogy 2-disc soundtrack releases)

Ghost X 10/31/2012 08:35 PM

Disney are saying that it will be a completely new story unattached to the original. This gets my approval, if they mean same mythology, different everything else.

Octo 10/31/2012 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsujin (Post 472512)
You know what I just realized?

The movies being owned and distributed by Disney would mean...no more 20th Century Fox fanfare before the movies.

RUINED FOREVER.

(seriously, that fanfare is kinda as much part of the movies as the iconic opening crawl and the Star Wars theme itself...it was even included on the original trilogy 2-disc soundtrack releases)

Jesus...I never thought of that....

does this mean now its going to be:

YouTube Video


@_@

Tetsujin 10/31/2012 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Someone named Octo (Post 472517)
Jesus...I never thought of that....

does this mean now its going to be:

YouTube Video


@_@

^ More like this:

YouTube Video

Charles Xavier 10/31/2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsujin (Post 472520)
^ More like this:

YouTube Video

Don't forget the Tie Fighters swopping by the castle.

Edit: I'm glad Disney's going to focus on a new batch of characters rather than the old ones. I think the entire story with Luke, Han, Leia and co. is complete and doesn't need any more development or progression. I say leave it be and start with a fresh new story, but in the same universe of course.

Hey, maybe that's what Disney should do if they ever come across making 'Toy Story 4'. Again, introduce a new batch of characters and leave Buzz, Woody etc. out of the limelight and/or give them little supporting roles. I think that's a fair compromise.

Obsidian Fire 10/31/2012 10:09 PM

My problem with doing all new characters is that the PT had a very different design (sleek and shiny) from the OT (grime and grungy). If there hadn't been any old characters we knew, I'd have a hard time buying that this is the SW universe. So not having characters we know makes me leary. I guess I'm worried that they'll just want to cash in on the SW name and throw even more world-building/actualy good plots into the wind.

And I like the old Disney logo; the new one feels to "big" for just being part of the credits.

Literally Who? 10/31/2012 10:19 PM

I hope the castle intro is relevant to the series like what they did with Tron.

YouTube Video

The Man 10/31/2012 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsujin (Post 472512)
You know what I just realized?

The movies being owned and distributed by Disney would mean...no more 20th Century Fox fanfare before the movies.

RUINED FOREVER.

(seriously, that fanfare is kinda as much part of the movies as the iconic opening crawl and the Star Wars theme itself...it was even included on the original trilogy 2-disc soundtrack releases)

Damn, I hadn't even thought of this. I don't even like Fox and this still bothers me. The fanfare is such a part of the films they even included it on every single soundtrack album.

Ghost X 10/31/2012 11:44 PM

I may have misinterpreted what I read, so disregard my last post :monster:.

Here's some articles, go read them instead:

io9 article
wikipedia article

Charles Xavier 10/31/2012 11:50 PM

You guys wait until Disney decides to buy everything related to 'The Lord of the Rings' and 'The Hobbit'. Won't that be the day. :awesome:

The Man 10/31/2012 11:51 PM

Not sure how I feel about them making new stories with the original characters. If these suck, we'll be forever comparing them to the Thrawn trilogy. So they'd better not suck.

Charles Xavier 10/31/2012 11:53 PM

I can envision an old Luke fending off Sand people with his lightsaber....whilst on a wheelchair.

The Man 10/31/2012 11:58 PM

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http://i.minus.com/ibyJw1h1nxM5oR.png

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X-SOLDIER 11/01/2012 03:13 AM

The lack of 20th Century Fox Fanfare does make me sad, but I'm sure that they'll do something awesome to make up for it.

I really do think that it'll be important to connect VII with the original trilogy in a way that people can relate to, even if it's only using some of the original cast for a short time, similar to Obi-Wan's role in the original trilogy. The Clone Wars has told a lot of good stories, but that's because it's slowly built from the main cast of people we know before departing to new characters' stories.


I bet Fox is glad they got done with the Star Wars Family Guy just in time.


Also this.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A...QMDQ/NOOOO.png


X :neo:

Tennyo 11/01/2012 04:21 AM

Is it bad that I burst out laughing when I saw this thread?

Tetsujin 11/01/2012 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henri Ducard (Post 472531)
I hope the castle intro is relevant to the series like what they did with Tron.

I thought about this too.
They should make a Coruscant version of the castle. :lol:

Hisako 11/01/2012 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obsidian Fire (Post 472530)
My problem with doing all new characters is that the PT had a very different design (sleek and shiny) from the OT (grime and grungy). If there hadn't been any old characters we knew, I'd have a hard time buying that this is the SW universe. So not having characters we know makes me leary. I guess I'm worried that they'll just want to cash in on the SW name and throw even more world-building/actualy good plots into the wind.

And I like the old Disney logo; the new one feels to "big" for just being part of the credits.

The prequel trilogy was a purposeful design shift away from the OT since they were trying to get the whole "golden age of the Republic" thing across. I'm sure that they can go straight back to the whole dirty-grimy thing, since we're living in that age now where everyone's cynical and the fanbase is now ancient and we'd be pretty cool with a more noir-ish approach to the setting.

Hell, that's what SW: 1313 is for. :monster: AND MAYBE THE TV SERIES IF THEY EVER FEEL LIKE MAKING IT ANYTIME THIS NEXT DECADE

Tetsujin 11/01/2012 11:32 AM

Mark Hamill about the news Star Wars movies:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=69501

Ghost X 11/01/2012 12:04 PM

Not sure if Disney using Lucas story ideas is a good idea, given his recent record :monster:.

Pixel 11/01/2012 12:38 PM

I would have thought it would be something like this time period, about 25 years after the original movies... i just want to see chewbacca die :P

Jacen Solo seems to have an interesting story, but it would end up being a rehash of Anakin's arc episode 1-3

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The New Jedi Order era

25 – 29 ABY – The Yuuzhan Vong War
See Timeline of the Yuuzhan Vong War

25 ABY
The Yuuzhan Vong invade the galaxy.
Chewbacca dies at Sernpidal.
The New Republic Historical Council sets the year of the Battle of Yavin to the year zero, adopting the current date system.

26 ABY
Ben Skywalker is born to Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade.
Destruction of Kalarba, its moon Indobok, and Hosk Station.
The Jedi Order is driven off Yavin 4 by the Yuuzhan Vong.
Sriluur is overrun by the Yuuzhan Vong.
Nyriaan is conquered by the Yuuzhan Vong.[42]

27 ABY
The Yuuzhan Vong conquer Coruscant, renaming it for their dead home planet, Yuuzhan'tar.
Anakin Solo dies on Myrkr.
Chief of State Borsk Fey'lya is killed.
Cal Omas is elected Chief of State.
Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo becomes Queen Mother of the Hapes Consortium.
The Bothans declare a state of ar'krai for the first time in millennia.
First YVH 1 droid, YVH 1-1A, is released.
Jacen Solo is imprisoned by the Yuuzhan Vong.
The Voxyn are destroyed on Myrkr.

28 ABY
The YVH-M droids are created by Lando Calrissian.
The New Republic is reorganized into the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances.
Nas Choka is escalated to Warmaster.
Ssi-ruuk foiled attempt of a second invasion of Bakura.
Jacen Solo escapes his imprisonment.

29 ABY
Radical—and still partially obscure—changes occur in the Chiss Expansionary Defense Force and Chiss society in general.
Admiral Ackbar dies.
Coruscant is liberated from the Yuuzhan Vong.
Zonama Sekot forges a peace accord between the Galactic Alliance and the Yuuzhan Vong. The war ends after five years of fighting.
Jacen Solo begins his search for the Force in an effort to determine if Vergere is right.


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