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The Man 02/24/2015 08:58 PM

The Lifestream ranks Final Fantasy songs
 
I sort of feel like running a new event relating to the Final Fantasy series, but having a "The Lifestream ranks Final Fantasy games" event would be boring because it's pretty obvious FFVII would win (this is, after all, an FFVII site). I guess I could just exclude FFVII from consideration to find out what people's second favourite game would be, but I don't feel like doing that either. So I think focusing on one of the best parts of the games, their soundtracks, would be a better idea.

I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to do this yet, but I think we should have people nominate a set amount of songs each and then when people have gotten to a nice power of two I can start setting up brackets. I'm open to suggestions on what that set amount should be, though I think I'm probably going to go with 256 songs total for the contest all told. The brackets will probably be randomly generated so if "One-Winged Angel" faces off against "Dancing Mad" in the first round, that's just the way it will have to go.

Anyway, discuss the idea, make suggestions, etc. I'll probably open a nominations thread in a few days after people have had time to discuss it a bit.

Obsidian Fire 02/24/2015 10:24 PM

Yes!!!! :D

Flintlock 02/25/2015 03:03 AM

It has been my plan for quite a while to have some sort of battle/contest in March - it's already on the event calendar. I was going to make a thread about it as soon as the Chrono Trigger playthrough was over, but you've beaten me to it.

I'd be happy for you to run it, though, and I like the topic you've chosen. Let me know if you need any help with it.

While the random bracket format can be exciting, it certainly doesn't produce a ranking (see thread title). The only guarantee would be that the #1 song would win. The #2 song might get eliminated in the first round.

I like the combination of a group stage and knockout stage that is used in lots of sporting events. The group stage reduces the risk of a favourite going out too early, as multiple teams (/songs) can qualify from each group, and the knockout stage adds excitement at the end.

256 songs would mean 255 match-ups in your system, which is a lot. Even if you decide to stick with it, I'd suggest halving the starting number to 128, which would need 127 threads. If you agree to use a hybrid system, 128 would allow 16 groups of 8, and if two qualify from each group, you'll only have to make a total of 16+31 = 47 threads.

The Man 02/25/2015 03:10 AM

I wasn't necessarily going to do one match-up for each pair of songs. I was thinking of starting out having four or eight entries per poll and then having maybe the top two (if it's eight) or one (if it's four) advance to the next round. But there could obviously be other ways of doing it, too.

Anyway, I like a lot of what else you've said. Do you have more information on how to run a group stage/knockout contest?

Flintlock 02/25/2015 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Man (Post 624010)
I wasn't necessarily going to do one match-up for each pair of songs. I was thinking of starting out having four or eight entries per poll and then having maybe the top two (if it's eight) or one (if it's four) advance to the next round. But there could obviously be other ways of doing it, too.

In that case, your idea was basically the same as mine. Carry on. :monster:

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Anyway, I like a lot of what else you've said. Do you have more information on how to run a group stage/knockout contest?
I think the key is to keep things simple and understandable. As much as I'm always tempted to use a complicated voting system to get the fairest result possible, it's probably best to stick to one of vBulletin's built-in polls (either single or multiple choice). We want lots of people to participate, and it's surprising how many people are willing to choose an option and press "vote" but not actually write anything about their choice.

The Man 02/25/2015 03:47 AM

Yeah, I was pretty certain I was going to stick to what's possible with vBulletin's software. Having Australian balloting to pick the best song would be nice, but not really practical.

The Man 03/02/2015 08:40 AM

So anyway, seeing as it's March now, should I just go ahead and start a nomination thread? If so, should I place a limit on how many songs each person can nominate, or should I just allow people to keep nominating until we reach 256 (or whatever)?

Flintlock 03/02/2015 09:27 AM

I still think 256 songs is too many, but if you're set on that number, I won't stop you. It's just more work for you. :monster: Actually, I can help with the threads as well if you feel like it's too much for one person.

So yeah, open a nominations thread. It's probably best to have some kind of limit, otherwise someone could come in and say "the entire soundtracks of Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX" and then you'd have to close the nominations. :P

The Man 03/02/2015 09:44 AM

Yeah, I should specify at least that a person can't just nominate every single song from a game or something :monster: Idk. I'm sleepy. I'll try to set up something logistically sensible tomorrow.

Flintlock 10/29/2015 03:19 PM

We've ended up with 280 nominations. Here's how we'll proceed:

Every day from this Saturday, the 31st of October - when our Halloween contest closes - for 10 days (with a couple of rest days), I'll put up two multiple-choice polls of 14 songs each. You will be able to vote for up to four songs in each poll (vBulletin doesn't have the ability to enforce this, so you'll have to be careful). You can also pick one poll in which you can vote for more than four songs. The top four songs from each poll will go through to the next round, excluding ties. If that gives us less than 100 songs in total, the songs with the most votes that didn't make their group's top four will qualify. If there are ties, the songs with the best rank within their group will qualify. If there are still ties, I'll either include a few extra songs or run a play-off poll, depending on how many there are.

I just completed the random draw for the first round, which you can see here. :)

The second round will take another 10 days, approximately. I'll put up one poll of 10 songs each day. You'll be able to vote for three songs in each poll, and again, you'll be able to break that limit in one poll. The top three songs in each poll will make it through to the next round, excluding ties, with the remaining places being filled by the best runners-up. If there are ties, the songs with the best rank within their group will qualify. If there are still ties, the song with the better ranking in round 1 will qualify. If there are still ties after that, I'll have to flip a coin or something, because the limit of 32 songs won't be flexible, as it was in the first round.

Once we've got a top 32, we'll have the traditional head-to-head brackets to bring us down to 16, 8, 4, 2 and 1.

The polls in the first round will run for three days, and every other poll will run for two, giving us a whopping 61 polls (62 if we have a third-place play-off), taking us through to mid-December. Hopefully the TLS awards can wait until then to start, because I really don't want to compress this any more than it already is. The awards started on the 26th of December last year so it shouldn't be a problem.

It's going to be a bit of a slog to get through the first two rounds in particular, which is why I would have preferred to start with far fewer songs, but that was Aaron's decision and it would be wrong to ignore any of the nominated songs. I won't be asking people to explain their choices until we get to the second round, though they will be free to do so at any time, of course.

If there are any objections to this format, you've got until Sunday!

Edit: a quick word on the names of the songs. I'll be using the "official" names where possible, by which I mean the English-language names that Square Enix have used in their most recent soundtrack releases. That might be a bit jarring in some cases - "Anxiety" instead of "Anxious Heart", for instance - but it's just about the only way to be consistent, since there are so many variations of the Japanese translations.

Jason Tandro 10/29/2015 05:07 PM

My goodness, seems like we'll end up with a March Madness of music!

Anybody want to submit prediction brackets? (No honestly when we get down to like the top 50ish that might be kind of fun, lol)

Thanks for taking on such a behemoth of a task, Flint!

Flintlock 10/29/2015 06:41 PM

Perhaps when we get to the last 32. :)

Monterosa 10/29/2015 08:00 PM

Yessssss! Thanks big bro. I've been looking forward to this since the spring. It's going to be like choosing between lovers, but I can't wait to see how it pans out.

Flintlock 10/29/2015 09:32 PM

Looking at the groups, I can already foresee people struggling to pick as few as four songs in certain groups (*cough* nine). I want to try and get a top 100 that is as close as possible to our "true" top 100, but vB doesn't have anything like preferential voting, so we have to find workarounds. And here's what I thought up:

You can pick one group from the 20 in the first round and vote for as many songs in that group as you want.

Just make a post saying "I'm using my joker" in the corresponding thread. Posting a picture of Kefka is optional.

I also thought that it would be a good idea to have the first round's polls run for three days, since there are so many songs to choose from in each one. That will only add one day to the total (since the others overlap), so I thought I'd start on Saturday. That's when the Halloween contest poll closes so there won't be much overlap, if any.

Monterosa 10/30/2015 05:20 PM

All of the above sounds good. I imagine some people will be unaware of or ignore the "only vote for four except in your joker round" rule though.

Flintlock 10/30/2015 05:24 PM

I'll try my best to make it clear. There'll be an announcement up shortly.

Monterosa 10/30/2015 05:29 PM

Gah, group one is just so hard for me already. I can just about whittle it down to five from a shortlist of seven... But then I would be pained to see any of those five not go through.

I feel like using a joker just for one extra song is a bit pointless and if I choose more than five it might dilute the chances of those ones I truly love. Tough one.

Flintlock 10/30/2015 06:03 PM

I don't want to encourage tactical voting, but... you could vote tactically. :P

The announcement is now up. I'll put it here as well since it will only be visible until Monday. I'll get around to making a front page post as well.

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Hi everyone,

If you hadn't already noticed, we're about to have an enormous Final Fantasy music event here at The Lifestream. Thanks to your nominations, we've gathered 280 of the best songs from the series, and over the course of the next month and a half, we're going to compile a top 100 ranking.

The first round of the event starts tomorrow, Saturday the 31st of October. Here's how it will work:

There are 20 groups of 14 songs each. These groups have already been randomly drawn - you'll find them here - so you can start thinking about your favourites in each group. There are also Youtube playlists here.

I'll post the polls for two groups each day. The polls will be open for three days (72 hours).

You will have four votes in each poll. Our forum software can't enforce this limit, so please count your votes! I'll check afterwards as well.

Because there's bound to be a group that contains more than four of your best-loved songs, you have the chance to cast as many votes as you wish in one poll. Choose carefully - once you've used this "joker", you won't be able to change it to a different poll.

You don't have to give explanations for your votes, though you are welcome to do so.

The top four songs, excluding ties, in each poll will make it through to the next round. The remaining 20 places will be filled by the songs with the most votes which didn't make their group's top four. Songs will be seeded in the next round according to how many votes they receive in this round, so every vote matters!

If you have any questions, you can post them in the event's discussion thread. I hope lots of you take part, it's going to be a blast. :D

- Your Community Manager, Flintlock

NB A couple of extra points for those who care:

In order to be consistent, I'm using the "official" song titles that Square Enix have released. In many cases, these aren't the same as the previous translations. I'll try to include the best-known alternative titles in the poll threads, but I thought I should give you a bit of warning, since some of the modern titles are markedly different from what you might be used to.

In a similar vein, my Youtube playlists contain the original versions of each nominated song. You are free to base your vote on any version of the song - we're effectively voting on compositions, so as not to weigh the event down with duplicates - and if you feel strongly about a particular version, feel free to post it in the poll thread. :) When it comes to making a video/playlist of our final top 100, then I'll ask for version preferences, so don't worry about it until then.

Monterosa 10/31/2015 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Flintlock (Post 665201)
The top four songs in each poll will make it through to the next round. The remaining 20 places will be filled by the songs with the most votes which didn't make their group's top four. Songs will be seeded in the next round according to how many votes they receive in this round, so every vote matters!

I'm very glad to see this. Looking at Group 9, there are far more than just four songs worthy of the top 100. I think I know when my joker's coming out to play.

Flintlock 10/31/2015 03:26 PM

We are underway!

Jason Tandro 10/31/2015 03:58 PM

Voted in the first two groups. Haven't used my "freebie" yet as I found this very easy to find my four favorites in these groups, but I'm sure that will change. Brilliant bit of separation and piecing it all together Flint, I can't wait to see what comes of this!

RedFFWolf 10/31/2015 04:48 PM

Already it's so difficult and yet so perfectly so. I'm gonna enjoy this so much, but I am not gonna sleep well at night. I'll be haunted by the dying sound of beautiful melodies reminding me why I should've voted for them :P

Airling 10/31/2015 05:32 PM

I am disproportionately excited about this!!!:excited: Lets face it, the music is at least half the reason we even play Final Fantasy.:wacky::geek:

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Originally Posted by Flintlock


This picture makes me want to be where-ever that is so very much.

Flintlock 11/02/2015 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterosa (Post 665251)
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Originally Posted by Flintlock (Post 665201)
The top four songs in each poll will make it through to the next round. The remaining 20 places will be filled by the songs with the most votes which didn't make their group's top four. Songs will be seeded in the next round according to how many votes they receive in this round, so every vote matters!

I'm very glad to see this. Looking at Group 9, there are far more than just four songs worthy of the top 100. I think I know when my joker's coming out to play.

I'm actually going to refine this slightly further: if there is a clear top 4 in a poll, with no ties, they'll all qualify automatically, but if there are songs tied for fourth place, they'll have to compete with the "best runners-up" on vote counts. Unless anybody objects to this change, that is.

I'm just a bit worried that a group with, say, three stand-out songs will finish with another three songs tied for fourth place with only a handful of votes. They shouldn't necessarily take priority over the fifth- or sixth-placed song in a group with six stand-out songs (and we definitely have a couple of those).

Edit: also, in case anyone's wondering about the spreadsheet, I've been writing the functions to automatically determine if a song will qualify from this stage of the event or not, so don't be surprised if you see partial or even completely fictitious data in there while I test it out.

Flintlock 11/05/2015 03:14 PM

Announcement: since we've reached the half-way point of the first round, I'm going to take a day off from posting new polls so we can all catch our breath. Keep yourself entertained by looking at the upcoming polls and all the nifty stats I've compiled in the event spreadsheet. :)

Monterosa 11/05/2015 03:48 PM

I just want to say that I'm loving this event so far. I'm on TLS every day and, with this post, I've finally reached a milestone of 100 posts made. ^^

Thanks for giving us a day off. I have a lot of catching up to do. I keep thinking I can just listen in the background, but these songs demand my full attention.

Flintlock 11/05/2015 03:49 PM

:congorats:

Flintlock 11/05/2015 04:18 PM

Sorry for double post, but this needs a bump:

I had a realisation today. One of my last "rounding up to 280" nominations was the Opening Theme from the original Final Fantasy game, because I thought it should be in the mix, but it turns out that Prologue from Final Fantasy IV is exactly the same composition, just from a different game. So, unless anybody objects (it's possible that someone has already looked at 14, thought it was a tough group, considered saving their joker for it but then used it in an earlier group), I'm going to replace it.

There's a couple of songs not in the competition which I keep thinking about, because I reckon they'd do well:

The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy VIII)
Dark Messenger (Final Fantasy IX)

Update: see below.

I was going to ask you to choose between them, but then I realised that one of my other final nominations was basically a duplicate as well (Zephyr Memories ~ Legend of the Eternal Wind, almost the same as Eternal Wind, even though I prefer the newer version), so fuck it, I'm putting them both in. Again, unless anybody objects?

Airling 11/05/2015 04:27 PM

I think you just became my hero...

Doom Bunneh 11/05/2015 04:27 PM

Yes please! I know I wasn't involved in the original nominations, but this would make me so happy! Especially Dark Messenger, damn but I love that song, I sometimes play a youtube video that has a half hour loop of it while I work out and stuff.

RedFFWolf 11/05/2015 04:30 PM

The Man with the Machine Gun and Dark Messenger??
Why, if anybody objects, send them my way and I swear I'll...I'LL politely tell them off, sir :)

Minato 11/05/2015 04:59 PM

Yeah good call. I must've thought Man with the Machine Gun was already in or I most def would have nominated it.

Flintlock 11/05/2015 10:54 PM

Update: I boobed. I didn't realise that we already had Dark Messenger, under the title "The Darkness of Eternity". Even though I checked all the names myself, I still forgot that one. :P

So, we have a free slot. Any last-minute nominations, something you've been kicking yourself for not suggesting earlier? Here are some I'd like:

The Day Will Come (V)
Locke's Theme (VI)
Holding My Thoughts in my Heart (VII)
Force Your Way (VIII)
The Spy (VIII)
South Gate (IX)
Conde Petie (IX)

(I'd better stop...)

Monterosa mentioned The Skycity of Bhujerba to me in a recent conversation, and that's a nice tune as well. We've got a couple of days to think about it, so, what do you think? You don't have to pick something I've suggested.

Minato 11/05/2015 10:59 PM

Force Your Way, all the way.

Kuroto 11/05/2015 11:55 PM

I've been thinking about Lenna's Theme from FFV.

YouTube Video

Lex 11/06/2015 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterosa (Post 665851)
I just want to say that I'm loving this event so far. I'm on TLS every day and, with this post, I've finally reached a milestone of 100 posts made. ^^

Thanks for giving us a day off. I have a lot of catching up to do. I keep thinking I can just listen in the background, but these songs demand my full attention.

You should interact moar. You're related to Flint which means you're automatically awesome, and you can never have enough awesome on TLS <3

Monterosa 11/06/2015 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lex (Post 665950)
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Originally Posted by Monterosa (Post 665851)
I just want to say that I'm loving this event so far. I'm on TLS every day and, with this post, I've finally reached a milestone of 100 posts made. ^^

Thanks for giving us a day off. I have a lot of catching up to do. I keep thinking I can just listen in the background, but these songs demand my full attention.

You should interact moar. You're related to Flint which means you're automatically awesome, and you can never have enough awesome on TLS <3

I'm usually around for the competitions and events. So if you want me to stay, now you know the way to hold me down ;)

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Force Your Way, all the way.
I second this, though I would also be happy with Lenna's Theme as Kuroto has suggested or Skycity of Bhujerba as I mentioned. In terms of which song I think is the most important, I would say Force Your Way.

I think we have enough FFVII and FFIX songs, so I would personally rather not have any more from those games.

Airling 11/06/2015 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterosa (Post 665972)
I think we have enough FFVII and FFIX songs, so I would personally rather not have any more from those games.

You're probably right. And yet I can't help but nominate

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or

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:geek:

Edit: It seems Prelude isn't included.

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Feels like a must! But they all do. Gah!

Flintlock 11/06/2015 10:48 AM

I've thought about the Prelude as well but I don't know how many people would actually vote for it.

Doom Bunneh 11/06/2015 11:26 AM

Do we have the battle theme from FFIV on the list? I tried checking the names but the only one I could find was "Battle 1", and that isn't on the list. If not, then I nominate it :D

Monterosa 11/06/2015 03:33 PM

You know, I think we need The Oath from Final Fantasy VIII:

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Flintlock 11/06/2015 03:41 PM

I almost suggested that before I decided I had made enough suggestions already. So +1 from me on that.

This is a very informal vote, but it looks like we've got three people in favour of Force Your Way, two for Lenna's Theme, The Skycity of Bhujerba, Prelude and The Oath, and one for everything else that has been brought up. Maybe I'll take whichever song gets to four nominations first.

RedFFWolf 11/06/2015 04:48 PM

I'll also throw in my vote for "The Oath"

Flare 11/06/2015 05:17 PM

I vote for Prelude! To me that was the initial broad FF theme I'd heard first, before I happened upon the real FF theme. Anyway, it's a simple repeat melody but has a lovely tune with the ascending and descending notes in quick succession.

Flintlock 11/06/2015 09:47 PM

It's late in the day and I haven't had a chance to put the new polls up yet, so I guess we'll take another day off. Sorry to anyone who had their hopes up, but this way the entire first half will close before we get started on the second, which has a certain neatness to it that I appreciate. :)

Kuroto 11/06/2015 09:50 PM

This gives me more time to catch up a bit. So no worries. :)

Flintlock 11/07/2015 05:30 PM

We've now reached the half-way point of the first round. There's a long way to go yet - I hope you've got the stamina for it - but we already know quite a fair chunk of our top 100:

Main Theme of Final Fantasy VII
Birth of a God
Vamo Alla Flamenco
Cid's Theme
One-Winged Angel
Not Alone
Festival of the Hunt
Jenova Complete
Cosmo Canyon
Battle at the Big Bridge
Something to Protect
Fight On!
Terra
The Castle
Aerith's Theme
Ending Theme
Succession of Witches
The Price of Freedom
Zanarkand
Blinded by Light
Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec
Battle 2
The Extreme
Kefka
Dancing Mad
Judgment Day
Words Drowned by Fireworks
The Landing
Maybe I'm a Lion
Fang's Theme
The Veldt
Besaid
Servants of the Mountain
Under the Apple Tree
Yuna's Ballad
Auron's Theme
Setzer's Theme
Silver Dragon
Kiss Me Goodbye

Many more songs still have a chance of qualifying. At the moment, my spreadsheet predicts that 7 votes will be enough to get through, but that number could still rise, as most people haven't used their unlimited-vote "jokers" yet.

We also know that some songs definitely won't qualify. At the moment, anything with three votes or fewer is out. Four to six votes is "unlikely" territory at the moment.

There are still plenty of great songs coming up in the second half - and we've got space for one more nomination (I'll probably pick Prelude if nobody else has an opinion). I hope you've all enjoyed it so far. :)

Kuroto 11/07/2015 11:07 PM

Now that I listened to Oath I'm really astonished how many good songs were not nominated for this. :O I know that I would have definitely nominated Prelude if I had realised that it wasn't there already. Probably Oath too, had I known the song at the time.

Flintlock 11/07/2015 11:30 PM

Apparently there are more than 280 good songs in the series. :monster:

I think I'll go ahead and put the Prelude into group 13 since it's due to start tomorrow.

Kuroto 11/07/2015 11:39 PM

I'm sure not all of the people here think that all the songs in the groups are all that good. :P For someone there might be only 20 songs that are good in those groups because that was the amount that one person was allowed to nominate.

I'm not saying there are really bad songs either, but I think that Oath, for example, is better than some songs that are in there. Subjective opinion.

Flintlock 11/07/2015 11:43 PM

Oh, totally. It's unfortunate that there was such a big gap between nominations and voting, since our active user base has changed considerably in the meantime. I think it's a bit sad to see some songs getting no votes, since it presumably means that the people who nominated them aren't around at the moment.

Kuroto 11/08/2015 12:08 AM

Yeah. I have to say that I've had to decide not to vote for some of the songs I have nominated because there has been at least one group in which there was three songs that I had nominated.

I think it's also a bit sad that it seems that the number of voters has decreased. Not by many but considering that the first two groups had 25 voters but some of the later groups had only 20.

Jason Tandro 11/08/2015 01:40 PM

I have to say an interesting thing about the FFs is there are also some iconic sound effects that drip with nostalgia for each game.

FF6 I'll always remember Kefka's laugh.
FF7 I'll remember the scary as hell planet wailing sound you hear in the observatory.
FF8 honestly I've played it so much the sound effect that plays when you select New Game hits me in the nostalgia button.
FF9 oddly it's Zidane's footsteps on the wooden boards in airship at the beginning.

FF2? Click, click, click, back. Click, click, click, back, click click, click, back.

Flintlock 11/12/2015 10:54 PM

I've updated the spreadsheet with a couple of new features.

There's a new tab, "Voter stats 2", that shows you what percentage of each song's games you've voted for. Example: FFVII has 38 songs in the event; if you've voted for 19 of them, it'll show 50 (%).

"Voter stats" has been renamed "Voter stats 1" and now shows you what percentage of your total votes have gone to each game. It also shows you how many games you've voted for (the column is called "Games >0") and which game or games you've given the most votes to.

The "Game stats" tab has been updated to reflect that last piece of information - it shows how many voters have each game as their top game, in the column called "Top voters".

Finally, I updated all of Matthewtheman's votes to Phoenix Wright. :P

Doom Bunneh 11/13/2015 05:06 AM

That is some fantastic stuff! I just want to say thanks Flint, you're running this whole thing brilliantly, and I've been having a lot of fun so far.

:salute:

RedFFWolf 11/13/2015 02:07 PM

^Ditto to everything :)

Voter Stats II is an interesting addition. I didn't realise I was that much of a whore for FFVIII music. It's just too good
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Flintlock 11/13/2015 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Vimes (Post 667281)
That is some fantastic stuff! I just want to say thanks Flint, you're running this whole thing brilliantly, and I've been having a lot of fun so far.

:salute:

You know me: if something's worth doing, it's worth doing right. :) I've enjoyed running it so far, even if I'm one of the people with the fewest songs I've voted for going through to the top 100. :sigh:

Flare 11/13/2015 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Vimes (Post 667281)
That is some fantastic stuff! I just want to say thanks Flint, you're running this whole thing brilliantly, and I've been having a lot of fun so far.

:salute:

Agree with this wholeheartedly. This is the first time I've been around for this and it's a lot of fun, so thanks Flint for doing all this! :loveglomp:
Also apparently I'm a sucker for IX's music. I didn't realize I voted for quite so many FFIX songs. :wacky:

Flintlock 11/14/2015 07:33 AM

Remember folks, the last polls in round 1 close today, in about nine hours. Groups 19 and 20 have both been voted on by 18 people so far, but the average has been around 22, so some people need to get their butts in gear!

Lex 11/14/2015 08:42 AM

You have been running this whole thing fabulously, kudos <3


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