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Splintered 06/20/2012 03:13 AM

I want PM's. There are certain aspects of public spectacles of the moderation process that never sat right to me. So I think that at least the votes should be purely secret.

I don't want members looking at the numbers and thinking "so close" or "he's losing I'll vote for him because I can't think of a second person" "what a fucking popularity contest, I bet those two votes are from her friends" or "joke vote lol, look at me" but most importantly, I don't want people to look at those votes and see that if they didn't get any votes or almost none at all feel like shit. Yeah it's tough love. But this mod shit can get extremely sour and if you can take the few minutes to avoid that extra discomfort. I'd like that.

Vendel 06/20/2012 04:44 AM

A vote on how to vote......?

Octo 06/20/2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond Pickaxe (Post 451862)
A vote on how to vote......?

INCEPTION!

Is it even possible to have a non-PM poll, where the results are kept secret until the end? Because I want people to vote for who they want, and not just who they think might get in based on what the numbers look like to them at the time of voting y'know? Because thats a transitory thing anyway.

http://www.learnmyself.com/personality.asp?p=new-poll

^This site is probably crap I dunno, but something along those lines could work? They have the option for results to remain secret etc etc.

Theres probably other similar sites out there? :/

Madame Mayor 06/20/2012 01:57 PM

I kind of like that idea Octo, except I'd be worried it could be taken advantage of (people voting multiple times from different computers or something).

I don't care about threads with voting, doing the whole round 1-2-3(?) thing sounds alright. Extra rounds means you don't need to worry if your second choice isn't in second place because you can vote for them next time around.

I guess I still prefer individual voting threads for individual candidates because I don't just want to see how many people say yes, and yes over the other candidates, I want to see the people who say 'no I don't feel comfortable with this person having mod powers'. What I'd worry about in the poll with everyone on it thing is 'so-and-so is in the lead, and I really don't feel like they should be a mod, so I'll vote for [blank] because they wouldn't be as bad but I also don't really support them as a mod'.

I don't see it as a 'most votes [yes] wins' thing either, but more of a 'lets look at these results' and then staff make the final decision based on these results.

Voting would obviously be anonymus, if poll results can be hidden until you've voted as well that would also be preferrable (ya you could ask people who have voted but if you'll put that much effort into lol oh well).

Ghost X 06/20/2012 02:03 PM

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Voting would obviously be anonymus, if poll results can be hidden until you've voted as well that would also be preferrable
:monster:

Madame Mayor 06/20/2012 02:06 PM

Well it was in response to this:

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Because I want people to vote for who they want, and not just who they think might get in based on what the numbers look like to them at the time of voting y'know?

Ryushikaze 06/20/2012 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Mayor (Post 451916)
I kind of like that idea Octo, except I'd be worried it could be taken advantage of (people voting multiple times from different computers or something).

I don't care about threads with voting, doing the whole round 1-2-3(?) thing sounds alright. Extra rounds means you don't need to worry if your second choice isn't in second place because you can vote for them next time around.

I guess I still prefer individual voting threads for individual candidates because I don't just want to see how many people say yes, and yes over the other candidates, I want to see the people who say 'no I don't feel comfortable with this person having mod powers'. What I'd worry about in the poll with everyone on it thing is 'so-and-so is in the lead, and I really don't feel like they should be a mod, so I'll vote for [blank] because they wouldn't be as bad but I also don't really support them as a mod'.

I don't see it as a 'most votes [yes] wins' thing either, but more of a 'lets look at these results' and then staff make the final decision based on these results.

Voting would obviously be anonymus, if poll results can be hidden until you've voted as well that would also be preferrable (ya you could ask people who have voted but if you'll put that much effort into lol oh well).

This is why I proposed the +/- ballot, as it lets you weigh for and against each nominee all at once, would be conducted in secret, yet with a paper trail that could be followed if needed, and wouldn't be prone to 'oh, let's shore those numbers up,' or other reaction voting, since this is a serious poll.

I'll check if VB polls can be hidden until closed under our current setup, however.

Octo 06/20/2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Mayor (Post 451916)
I kind of like that idea Octo, except I'd be worried it could be taken advantage of (people voting multiple times from different computers or something)

Yeah that could be an issue....Also, are we able to put anything in place to stop people creating new accounts just to vote? I don't like the idea of Vigara4U.com2184 skewing the results :lol:

Hisako 06/21/2012 09:53 AM

I'm sure we could just exclude votes from members that have joined the forum after the polls are put up. :wacky:

My memory is hazy on this but I'm fairly sure there's something available in vB that can keep poll results hidden.

There has to be something. :monster:

Lex 06/21/2012 02:26 PM

I thought transparency was the best idea until I read the above posts. Now I'm definitely thinking it'll be better to keep the results hidden at least until after the voting is finished. I really don't care how we actually vote, just that it gets done, it's traceable to each username (so there's no funny business) and that the results stay hidden until after the vote takes place.

The Q & A threads are a really good way to form an opinion on each prospective mod IMO, so a poll wouldn't bother me at all. Unlike say the character battles or the music tournament, I don't think there's a need for any poster to vote and then write up a post explaining that vote. That can be done anywhere on the forum, and I also don't think it should have a place anywhere near the actual voting thread itself. I say that for the same reason I support keeping the results anonymous until after it's over.

Ryushikaze 06/21/2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Someone named Octo (Post 451929)
Yeah that could be an issue....Also, are we able to put anything in place to stop people creating new accounts just to vote? I don't like the idea of Vigara4U.com2184 skewing the results :lol:

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Originally Posted by BRIAN BLESSED (Post 452140)
I'm sure we could just exclude votes from members that have joined the forum after the polls are put up. :wacky:

My memory is hazy on this but I'm fairly sure there's something available in vB that can keep poll results hidden.

There has to be something. :monster:

Currently, we can make voters anonymous, but not the running tally of votes.

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Originally Posted by Prince Lex (Post 452161)
I thought transparency was the best idea until I read the above posts. Now I'm definitely thinking it'll be better to keep the results hidden at least until after the voting is finished. I really don't care how we actually vote, just that it gets done, it's traceable to each username (so there's no funny business) and that the results stay hidden until after the vote takes place.

The Q & A threads are a really good way to form an opinion on each prospective mod IMO, so a poll wouldn't bother me at all. Unlike say the character battles or the music tournament, I don't think there's a need for any poster to vote and then write up a post explaining that vote. That can be done anywhere on the forum, and I also don't think it should have a place anywhere near the actual voting thread itself. I say that for the same reason I support keeping the results anonymous until after it's over.

Right, does anyone have any major problems with PMing a particular member of staff their votes, and keeping a copy of that PM for your paper trail?
Because that strikes me as the most elegant solution to this whole brouhaha that allows multiple votes and for and against votes, is confidential yet trackable, and lets us make sure that nonsense votes are kept to a minimum.

Tifabelle 06/21/2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze (Post 452184)
Right, does anyone have any major problems with PMing a particular member of staff their votes, and keeping a copy of that PM for your paper trail?
Because that strikes me as the most elegant solution to this whole brouhaha that allows multiple votes and for and against votes, is confidential yet trackable, and lets us make sure that nonsense votes are kept to a minimum.

meh, but ok. Is it possible for a second staff member to double check the tallies to avoid any counting errors?

Ryushikaze 06/21/2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Redfield (Post 452186)
meh, but ok. Is it possible for a second staff member to double check the tallies to avoid any counting errors?

Well, if you want, we could use the new forum for voting, so that all of staff and you yourself could see the voting. That makes things slightly less confidential, but if everyone's okay with that, it lets everyone on staff check the math of whoever does the tallying.

Alternately, you can just PM a second member of staff your votes.

Flintlock 06/21/2012 06:10 PM

That suggestion sounds like a fairly good one, though total anonymity would be better still. I think it's getting near to the time when someone needs to make an executive decision on this, and to be honest, I'll be fine with anything.

Tifabelle 06/21/2012 06:47 PM

Ryu, just have everyone PM one staff member with their votes. Then that staff members forwards them to one other staff member to check the math.

or just let it be up to one person, idc


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