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The Twilight Mexican 03/14/2015 09:30 PM

That's correct.

Chloe Frazer 03/15/2015 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultima espio (Post 626372)
You should hear Vanille's battle grunts in XIII..."No holding back! You're mine! UHH, AHH, UHH, OHH, Is it...really over? Yay us!"

She made the same grunts in her 'battles' with Fang. :awesome:

ForceStealer 03/15/2015 12:27 AM

No one gets her off like Hecatonchier, though.

Shademp 03/15/2015 01:25 PM

- I've been waiting to finally spot this. Remember the signs on the SOLDIER floor that switch from lower case letters to upper case in the transition from the Japanese to the English game?

In Angeal DMW Scene #4, we see both these signs. However, even the English DMW scene still uses the Japanese signs with lower case letters.

(SPOILER)
http://i.imgur.com/QmNRrbI.png

http://i.imgur.com/fhmOUy6.png


http://i.imgur.com/tJZ0EYL.png

http://i.imgur.com/L1YbYQR.png



- When you get to the Nibel plains, you get this mail:

http://i.imgur.com/QcoOwD8.png

Remember the G Reports in Dirge of Cerberus?

Quote:

While one is well known: the infamous “S”
–a symbol of strength and destruction–
the other remains shrouded in an eldritch veil
of shadows. All records of this man’s existence
have been deleted; the only remnant of his legacy
being the lone letter “G”.

...

“G”…
We can only begin to imagine who this enigmatic
warrior might be.

There are rumors that he was a biochemically
constructed prototype for the soldier who would
become “S”. However, there are no documents to
supports these claims. In fact, there is so little
information on “G” that his existence may be
nothing but a fabrication.

The only thing that may give insight into this
mystery is a lone personnel record which indicates
that several years ago, a soldier 1st class was
assigned a top-secret mission to pursue a target
referred to only as “G”. Unfortunately, any further
data on this mission has been lost or destroyed…
Not only has Shinra failed to delete the Genesis fanclub, but there is another clear retcon here. The only times Zack is assigned to pursue Genesis is when he is a 2nd Class SOLDIER, in the mission to Wutai and the mission to Banora. When Zack defeats Genesis at the end of Crisis Core, he is not there on a top-secret mission from the company. If Dirge of Cerberus is ever re-released, the G Reports (and some NPC dialogue on the Shera) will have to be vastly rewritten.

Minato 03/15/2015 02:05 PM

Was the Modeoheim mission specifically about Hollander?

Shademp 03/15/2015 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doran Martell (Post 626532)
Was the Modeoheim mission specifically about Hollander?

*facepalm*

My bad. I forgot that part entirely. True, the G Report could be referring to the Modeoheim mission. Thanks. :salute:

(SPOILER) I'm really tired today.:P

Shademp 03/15/2015 03:13 PM

- According to the CC Ultimania, the Gun Bull Head names on the Nibel plains are references to Blitzball players from FFX. Huh.

- At the Gongaga reactor, there is a "minigame" where you strike down fences and barrels to get treasure. The typical treasures are 6000 gil, 1x Hypno Crown, 1x Osmoga and 1x Zeio Nut. These are the only treasures mentioned in Absolute Steve's guide. Oh, and you fight two Griffons.

However in the Japanese game, I have managed to randomly get two extra rewards: 2000 gil and a MAG Mako Stone. These were gained when the last treasure chest had been unlocked, when either of the Griffons (who jump out of the chests) was the final part of the minigame.

I can't figure out the conditions for gaining these extra rewards though and have not been able to trigger it in the English game at all. Not finding the proper page in the CC Ultimania, I instead looked in the CC Complete Guide and found a section about this minigame on page 743.

- Photo from page 743

Obviously I need some help here. I don't require a detailed translation, just an explanation of what the mechanics are that determine whether you get those extra rewards or not.



- Cissnei says "I'll give you ten minutes, after that I return to the Turks". Two minutes later she says "you have five minutes left". SHE CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF TIME! WORST TURK EVER!

Clement Rage 03/15/2015 04:04 PM

Genesis is common knowledge, his connection to G is not. To most of the world, he's just a kid from Banora with some talent, not a research project at all. He didn't even know about it. So whoever wrote those reports (do we have any idea who? Omega reports were written by Lucrecia,) never made the connection.

Minato 03/15/2015 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clement Rage (Post 626538)
Genesis is common knowledge, his connection to G is not. To most of the world, he's just a kid from Banora with some talent, not a research project at all. He didn't even know about it. So whoever wrote those reports (do we have any idea who? Omega reports were written by Lucrecia,) never made the connection.

That the guy that wrote these reports didn't make the connection is fine. The personnel record however doesn't add up. Zack/Sephiroth were never sent to retrieve a research project G, they were sent to kill or capture Genesis. Which was information that was kept from the public, but I wouldn't call it topsecret. Thousands of the Genesis clones were attacking Shinra facilities all over the world. The rank and file Shinra forces knew what was what. Let alone anyone working with SOLDIER in any capacity.

Minato 03/16/2015 12:37 PM

Then again, the SOLDIER First Class in question could be Angeal. We may not know everything about how Lazard and Hollander managed to step by step clue him into the truth of his birth.

Clement Rage 03/16/2015 07:02 PM

Or maybe G was put on the paperwork in case the document was ever leaked somehow. Lots of common understandings never get put on paper so they can't be definitively proved by a journalist or a judge. IIRC, Genesis had been declared officially dead by that point, so his name on a page might raise awkward questions if the wrong person saw it.

Shademp 03/16/2015 07:19 PM

While I wait for somebody to translate the jist of that section from page 743 of CC The Complete Guide, I may as well write reactions. Or maybe somebody owns an English CC guide that describe how the rewards work here? Anyway...


- Before the "minigame" with the treasure chests at the Gongaga Reactor ruins begin, there is a guy there who tells Zack that his giant sword might be able to get the rubble away so that the treasure can be reached. After telling you this, he disappears.

...Why is this random NPC here? Why, as presumably a Gongaga guy, is he a re-used NPC model? His only role is as a trigger so that Zack can start cutting rubble. This NPC is perfectly pointless though. The player doesn't need to be told anything here! The rubble and the treasures stand out enough as is! The player will understand to approach the rubble and then figure out what to do!

http://i.imgur.com/ZjOr1m4.png

*sigh*


- Separated from the story, the waterfall minigame where you catch treasure chests is "acceptable". It's silly, but you could potentially find an amusing separation here between story and the gameplay. Treasure chests are illogically scattered about everywhere in a majority of video games, so why not have treasure chests come down a waterfall? The minigame on its own is acceptable.

The biggest problem with the minigame at the waterfall is that it is ONLY available after Zack realizes he has to run back to save Cloud.

http://i.imgur.com/OlX9Brz.png


What could have been a moderately amusing minigame "outside" of the story still decides to acknowledge the story, thus making it perfectly unbelievable that Zack would stick around to catch falling treasure chests instead of running to his friend who is in serious danger.


- A different version of "The Summoned" (which in turn is the CC remix of Those Who Fight Further) plays during the waterfall minigame. The instrumentation is really odd. This version is not included in the CC soundtrack album. =/

Minato 03/17/2015 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clement Rage (Post 626676)
Or maybe G was put on the paperwork in case the document was ever leaked somehow. Lots of common understandings never get put on paper so they can't be definitively proved by a journalist or a judge. IIRC, Genesis had been declared officially dead by that point, so his name on a page might raise awkward questions if the wrong person saw it.

That would make the use of G being connected to Project G a complete and utter coincidince. That's not any better. Is this a world where no one can conceive of a means to cover stuff up other then using initials?

Shademp 03/17/2015 04:11 PM

Even when abusing save states, it took me TWO FRIGGIN' HOURS to get Octaslash to be used against the Magic Pot in Mission 7-6-6. -___- Yes, even though I won't be using the Genji Shield that I now acquired from the Magic Pot, I feel COMPELLED to acquire it at this stage now that I finally have Octaslash materia to increase the likelihood of that Power Surge. Difficult to stay positive right now. I should switch to some other game than Crisis Core, very soon. I have been at it with Crisis Core for 2 1/2 months now, so :monster:

Random observation while in mission 7-6-6: When a Gremlin uses Flare, the spell only costs 1 of its MP. Cheating!

EDIT: Yes! I can hardly believe it! In less than an hour I managed to please the Magic Pot twice (that sounds like something a pot smoker would say), first getting a Full Cure materia and then getting the Impervious accessory. :D

Shademp 03/17/2015 05:28 PM

- The maximum number of save files you can keep at one time is 99, numbered 0-98. I have reached that point. Fortunately, it is an easy process to copy the save states into a separate folder, rename "ULES1044DATA98" to "ULES1044DATA0", and start on a new leaf. I will soon do this for the Japanese save files as well.

- In mission 9-6-4, the boss is "Great Malboro". I confirmed this to be so both in the American and the European version. Yet, Steve's guide calls this Malboro "Malboro Great". A bit disappointed this wasn't a version difference. :P


- VERSION DIFFERENCE:
At the very start of Chapter 10, when Zack has just arrived in Banora, you can speak to Lazard. In the Japanese version when you speak to Lazard for the first time, the camera switches to show the glowing mako pillar you are meant to approach. This camera switch will only happen the first time you speak to Lazard and if you have not left the area. *ACTUALLY NOT! SEE EDIT!*

This camera change to highlight your destination does not happen in the European English game. American version obviously not confirmed.

(SPOILER)
JAPANESE: Camera showing destination
http://i.imgur.com/awQg7Nd.png

JAPANESE: Same line, no camera change
http://i.imgur.com/ZP3kxT9.png

ENGLISH
http://i.imgur.com/wpbOuAF.png


EDIT: After some further tests, I discovered how this camera glitch actually works in the Japanese game. Right before you gain control over Zack, the camera pans up, then a fade-out and fade-in leads to you controlling Zack. Except that for about two more seconds after the player has control over Zack, the action of the camera panning is still going on in the scene data. If you speak to Lazard during this time, no matter if it's his first, second or third talk-to line, the camera panning scene will play out. You can even see the camera still panning, if you are quick. Once the panning is finished and the camera returns to normal, this glitch is over.

So if you wait two seconds before speaking to Lazard for the first time, the glitch won't happen. I have not managed to trigger this glitch in the English game, even by being super-quick, so this is still a legitimate version difference.


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