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Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 06:21 AM

So What's Next?
 
The Compilation is dead (for now), the Staff here are bored to tears and none of us are really motivated, there's really no new activity or fresh members, and the board and the community grows further and further away from FF every day.

As it stands, the place is still active and everyone is having fun, but in the long run, what's next? It honestly can only go on like this for so long before it just fizzles out. Personally, I don't really know. What should we do? We were talking in the Staff forum about how to address things and how we should organize ourselves, but overall, the fire is hard to keep alive right now.

I always want this sites focus to be Final Fantasy. We've already built so much; it would be a shame to let it all go to waste, and I think that we could really build on that further, we just need to possibly refocus our efforts? What do you guys think we should do?

Personally, Mako and I thought it would be pretty rad to turn our attention to the older, classic Final Fantasies.

ShuShu 08/13/2010 06:30 AM

You interrupted my fake beauty pageant for this?

Well, anyway.

In terms of the forum's quality, yeah alot of stuff has been translated, hosted, and given to fans of Final Fantasy, and it would be a major waste to let all that die out.

Not to mention the moderators at least seem to care what happens to this place.

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Personally, Mako and I thought it would be pretty rad to turn our attention to the older, classic Final Fantasies.
Not only would that create alot of new things to talk about, and also host on your frontpages, but it might attract members who are more partial to other Final Fantasy games.

I say go for it. Final Fantasy 7 has been talked about to death and back.

Max Caulfield 08/13/2010 06:42 AM

What do you mean the Compilation is dead? We still have the LTD! :awesome:

I think that opening the site up to talk about other FF games is a great idea! Would it be all of them, or just the older ones?

Dashell 08/13/2010 06:42 AM

Define classics, I haven't played any before 7

The Man 08/13/2010 06:46 AM

I might be willing to do FF6 content depending on how bored I get. I've done quite a bit with rom hacking programs in addition to playing it obsessively several years ago so I'm pretty familiar with the content, even if I haven't done anything in awhile. I'd also be willing to work with hito or someone on a retranslation project; I actually already started a semi-retranslation project myself that I intended to be halfway between Woolsey's and Sky Render's before getting bored with it and abandoning it. If there were more interest though I'd probably be able to pick it back up.

Other than that there are lots of things I could do to the boards to liven them up given the power, but I don't know if any of them would be related to Final Fantasy.

edit: I should clarify, though, that the programs I used were pre-made for hacking FFVI; I haven't done any ASM work on my own.

Dashell 08/13/2010 06:47 AM

It's not a bad idea to have a section for hacking actually :D

Max Caulfield 08/13/2010 06:49 AM

I'd be interested in learning how to hack. :whistle:

ShuShu 08/13/2010 06:50 AM

Well that took two seconds to go off-topic xD

I'd like to see Final Fantasy 4-6.

Anything about them.

Makoeyes987 08/13/2010 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 252942)
Define classics, I haven't played any before 7

YOU GO TO YOUR FUCKING ROOM RIGHT NOW AND PLAY THE CLASSICS. NO DESSERT FOR YOU UNTIL YOU'RE DONE, MISSY.

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY.

Celes Chere 08/13/2010 06:58 AM

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I'd like to see Final Fantasy 4 & 6.
Fixed.

Max Caulfield 08/13/2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Noob Saibot (Post 252951)
YOU GO TO YOUR FUCKING ROOM RIGHT NOW AND PLAY THE CLASSICS. NO DESSERT FOR YOU UNTIL YOU'RE DONE, MISSY.

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY.

I probably shouldn't tell you that I haven't played any of the classics except for I and III and I can't remember really anything of them...

Yep, I probably shouldn't tell you that.

Dashell 08/13/2010 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Noob Saibot (Post 252951)
YOU GO TO YOUR FUCKING ROOM RIGHT NOW AND PLAY THE CLASSICS. NO DESSERT FOR YOU UNTIL YOU'RE DONE, MISSY.

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY.

Am I allowed to go to work tomorrow? :(

Also, a section for hacking WOULD be neat, I know Rob had done some stuff in FFX, and it was pretty neat :shifty: I think it was stuff we all knew but I still liked it. I could submit all that stuff if I still have it.

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 07:05 AM

Yeah I honestly think everyone who hasn't played the classes should do so immediately. Grab an SNES, download a ROM, whatever.

Speaking of which, making that move would attract a lot of new blood.

As far as my ideas go, I think coverage on the plot/character details is always welcome. I've always wanted to see some the creation materials for the older ones translated if possible, and FFII even has a mini-novel. I think we should also maintain a focus on the gameplay; we might be able to ask Dijbriel, resident god of the FF classics, namely FFVI, for that.

Celes Chere 08/13/2010 07:07 AM

People that haven't played FFVI? You're not welcome here, quit the internet. =/ I love all of the classics. Focusing on them is an excellent idea, imo. A lot of us thought FFXIII would be a big deal... but really, it wasn't, lol.

The Man 08/13/2010 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mia Fey (Post 252952)
Fixed.

Not fixed. FF5 was also awesome. The story may have felt a bit lacking the first time one played it but the second time reveals that it has more depth than is initially apparent, and in every other aspect it's more or less the equal of the other games.

That said, I think we should focus on one game at a time, and FFVI is the natural choice. Although really, whichever game gets the next remake is probably the one we should focus on.

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 07:11 AM

Yeah, FFV was great. You just gotta see it for what it is. I'd be honored to help cover that.

ShuShu 08/13/2010 07:17 AM

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Fixed.
Hoe. I like FFV :awesome:

Though 4 and 6 totally as well. :3 They all impacted me in that way that games should knowadays but don't.

Hisako 08/13/2010 07:33 AM

Should expand on the Final Fantasy sections, give them individual sub-sections, and extend focus in news articles and other paraphenalia in other big Final Fantasy announcements as well. The scope of this place always did seem a little more limited in comparison to AC.net.

That's my shitty idea, but it's the only one I got :monster:

Tennyo 08/13/2010 07:51 AM

THIS!!!! :http://www.flickr.com/photos/tennyomelime/4867666614/

Celes Chere 08/13/2010 08:01 AM

Um... chill lolz. I appreciate the gameplay in FFV, but the storyline and characters (besides Faris ) mostly bored me to tears.

ShuShu 08/13/2010 08:08 AM

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Um... chill lolz. I appreciate the gameplay in FFV, but the storyline and characters (besides Faris ) mostly bored me to tears.
Gameplay was pretty cool. I liked the jobclass system alot @_@

<3 Faris.

Lol yeah the other characters were less awesome than Faris, imo.

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 08:13 AM

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Um... chill lolz. I appreciate the gameplay in FFV, but the storyline and characters (besides Faris ) mostly bored me to tears.
The idea is that the storyline and characters were meant to be lighter and less serious and intense than other FFs. It boils it all down to what it's really all about, the stellar gameplay. If you're expecting FFV's plot to be heavy like FFIV/VI's, you're looking at it wrong; it's intended to be an old school to the core, visceral, gameplay focused adventure. The story is just a vehicle to move the game along.

And if nothing else, Galufs went out like a fuckin' G.

Max Payne 08/13/2010 10:29 AM

WELL I GOT AN IDEA OF WHAT TO DO NEXT

looneymoon 08/13/2010 11:24 AM

Strange thing is, I see active FF7 fans in places like LJ and such. Perhaps people just cba to join an FF exclusive forum? idk, it's not like there's a lack of love for the game going around. While expanding to the older FFs would be awesome, I'm a little skeptical of how much it's actually going to do. Not trying to put down the idea though! By all means, we should go through with it - it'll keep the community busy and no doubt it would widen the demographic scope.

The AC/ACC commentary was a good idea. Perhaps we could record Let's Play! The FF7 Compilation. Certainly there are enough funny members to make decent Let's Play commentaries. IMO, fan generated projects like the audio-books are probably more appealing than official translations. I say this because from my experience, the typical FF doesn't really care to read an Ultimania or whatever else.

Alessa Gillespie 08/13/2010 09:11 PM

I vote that we make additional sections for old classics for us to discuss, since we only have the Final Fantasy board as of right now. Which is fine and all, but let's face it: most of the people here are so sick of the same old Compiliation shit that it's just tiring by now. However, I do feel like people would enjoy discussing something like Kefka's motivations, since he's not Gackt and actually has a personality worth discussing.

IDK, I feel like there's still potential in older Final Fantasies or even discussions about FF7 itself, but the Compiliation is like a tired old whore at this point. You can still discuss it, but it's gotten pretty dang boring.

Super Mario 08/13/2010 09:16 PM

My questions regarding the site's need for new members: Where can we get new blood? And how do we keep them solid and interested by visiting regularly? I'm asking this because the ones who left with bitter feelings towards this community also more or less spoke ill of this forum (trust me, some people do eventually return to the net and visit other communities), assuming they went to another similar ff community and warned the other members as well. I just wish we knew HOW to keep the new blood around instead of scaring them, pissing them off from the community altogether. Everyone has something they can bring to the table and all.

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 09:18 PM

I vote to condense all of the Compilation subforums into just one, big 'Compilation of Final Fantasy VII' forum. Nuke all the subforums entirely and move all the topics in them into one big one. None of the Compilation games are generating enough activity to warrant 5 different forums.

I also vote that if we are moving towards coverage of the older games, we give them an appropriate forum. I also suggest emphasizing discussion and members who appreciate the gameplay of these games as well; after all, that's what we do when we enjoy these games; we play them.

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 09:19 PM

BTW: Good post Mumble, I'll try to give my thoughts on that, give me a few.

The Man 08/13/2010 09:28 PM

I'm not sure condensing all the forums is a good idea, but we can at least make them into subfora to keep them from cluttering up the main page. (If subfora aren't visible on the main page, make them visible; it's been awhile since I looked at it).

Along a similar vein, EoFF has fora for every numbered series entry to encourage discussion on each of them. That's a bit extreme, but it shows a commitment to the series that no other site I'm aware of demonstrates, and it manages to keep the discussion for each game that I bother paying attention to pretty fresh (which basically means IV-VI and IX). We could try setting up subfora for each FF game as well. Or definitely at least each era.

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 09:36 PM

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I'm not sure condensing all the forums is a good idea, but we can at least make them into subfora to keep them from cluttering up the main page. (If subfora aren't visible on the main page, make them visible; it's been awhile since I looked at it).
Bleh, subfora are so cluttery, though. It's best to have as little forums as possible for concise discussion. Why not condense all the FFVII forums? Is anyone really going to miss the DoC forums or the BC forum if we condense them into one? All anyone really talks about nowadays is either the original game or the Compilation as a whole.

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Along a similar vein, EoFF has fora for every numbered series entry to encourage discussion on each of them. That's a bit extreme, but it shows a commitment to the series that no other site I'm aware of demonstrates, and it manages to keep the discussion for each game that I bother paying attention to pretty fresh (which basically means IV-VI and IX). We could try setting up subfora for each FF game as well. Or definitely at least each era.
Putting them for each era is a good idea, but I really like the idea of focusing on the older ones, at least for now to give us a foundation. Going from covering one entry in the series to all of them is going to be very daunting and will dilute our efforts immensely. I think we should start with the old school ones and see where that takes us.

The Man 08/13/2010 09:39 PM

Yeah I agree with starting with the old-school ones; as said above, I'd recommend starting with FFVI, in part because it seems to be alongside FFVII the most loved entry in the series. As for why to have subfora, in part it's because it makes it easier to find a specific discussion. Plus it makes us look more comprehensive. I have to run to work in a moment so I'll elaborate more on why I think keeping the subfora would be a good idea later.

Dashell 08/13/2010 09:47 PM

I don't mean to be a downer here but it seems like we go through this every few weeks and nothing ever changes. At the very least we should stick to what we're trying to do this time and not just let it fizzle out.

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 253196)
I don't mean to be a downer here but it seems like we go through this every few weeks and nothing ever changes.

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 253196)
I don't mean to be a downer here but it seems like we go through this every few weeks and nothing ever changes.

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 253196)
I don't mean to be a downer here but it seems like we go through this every few weeks and nothing ever changes.

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 253196)
I don't mean to be a downer here but it seems like we go through this every few weeks and nothing ever changes.

somebody give this girl a medal and don't you ever forget she said this

Dashell 08/13/2010 09:50 PM

....

:D

SHUT UP! :D You don't make me feel good by saying good things about me :joy:

Super Mario 08/13/2010 09:55 PM

Well let's start now before shit gets too late. What shall we work on first? Staff? or bringing in new members?

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 09:56 PM

Work from the top down; Staff first, I think. Before that, though, we should focus on changing the infrastructure to support whatever site change is gonna happen.

Also we should probably wait for the other staff to chip in as well before we start being definitive about anything; more discussion is always welcome though!

Dashell 08/13/2010 09:59 PM

I realize you guys are focusing on early FFs but would hacking stuff from the newer ones be out? A while back Rob started a disassembly thingy on FFX:

http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/fi...bly-19839.html

well the images don't work anymore but you get the idea. Would something like this be welcomed?

Cat Rage Room 08/13/2010 10:01 PM

Anything is welcome, really. A focus does not exclude yummy other FF stuff! So yeah, that'll be cool.

Hey guys; I gotta step out for a few hours, so keep this discussion going! Stay good, everyone!

Dashell 08/13/2010 10:06 PM

oh wait I do still have some pics:

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/4579/glitchl.jpg
Tidus Tidus Tidus Tidus...

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/485/glitch2.jpg
A random Lulu appears

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9531/glitch3.jpg
and this speaks for itself :D

but yeah you already said okay, I just wanted to post the images.

Cthulhu 08/13/2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mog
We were talking in the Staff forum about

For the record, my first post in there was asking why that thread was in the staff forums in the first place, :monster:.

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Originally Posted by Amethyst
I'd be interested in learning how to hack.

I wouldn't, actually, :monster:. I hate working with black boxes, prodding stuff until it works, trying to peer into the convoluted mind of a Japanese programmer. I'd be more into making separate, new software :monster:.

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Originally Posted by looney
Strange thing is, I see active FF7 fans in places like LJ and such. Perhaps people just cba to join an FF exclusive forum? idk, it's not like there's a lack of love for the game going around.

Or maybe we're just not profiling ourselves enough on sites like Facebook, JL, Shitter, etc. Something like this might work - as a start.

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Originally Posted by Mog
I vote to condense all of the Compilation subforums into just one, big 'Compilation of Final Fantasy VII' forum. Nuke all the subforums entirely and move all the topics in them into one big one. None of the Compilation games are generating enough activity to warrant 5 different forums.

I vote against, actually, as some of the entries (AC, CC at the very least) have (had) enough potential, and second that, like it or not, we still have the compilation as our main goal - at least in terms of general style and atmosphere and things.

Expanding other forums could work, however with that too I'd suggest not overdoing it at first - make sections for the games we got content for, or do eras before doing sections if the activity doesn't warrant it.

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Originally Posted by quex
I don't mean to be a downer here but it seems like we go through this every few weeks and nothing ever changes. At the very least we should stick to what we're trying to do this time and not just let it fizzle out.

You are SO wrong.

It's once every few months, actually :monster:.

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 253210)
I realize you guys are focusing on early FFs but would hacking stuff from the newer ones be out? A while back Rob started a disassembly thingy on FFX:

http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/fi...bly-19839.html

well the images don't work anymore but you get the idea. Would something like this be welcomed?

Well, is it actually interesting? I mean, I don't know about you or you lot, but apparent bugs like this... don't really give me a boner. Let alone if it's a one-off thing slapped onto the site randomly, a random appearance of Lulu and buggered names in the character list being one of the few articles that appear on the site (and which stays on the frontpage for months, at the current rate of new posts), in which case the site suddenly switches from a Compilation (and, to a lesser / equal part Dissidia) site to also cover FFX bugs / hacks.

It'd constitute as interesting (in my book) if this Rob fellow could haxor into the game and find secret 'deleted scenes' that possibly would influence the story in an odd fashion, for example. Nothing personal, :monster:.

A FFVI retranslation (and subsequent re-releasing) would be an interesthing thing to do, however. Monthly updates on critical differences between original translation and re-translation would be a welcome addition to the frontpage's content.

Alex 08/13/2010 11:07 PM

A few ideas:

How about the Let's Play idea that was floated around for awhile and never went anywhere? We have enough people with microphones and skype, we could probably get started on one or two of these for like whatever Final Fantasy thats conveniant. Maybe do two at a time, one for people who are like the game and another for those who are critical of it. That way some debate, contrast and discussion could emerge on both sides of the table.

Secondly, what about some articles for the mainpage based on the kind of thing that Cracked do (or a more series specific example, like what they do on The Snake Soup). You know, funny or serious articles listing like Top 5 or Top 10 lists of things to do with the Final Fantasy series. 'Top 5 endings in the series', 'Top 10 most random, wtf moments' 'top 15 boss battles'. Little things like that which could inject some humour into the front page, alongside some discussion which could move some commenters to posting on the forum.

ForceStealer 08/13/2010 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by (Post 253249)
How about the Let's Play idea that was floated around for awhile and never went anywhere? We have enough people with microphones and skype, we could probably get started on one or two of these for like whatever Final Fantasy thats conveniant. Maybe do two at a time, one for people who are like the game and another for those who are critical of it. That way some debate, contrast and discussion could emerge on both sides of the table.

This. AND can we ever resurrect that LO/ACC/whatever commentary project? I was really excited about that.

LicoriceAllsorts 08/13/2010 11:24 PM

Obviously my main interest is the fanfiction so what few ideas I have come from that side of the field. This site is a fantastic resource for fan-fiction writers - it's how I found it and grew to love it in the first place. Nobody ever made me feel stupid for asking noob questions (except mako, a bit, but that's his job) and if no one knew the answer, there would always be a knowledgeable discussion that would bring some possible answers to the surface.

I am always surprised when I find that my fellow fanfictioneers don't know about this site. They need to, and I regularly refer them here. FFVII is one of of the biggest fandoms in gaming fanfic, if not THE biggest. We ought to link ourselves more prominently within the main fanfiction sites - fanfiction.net, LJ, Dreamwidth and A03 come to mind. That would get more people coming to visit this site, and some will stay.

That's all I've got.

Alex 08/13/2010 11:25 PM

Definitely!

These are the kind of big idea projects that you find no other Final Fantasy site is really attempting and would really make us standout.

Omega 08/13/2010 11:55 PM

OKAY SO

Here's what I think.

I think keeping the actual forum bound mostly within the realm of FF isn't a great idea. It's like Mog said - Xenogears and Chrono Trigger haven't had a damn thing happen in ages, and yet their communities are still very active and there's lots of stuff to talk about in them. As such, why not actually open TLS into a general gaming forum - to start with?

You could easily expand for things like CT, Xeno, Zelda, Metroid, whatever. It wouldn't be difficult, especially since there's quite enough active members to work on multiple fronts simultaneously. And that way, it doesn't pin the "FF forum" label on us, with its negative stigmata, and TLS can ALSO move away from being another place that is infamous for the LTD bit. Which, tbh, I honestly think should just be let go. LET IT FUCKING DIE, PEOPLE. NONE OF YOU ARE SAYING ANYTHING NEW OR INTERESTING. IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE. THE HORSE HAS BEEN BEATEN FAR BEYOND DEATH TO THE POINT THAT NONE OF ITS MOLECULES ARE STILL WITHIN THIS PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

/rant


Additionally, I really think expanding beyond just being a gaming forum is also a great idea. The Movie Night was a good idea, and was going well, until the third week when people stopped voting/watching movies. (I myself didn't have internet, so I fucked up there, esp. since I was the one to suggest it >: ) But more things, like having art or writing contests, "giveaways" (where registered members who meet certain criteria are capable of winning some prize or other, most likely something vsmall and cheap, unless it's a HUGE contest that is guaranteed to draw a lot of activity), whatever...there's loads of ways of getting more traffic coming into this place.

As to keeping the members...that's on us, tbh. Once we lure them in, all we have to do is not chase them off. Which basically means not letting Dacon post in their intro threads. :monster:

But I really think there's a lot of things that could be done to bring some fresh air into the forum. I had a lot of other stuff I was going to type, but then got sidetracked and forgot it all. :P

ForceStealer 08/14/2010 12:02 AM

That approach, while good on paper, isn't nearly as good in practice. Turning into basically "talk about whatever you want!" forum gives people literally no reason to come here at all apart from the friendliness of our community (meaning that no one will come :monster:)

Spread yourself that thin and you'll have the classic jack-of-all-trades curse: master of none.

The movie week is a great pastime for the members we have, but it wouldn't really draw anyone else. Having great coverage of "Stuff" (whatever 'stuff' we finally decide on, FF7, FF, video games) is what will draw people.

I'm hesitant to expand the view much further than Final Fantasy.

Omega 08/14/2010 12:13 AM

No, I'm saying that if we expand the view beyond just FF, then it's going to draw people in, especially if it's of the same quantity and quality as with the Compilation stuff.

Example: I'm sure if a concerted effort to cover CT was made, a shit-ton of people would make their way over, especially if there's maybe one or two things they've not seen before (although this is unlikely, all things considered, I know). But more content is going to translate into more content. Not saying 'ohey, open the floodgates rite now', just that slowly opening them up to more things is going to generate traffic.

Random example: Suppose an effort was made to appeal to fans of Lost. Alex can comment on this :monster:

And even so, it's fine to talk about "master of none" and spreading one's self thin - but what we're doing now isn't working, and we all know it.

The Movie Night is there to keep the people that the other content draws in, btw. Why stay here when there's a lot of other places to go? Simple - make it more homey and get them involved in the actual community aspect, so that they bother to care to hang around.



O YEAH EDIT: I just remembered part of what I wanted to say - I've been dying to do a Let's Play type thing for FFX. Back when I first got the International version, with its new stuff and Dark Aeons, etc, I wanted to do a sort of video series entailing the preparation for and fights with the Dark Aeons (this was like six years ago, so I was still a moody and pretentious teenager and the name "Diary of Atonement" sounded like a great name for it back then :monster:). Anyway, I want to get a new PS2 that can play it soon, because I'm fucking DYING to replay the game, and would love to do a Let's Play thing for it, and would gladly do so as part of new site content.

Assuming someone would show me how to record it, that is. :P

Cat Rage Room 08/14/2010 02:03 AM

Can't say I really like that idea either, Omega. Going into a general gaming site; there are a MILLION of those. I think it's spreading ourselves way too thin (we'd have to get Staff ready and willing, and actively working all the time to cover all of gaming all the time), and I'm telling you right now I have no personal interest in covering all of gaming, I don't even have the energy for it.

If nothing else, I think we should at least start smaller, and if the horizon proves otherwise, sure. But going from FFVII to GENERAL GAMING, I don't have the stones for it, honestly. I'll be straight up; just not interested.

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but what we're doing now isn't working, and we all know it.
BTW, what we're doing now isn't working is because of our approach, not the idea. Places like Chrono Compendium do the exact same thing we do, but they're more successful because their focus is there to the 10th degree.

Omega 08/14/2010 02:22 AM

I'll remember to just keep my opinions to myself next time.

Cat Rage Room 08/14/2010 02:27 AM

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I'll remember to just keep my opinions to myself next time.
Nobody is going to agree with everyone all of the time. That doesn't mean that opinions aren't worth sharing. I respect you, I respect your idea, but I don't agree with it. That's not a strike against you, your ideas, your intelligence or anything, or you as a person. I'm just being honest and straightforward.

Gee, aren't we all adults here, dude?

Omega 08/14/2010 02:38 AM

No. It's annoying to have an entire slew of ideas ignored because you don't agree with one generalized statement. I'm not a three year old.

I get the "don't want to be a general gaming site" thing. But at least do me the courtesy of responding to the rest of it. =/

Cat Rage Room 08/14/2010 02:47 AM

I wanted to give the implication that if I didn't specifically disagree with it, it was a worthy idea worth considering. I should have gave you the consideration of responding to the entirety of your thoughts, but at the same time I know everyone isn't expecting the "WHAT A GREAT IDEA" treatment for every good idea pitched, either. No disrespect meant.

Omega 08/14/2010 03:17 AM

'scool.

Dashell 08/14/2010 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu (Post 253244)
It'd constitute as interesting (in my book) if this Rob fellow could haxor into the game and find secret 'deleted scenes' that possibly would influence the story in an odd fashion, for example. Nothing personal, :monster:.

Those weren't random bugs it was part of a disassembly. And if there are deleted scenes in there, I'm sure he could find them :D

The Man 08/14/2010 08:34 AM

Anyway, the main reason I don’t think getting rid of the compilation forums is a good idea is because having them makes the site look comprehensive. Even if they’re dead, the fact that they exist makes it plain to people who join the site that TLS takes the compilation seriously and regards it as an integral part of its raison d’Ítre. Now, as I said, they don’t have to be top-level fora; they can be subfora, it’s fine. But they should still be there. If people come here and don’t see fora for each Compilation entry, it makes the place looks like a half-assed site that doesn’t care about complete coverage.

As long as we’re talking about translations, does anyone have any idea if it would be possible to translate Before Crisis and make it playable via emulation? I’m pretty sure that would be something that would drag a lot of fresh blood to the site. If there are legal barriers to this that would be likely to get us a cease and desist order then disregard this suggestion.

I have some other ideas to liven up the forums specifically, but I’m pretty sure people on staff cba to implement them. Given the power I’d be willing to revamp things quite a bit. I’m not interested in changing the politics of the way this place works any but there are some things that could make the forum experience quite a bit more comprehensive and interesting and judging from past actions I’m pretty sure the other people with the power to enact them are too lazy to do so :monster:

Mariketsu 08/14/2010 10:45 AM

I'd have to agree with Diego here, it might be a good idea to expand to other games to draw more members, but it can be taken in stride, like starting small, as MOG said. Also, it's prolly a good idea to also condense the Compilation down too, just to save space if you do decide to add more games, little by little. That's just me tho.

~ Beel

Cthulhu 08/14/2010 11:47 AM

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I really want to get a copy of the Settai Shoryu and have some of that scanned but unfortunately that's kinda pricey and I'm broke as a motherfucker right now. The last Ultimania I was able to purchase was..the Dissidia one a year ago.

That's why we get donations and have a big financial backer, i.e. me :monster:.

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I'm not sure of what's going on with FFXIV but FFXIII Versus has some potential. That's basically the only new S-E game I give a shit about right now, tbh.

XIV will definitely not be something anyone of us will want to spend time on, really.

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Secondly, what about some articles for the mainpage based on the kind of thing that Cracked do (or a more series specific example, like what they do on The Snake Soup). You know, funny or serious articles listing like Top 5 or Top 10 lists of things to do with the Final Fantasy series. 'Top 5 endings in the series', 'Top 10 most random, wtf moments' 'top 15 boss battles'. Little things like that which could inject some humour into the front page, alongside some discussion which could move some commenters to posting on the forum.

That could actually work - although it'd have to be good and unlame, unlike most of such articles are (when you look at it closely).

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As such, why not actually open TLS into a general gaming forum - to start with?

Most definitely not.

If you want to cover other video games and create content for it, I'm fine with that, but not on this frontpage as it is - it's a FF site, and it should stay that way, else it'll become a giant pile of random articles with no common denominator. Creating a new site / Wordpress installation if you or whoever can make the required content is trivial and much more effective in gaining visitors than having one site try to cover it all.

The alternative is to abandon the FF / Compilation thing altogether and use the TLS name to cover a broader array of video games. But even then I'm not too positive about it - we don't have the people with the dedication, as far as I know, to be able to provide lots of content for all those aspects.

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No, I'm saying that if we expand the view beyond just FF, then it's going to draw people in, especially if it's of the same quantity and quality as with the Compilation stuff.

Well, do we have the people and skillz for it? :monster: Lots of people have discussed the awesoem translations we've posted, but really, we only have one (1) regular translator here (as far as I know) who hasn't done anything for a while (not criticism) - we'd need at least half a dozen of those if we are to create enough content for other games as well.

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Assuming someone would show me how to record it, that is.
Hook your TV up to your PC (use it as a monitor) and use a program like Fraps (or whatever) to record it, :monster:.

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If there are legal barriers to this that would be likely to get us a cease and desist order then disregard this suggestion.
As far as I know, it's pervfectly legal to create phone emulators, :monster:. In fact, they probably exist already - what else would they use to develop the game? Getting the game wouldn't be directly possible from the site, but some hints would probably get most people going :monster:.

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Given the power Iíd be willing to revamp things quite a bit. Iím not interested in changing the politics of the way this place works any but there are some things that could make the forum experience quite a bit more comprehensive and interesting and judging from past actions Iím pretty sure the other people with the power to enact them are too lazy to do so
That's pretty vague, :monster:. What 'things' would that be, exactly? You don't need to be in staff to suggest things you know :monster:.

The Man 08/14/2010 12:02 PM

creation of skinz, tweaks of the board to expand its functionality, stuff like that. Several of the other boards I poast at have customisations that allow users to customise the way the board works to their liking a lot more than is possible here - for example, they can put specific threads, signatures, etc. on ignore, or specify what parts of the board are visible. I can't even remember what all I installed while I was still on staff here but I know there's a lot of stuff I never got around to doing.

Basically, though, the more people can customise the way the board looks to them, the more likely they'll feel at home and want to stay. If TLS offers stuff other vBs don't offer besides just the discussion, it's going to feel that much more special.

edit: here's an overview of some stuff I think would be neat to consider adding (note that each word is a link)

crack 08/14/2010 12:46 PM

Personally, I'm not sure what to think of this site turning into a general gaming site; because while it would probably attract more members, I'd feel like it'd sort of be a waste to have the staff work on Final Fantasy VII for so long, then suddenly shift to general gaming, and I don't think this site is prepared to take on that. But, I definitely agree that this forum should expand its horizons and focus on Final Fantasy in general.

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My questions regarding the site's need for new members: Where can we get new blood?
This is just a suggestion, but I think livejournal, or another place that the site could possibly promote to, would be a great place to start. Not only are the Final Fantasy communities over at livejournal extremely active, but people have their own thoughts/reviews/theories to share about Final Fantasy. Maybe if TLS started a community over at livejournal, the staff members wouldn't be the only ones limited to writing, but we could allow members of that certain community to post their own Final Fantasy related blogs. Of course, if there were to be a TLS community over at livejournal, allowing posts such as graphics and fanfiction would be better - but livejournal allows you to separate topics like those with tags, so I don't think it'd be a problem.

And I think having contests/things not completely related to just Final Fantasy is a great idea, but I think we would have to have more members for that to work. And maybe bait them convince them to stay ONCE they actually do join, instead of scaring them off like the peeps over at the LTD thread do. We have a problem with being too isolated and ironically, being a close-knit community.

Cookie Monster 08/14/2010 10:36 PM

Cba to read this entire thread, but since the creation of this site I've been saying we should either broaden the site's focus or change it entirely. Our primary focus should be on new material, NEW GAMES. Versus XIII and FF IX. Projects on older games should be our second priority.

As for unique features to add to the site, we could try the News Letter idea I came up with back on ACF. It seemed promising at the time. :monster:


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