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Makoeyes987 11/09/2009 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 182999)
To be honest if he had just made section moderator of the final fantasy forums I doubt people would care too much, but as a super mod he has access to mod everything on the board. That's a pretty major step for someone who's barely been a member for a month.

Actually I told him that he should stick to just moderating the FF/Compilation sections of the forum for now until he gets more acquainted here and stuff. So you and I were apparently thinking the same thing.


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I think the principal problem is that we have to trust your judgement of someone else's judgement, without having previously seen anything ourselves of that person's judgement to base our own opinions off of. It's strange.
Well I see what you're saying but all I can say is please trust our judgment, and really, you'll only be seeing him really mod the FFVII/FF sections, unless something really egregious (such as porn spamming, vitriolic flaming that no one else is around to handle, bot spamming) is going on elsewhere.



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Fair enough, and thanks.
No problem :monster:

The Man 11/09/2009 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Lange As Your Bartender (Post 182998)
It has a forum, and TLS is pretty close in the comparison of having information all in one place that isn't paralleled by any mainstream FF site.

Chrono Compendium was so far above any other Chrono site last time I bothered looking that it doesn't really compare. There's lots of stuff on the TLS site that can't be found anywhere else, but there's still a number of other FFVII-focused sites that have good information. If memory serves correctly I've heard there are even other sites that have started to translate the Ultimanias and OtWtaS now too.

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Who else provides the content? Did all of the information on the front page of the site get there by magic?
Last I looked only a few people on forum staff actually submitted content for the front site. Correct me if that's changed since I was on staff though.

The Man 11/09/2009 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mako Eyes (Post 183002)
Actually I told him that he should stick to just moderating the FF/Compilation sections of the forum for now until he gets more acquainted here and stuff. So you and I were apparently thinking the same thing.

Ah. :monster: To be honest if you'd clarified that he'd been specifically instructed not to mod outside of the FF sections a lot of people's qualms might have been assuaged somewhat. :wacky:

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Well I see what you're saying but all I can say is please trust our judgment, and really, you'll only be seeing him really mod the FFVII/FF sections, unless something really egregious (such as porn spamming, vitriolic flaming that no one else is around to handle, bot spamming) is going on elsewhere.
I'll do what I can. Like I said though, it's still a really strange selection and I'm not going to stop thinking that :monster:

Cat Rage Room 11/09/2009 05:47 AM

I have to go to bed too. As to what I think about Tres? I'm open to it. I understand the concerns, but hopefully he'll work out. That's my thoughts on it.

Closing thoughts? Like I said, I believe that it could be argued that a webmaster (which, I know isn't us, or me, but in this case, Yop) don't have any obligation to any of you, or any of us. In the case of any private ownership, the only obligations someone has to their stuff is to what they want it to be, no matter how many people get involved. Whether or not that person (or persons he decided to represent his viewpoint, i.e., a Staff) decides to mitigate the interests of any community that may arise is entirely up to him. That's why, unlike you, Aaron, I don't like to make 'demands' of anyone regarding their stuff.

And believe it or not, Aaron, I've been in your shoes in the site in my sig, arguing against the will of someone who I thought was fucking with the community. Yes, I do believe that fucking over a community that's gathered around your site and has faith in it is fucked up and there is a sort of commitment that should be made, but I disagree that anyone owes anyone anything. This is my own personal off the record opinion and I don't use that opinion when I make decisions here, but it's something to think about, I hope.

I'm out! I have to take my mother to the hospital tomorrow. Something else I'm stressed about.

Dashell 11/09/2009 05:49 AM

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I'm out! I have to take my mother to the hospital tomorrow
okay wow, no idea what that's about but hope that goes well for you.

The Man 11/09/2009 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 183006)
okay wow, no idea what that's about but hope that goes well for you.

+1 :monster:

ForceStealer 11/09/2009 06:21 AM

23 pages. Damn.

Ryushikaze 11/09/2009 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 183003)
Chrono Compendium was so far above any other Chrono site last time I bothered looking that it doesn't really compare. There's lots of stuff on the TLS site that can't be found anywhere else, but there's still a number of other FFVII-focused sites that have good information. If memory serves correctly I've heard there are even other sites that have started to translate the Ultimanias and OtWtaS now too.

Mostly, they're cribbing off this site, from what I've seen.
Save Xcomp. He's cool.

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Last I looked only a few people on forum staff actually submitted content for the front site. Correct me if that's changed since I was on staff though.

Omega 11/09/2009 07:38 AM

Okay, whoa. I just spent the past hour and a half getting caught up on the posts in this ridiculous thread. And I've quoted about ten separate posts.

So yeah. Typing up a very, very, VERY long post, so please do not close yet. Thank yooooou!

The Man 11/09/2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryushikaze (Post 183031)
Mostly, they're cribbing off this site, from what I've seen.

Save Xcomp. He's cool.

Xcomp's site was specifically what I was referring to. I couldn't remember his screen name.

Omega 11/09/2009 08:29 AM

First off, everyone needs to stop all this bullshit back and forth arguing. It looks like it has, though likely only for now, given the parties involved. Everyone chill out and shut the FUCK up. I can't speak for EVERYONE else on the forum, but I'm goddamn tired of reading this ridiculous fucking thread.

First point here before I go and quote about ten posts: no one is questioning the guy's qualifications/worthiness/what the fuck ever (okay, maybe Aaron, but w/e). Aaron's response to this was right on target - "Who?" Personally, I do't give a shit about credentials, staff reasoning, or anything else. But I DO think it's fucking ridiculous for staff to expect people to accept a new moderator if they don't know WHO THE FUCK THE GUY/GIRL IS. I have honestly NEVER heard of this particular member before. Not. Once. Maybe it's because I don't hang about the compilation section (tbh, it bores me since it always seems to be about the same crap, the LTD, barring the occasional good random-ass theory, often supplied by Moogle or Mako - good show, guys, seriously; keep it up, it's interesting!). I'm not asking what hobbies he has or anything else...but is it SO MUCH to expect the new guy to INTRODUCE HIMSELF to the members in his new capacity? Not even a huge thing, just, 'ohai, just made a mod, wish me luck, hope we have fun, w/e w/e'. It's worth noting that the fellow hasn't made ANY POSTS AT ALL IN THIS THREAD since the whole shitstorm began. This already doesn't instill me with a lot of confidence, given that it's ABOUT him. Speak up and don't feel timid, or pay attention, whatever the case may be. Leaves me feeling like he's a lame duck, to be very frank.

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Originally Posted by Ron Weasley (Post 182839)
For the record, I think it's worth pointing out/reiterating that I don't think anybody wants to personally attack or go after Tres. I'm sure he is a great guy and will make a good moderator. People's issues just seem to be with why and how this decision came about. Since I don't know him personally and he could very well be a nice guy, I just wanted to point this out.

Exactly so.

Mako's post to Celes
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Originally Posted by Mako Eyes (Post 182843)
You speak as if that were the only prerequisite evaluated. Considering the fact we wanted to find someone who would be more than capable of filling the qualifications, skills, and posting ability of the mod before (i.e. Schala) Tres was the member who fit the bill, while also exhibiting those traits in the first place. That was our decision and reasoning for doing it. Again, how does finding another individual who had the same qualifications, skills, positive attitude, and experience random?





Because its not just about post count when evaluating who can and can't be a mod. It's about quality, experience, and who the actual member is. I'd like to know where there was ever a post count requirement stated in regards to who got to be a mod here? And I didn't know we had people who deserved and were entitled to be a mod. I must've missed something.






Well thanks but that's your opinion. If we're looking for a member to fill the specific hole left behind by a previous staffer, and we find an experienced member who fills that space in every conceivable way possible and is qualified, then we're not going to let nepotism and popularity stop the person who's more qualified and the better choice stop us. That's the whole point of us exercising our judgment in the first place and evaluating how he works out.





She is an awesome member, and I don't disagree with that at all. But she wasn't the choice for filling in the hole we were looking to fill. That's your opinion and this was ours and the choice we made.


Whoa now, buddy. You're WAY out of line here. Your tone of voice is very, very snarky and a bit rude, and it's totally uncalled for, especially considering she's not a part of the 'usual suspects' when it comes time to use the word 'rabblerousing' (I believe the term "Koolaid kids" was used?). 'That's your opinion but thanks'? Dude...not cool. You talk about wanting a 'fresh set of eyes/new opinion' on things, and then you act like this towards someone providing just that?

And don't give me any 'show me exactly where I was rude' BS, either. We both know exactly what I'm saying, exactly what is meant by it, and that I'm very, very right. Don't do it again, please.


Celespoast
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Originally Posted by Leo Kliesen (Post 182874)
Mako, my point was NEVER that high post counts = istant Mod. My point is that the members don't know Tres well, and that Members who have been here longer who are just as good, weren't chosen. I was wondering why, that's ALL. I never meant that someone with over 9,000 posts should be Admin. Because then you'd have to Mod Ali and she never posts anything anymore. The point is that 127 posts suggests that he hasn't been here that long- and he hasn't. You guys know him and that's cool (I've only heard stories and he seems pretty nice from the posts I've seen), but the members don't seem to. That's why it seems random to a lot of us. I never said it was a contest either, maybe I shouldn't have said "WIN" but I didn't know how else to say it. x'D Just think, you've been a member here a long time, you've been told countless times that you're posts are amazing, that you should be modded, and then a new person who you've seen post a handful of times in one section after joining gets the position? Would that make sense if to you? That's what I've been trying to say.

And I've never once said he was a bad choice or that he'd do bad. In fact I keep saying that he's a great guy. The biggest thing I think, is that Staff here seems to have ignored the members of the Forum on this one. What makes Ten/Aaron/Alex/Meggy/anyone else anyone has mentioned not qualified for the spot? You haven't really answered that at all. >.<


Couple things here. First, agreement. It's just a matter of people KNOWING the guy. Second - er, no. Aaron has no business being back on staff beyond a technical capacity at most, from what I can see (sorry, dude, but you know I'm right); the staff in general doesn't like Alex (it's true, just stating a fact), and since members find him one of the meanest people on site and just generally don't like him - not that he wouldn't be a good choice (and yeah, call me out for sticking up for my mate here if you like, but he's a bastion of sensibility and wit in an otherwise stormy sea), as proved by his general willingness to help out and make things better (see best moments of comp. contest); and lastly, me? Yeah...not so much. I may be reasonable, level-headed, and extremely impartial, but I'm associated with the wrong people, my level of interest in the goings-on here and online in general is waning, I don't really participate enough in the focus of the site, and I'm an unabashed spammer...plus I don't want and haven't been offered the job. Less than ideal.


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Originally Posted by Mako Eyes (Post 182889)
the fact we as staff made our choice to make him a mod based on who he was, his experience in other FF communities we've been apart of, his past postings, contributions, helpful actions for our own projects, and positive attitude is more than enough reason in our eyes

Of course it is - it's your collective opinion, after all. This is just me pointing out the incredible weakness of this argument.


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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 182890)
And I'm sorry, but for every post Ryu quoted as being an alleged "blatant flame", I could find a worse quote from a member of staff.

Missing the point here, dude.

I will note that elsewhere in this same post Aaron makes a mention of rapport - this is kinda my point as well: the general lack of rapport the fellow has with non-compilation-frequenting members.


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Originally Posted by Mako Eyes (Post 182901)
Tres has demonstrated rapport since he's been here, and more positive bonds and interactions can be established now and in the future. Do you think he's suddenly not going to post, or talk to members here now that he's not a mod now? Do you think he'll disappear from the forum and only appear to hand out warnings or bans to members?

Apparently not. That's all I'll say. That, and, to be honest, if we're looking at the actions of prior staff as precedent...doesn't instill a lot of confidence, does it?

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Originally Posted by Mako Eyes (Post 182917)
No one's entitled.

I will say this, Mako - this applies to ALL of us, including yourself. Everyone's entitled to an opinion and the ability to express it, but no one is entitled to e-power.

Bunch of posts regarding 'eat dicks' drama
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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 182932)
I'm not seeing how a joking insinuation that someone may or may not have committed fellatio is an insult. It's a joke.

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Originally Posted by Ted Lange As Your Bartender (Post 182934)
The last time I was joking and said this I got into one of the biggest shitstorms of my entire stay here. I'm beginning to think that some of the people here are pretty selective over the stuff that gets their panties in knots.

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 182937)
To be fair I think the point in that situation was that you are a mod and shouldn't be making such comments.

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Originally Posted by Ted Lange As Your Bartender (Post 182938)
MODS CAN'T HAVE FUN

EXCUSE ME I HAVE TO GET BACK TO MY GRAY CUBICLE IN THE BASEMENT OF THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH AND HAVE A FEW SIPS OF MY INNER PARTY COFFEE

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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 182942)
There's a difference between implying someone might have sucked cock, and directly ordering them to suck cock after they have given you constructive criticism.

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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 182944)
Do you think that Phobos literally meant to imply that Tres fellated the staff members? Because that's what I'm reading here.

I have a problem with the inconsistency. But you're wrong, I don't have a problem with you being laid back. I wish you were more laid back to be honest. Slightly risqué comments don't need to get form letter warnings.

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Originally Posted by Quexinos (Post 182945)
Of course you can joke, anyone can, but you should make it clear you're joking. IIRC there was a huge argument as to whether or not you were joking. I'm not saying the shit storm was justified, in fact it was one of the stranger ones that have come up here, but wasn't the point that people didn't know you were joking?

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Originally Posted by Ted Lange As Your Bartender (Post 182948)
Oh sweet Lord you have to be kidding me. I forgot jokes can't come in the form of 'direct orders.' They're mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 182950)
The problem here was that no one knew you were joking. The fact that you said it as a direct response to a very serious piece of constructive criticism did not help your case in the slightest


This is getting things twisted. The fact is that it was being way too familiar with people you don't know is bad. And, tbh, Mog is right, this is a case of being selective about what's going to be considered bad form/rude/insulting. It's not like it doesn't go both ways.

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Originally Posted by Mog
I just don't get it. I can understand say, Celes having a problem with something here or there (because she doesn't constantly complain), but members like Aaron find fault in almost everything that goes on here.

It's my opinion that if everyone always agreed, this forum would stagnate and die very quickly. Opinions like Aaron's (I'll even toss in the rest of the "Koolaid kids") are rather essential, whether you admit it or not. However, it's rather rude to try and discredit someone because they always have something to say. This is unacceptable, on BOTH sides of the spectrum. You two need to cut that shit out NOW. Tired of fucking seeing it.

This post also implies that having a problem is only allowed if it's every now and again. Don't bother responding to this bit, Mog, since I'm not getting into a conversation about it. Stating an opinion + fact (you and Aaron bit; Aaron, don't reply to this, either).


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Originally Posted by Mako Eyes (Post 182962)
However in this case, we felt an appointment of someone new who doesn't have their opinions and judgments colored by the previous happenings and interactions with members here, would be a good idea. A blank slate in regards to what goes on here.

Because everyone here on staff is a veteran, and we want a new perspective that isn't one belonging to a veteran or long time member here to give their two cents on matters here. It's a unique and new perspective that hasn't been on staff before.

Well I'm not sure what else I can do to convince you. However, maybe you could be convinced by actually seeing how it works out. It's not like its going to hurt anyone.

Ummm...no. This last bit is unacceptable as an argument to me. Why? See recent ideas on site improvements meeting extreme opposition when suggested as a 'trial basis' idea. This is blatant hypocrisy.

I DO, however, agree with the rest - the idea of a fresh set of eyes. So good show there :P


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Originally Posted by Mako Eyes (Post 183002)
Actually I told him that he should stick to just moderating the FF/Compilation sections of the forum for now until he gets more acquainted here and stuff. So you and I were apparently thinking the same thing.

Well I see what you're saying but all I can say is please trust our judgment, and really, you'll only be seeing him really mod the FFVII/FF sections, unless something really egregious (such as porn spamming, vitriolic flaming that no one else is around to handle, bot spamming) is going on elsewhere.

'Trust your judgment' is not an acceptable position with things like this. Just as an fyi.

And only moderating the FF areas is a very bad idea, IN MY OPINION, since it means that he won't be building that all-important rapport/establishing his identity outside of it =/


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Originally Posted by Ⓐaron (Post 183004)
Ah. :monster: To be honest if you'd clarified that he'd been specifically instructed not to mod outside of the FF sections a lot of people's qualms might have been assuaged somewhat. :wacky:

This is crap.


In summation - shut all of the bullshit arguing the fuck up and have the guy speak for his own goddamn self. This thread has infuriated me beyond belief, to the point that I just used a swear I really hate using, multiple times.

Thank you for your time.

Celes Chere 11/09/2009 08:40 AM

TLDR.

J/k. Okay, fair enough about what you said about the people I mentioned I guess, but what about Tennyo? Do you agree with what everyone has been saying about her, at least? c: Just wondering, because she's the only person you didn't comment on. xD

Dashell 11/09/2009 08:41 AM

You know this is a good point... has Tres said anything about this in his defense?

Omega 11/09/2009 08:52 AM

I got no beef with Ten, no, and think she would make an excellent mod, were it not for the fact that I never see her around much these days (though this might be due to ME not being on as much, sooo... :monster:). However, that's all rather beside the point =/

Q: whooooa, now. He's not on trial, and shouldn't be speaking 'in his defense'. But hearing him speak for himself and giving some thoughts and opinions on teh matter at hand would be a good step, imo. This helps build trust with people who are unfamiliar with him, etc.

Or, at least, I know *I'M* not the type to trust someone I've never met, talked to, or heard of before :monster:

Dashell 11/09/2009 08:55 AM

yeah sorry I mean speak for himself is all :monster:


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