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Old 09/20/2010   #16
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That is some smelly poop right ther

You don't painstakingly develop a system where magic has been turned into a science, only to start throwing hogwash like this around. You don't develop a gameworld wherein the afterlife is a tangible, rational thing and then just give a cubicle-farmer the superpower to bring pens and doilies to life.

Would the doilies go into the Lifestream?

The ambiguity around Cait Sith was one of the more interesting things left unsaid about Final Fantasy VII (as FF7's strengths were mostly what was left unsaid). It very subtly handled the old robot question of the validity of life even if it is programmed (or, in Cait Sith's case, directly controlled). Cait Sith also played into the theme of puppetry and manipulation, and what it means to make a choice. He was ALSO important to bear in mind when thinking about identity, as Reeve prefers to remain as Cait Sith even after he is outed, suggesting that the character has become the man, and vice versa. There is just a truckload of subtext and depth in the character that it gets hard to fault him for being an excitable annoyance.

Now, a wizard did it. The magic cat is all there is.

If Reeve has this power, why didn't he use it all the time for his job? Urban development, hmm. He could bring cranes to life and they could build flawless infrastructure. He could bring dollar bills to life so they could have sex with each other and make new dollar bills. He could bring the roads to life so they could give him weekly status reports on traffic.

He wouldn't be, you know, rounded up by the Science Department and experimented on? Aeris couldn't do shit like that. Nobody can. Cause it's smelly poop POOP POOPY CA CA

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Old 09/20/2010   #17
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Ryu wrote: LIES.

Also, Splintered, Inspire is an ill explained superpower that Reeve has that lets him turn inanimate object animate.
Oh, I know what inspire is, well, what it is suppose to be anyway. Doesn't make it any less confusing.

There is some shit that shouldn't bother having an explanation. Like RedXIII. Why can he talk, why is his tail on fire, how is it on fire? Or in Wutai when trying to get Yuffie's limit break, how can all those people turn into monsters? How come nobody thought it was weird that there was a sentient cat being carried ontop of a moogle, fighting with a megaphone- when they almost shit bricks about RedXIII?

Nobody cares, it is because it is. Trying to wrangle some sort of explanation just makes it worse.
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Old 09/20/2010   #18
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Let's all just conspire
To ignore Inspire.
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Old 09/20/2010   #19
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Old 09/20/2010   #20
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Splintered wrote: Like RedXIII. Why can he talk, why is his tail on fire, how is it on fire?
Obviously, Nanaki decedents were Charmanders. Duh

The saddest thing is, with the power to give life to ANY inanimate object, he choose Cait Sith
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Old 09/20/2010   #21
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He could have theoretically given life to Aerith. Well, at least to her body. Imagine that; puppet Aerith walking around speaking an irish accent.

mr_ite wrote: If Reeve has this power, why didn't he use it all the time for his job? Urban development, hmm. He could bring cranes to life and they could build flawless infrastructure. ... He could bring the roads to life so they could give him weekly status reports on traffic.
I think we just found the explanation for all the inconsistencies with Midgar. The reason that the parts of Midgar destroyed in AC are whole again in DoC is because, well, Reeve told the city to repair itself. Glad we got that sorted out!
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Old 09/20/2010   #22
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mr_ite wrote: He wouldn't be, you know, rounded up by the Science Department and experimented on? Aeris couldn't do shit like that.
And this is an excellent point. Hojo would be all over that shit.

Furthermore, this isn't a case of "explaining something that's better left up to the player." That implies that it was a mystery that fans had fun speculating about. Its a case of explaining something that didn't require any explanation. Its a remote control cat, seems to be able to act autonomously for periods of time. Okay, there was nothing mysterious or difficult to accept about that in FF7's world. Why come up with something so nonsensical?

Was the giant moogle Inspired as well? Or did the cat just drive it?
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Old 09/20/2010   #23
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One thing to note about Inspire: Only Cait Sith comes of it.
Cait Sith #4 from DoC was crafted out of a Moogle doll, and reverted to one when he 'died.'

If all Reeve can do is make Cait Sith, even Hojo wouldn't want to investigate.
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Old 09/20/2010   #24
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Ryu wrote: Cait Sith #4 from DoC was crafted out of a Moogle doll, and reverted to one when he 'died.'
Eh...what? Really?
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Old 09/20/2010   #25
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From FFVII manual:
"Cait Sith rides around on the back of a huge stuffed Mog he magically brought to life. Megaphone in hand, he's always shouting orders and creating dopey attacks."

So Cait Sith is brought to life by Reeve, and Cait Sith brings life to this Mog but we are not explicitly told if this was an act of an 'autonomous' Cait Sith, or if Reeve was in direct control of this process.

If Reeve can control whatever he animates, then why do Cait Sith bother with using a megaphone to shout orders to the stuffed mog? Should not controlling the mog be the same as controlling Cait Sith?
Here is where I would argue that control of the mog is something that Reeve leaves to the free/autonomous Cait Sith. But in that case, we have an 'Inspired' object in turn using 'Inspire' on another object. What happens as you advance this ladder, making each object 'Inspire' another?
Maybe for each time an animated object uses Inspire the next animated object has a more primitive consciousness thus potentially explaining Cait Sith's use of the megaphone to order the mog around. ...No wait, it doesn't! We see Cait Sith 'puppeteering' the mog all the time; the mog follows the cat's motions perfectly without any use of the megaphone. Why is the megaphone so important for attacking?
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Old 09/20/2010   #26
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ForceStealer wrote: Eh...what? Really?
Yeah. When you see Cait fade out, you see a moogle doll (I think it's a moogle. Might just be a teddy bear) for a split second in his place.

Shademp wrote: From FFVII manual:
"Cait Sith rides around on the back of a huge stuffed Mog he magically brought to life. Megaphone in hand, he's always shouting orders and creating dopey attacks."

So Cait Sith is brought to life by Reeve, and Cait Sith brings life to this Mog but we are not explicitly told if this was an act of an 'autonomous' Cait Sith, or if Reeve was in direct control of this process.

If Reeve can control whatever he animates, then why do Cait Sith bother with using a megaphone to shout orders to the stuffed mog? Should not controlling the mog be the same as controlling Cait Sith?
Here is where I would argue that control of the mog is something that Reeve leaves to the free/autonomous Cait Sith. But in that case, we have an 'Inspired' object in turn using 'Inspire' on another object. What happens as you advance this ladder, making each object 'Inspire' another?
Maybe for each time an animated object uses Inspire the next animated object has a more primitive consciousness thus potentially explaining Cait Sith's use of the megaphone to order the mog around. ...No wait, it doesn't! We see Cait Sith 'puppeteering' the mog all the time; the mog follows the cat's motions perfectly without any use of the megaphone. Why is the megaphone so important for attacking?
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Cait thinks it is.
Alternately, this is a case of Manual Deceit, where statements in the manual are not the literal truth, but what people think or say is the truth. Samus is a 'he' in the Metroid Manual, after all.
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Old 09/20/2010   #27
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Ryu wrote: Yeah. When you see Cait fade out, you see a moogle doll (I think it's a moogle. Might just be a teddy bear) for a split second in his place.
After the bit with Nero under Midgar? I thought that was the doll the little girl from Kalm had (implying she'd been turned into mako)?

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At 9:22, Cait Sith disappears on the walkway and the scene changes to the mako pool with the moogle doll.
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Old 09/20/2010   #28
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Yeah, that was the little girl's moogle doll. Had nothing to do with Cait Sith.
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Old 09/20/2010   #29
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Yao Hisako wrote: After the bit with Nero under Midgar? I thought that was the doll the little girl from Kalm had (implying she'd been turned into mako)?

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At 9:22, Cait Sith disappears on the walkway and the scene changes to the mako pool with the moogle doll.
Ariadne wrote: Yeah, that was the little girl's moogle doll. Had nothing to do with Cait Sith.
I took that as him being teleported into the mako pool as usable energy and the doll being his remaining physical remnant.
Where's the moogle doll seen earlier in the game? I seem to have missed it.
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Old 09/20/2010   #30
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The little girl being shoved into one of those people-boxes in the opening sequence is holding one.
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