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Old 01/11/2018   #16
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Looks like they're doing the story based on Lethal Protector and Planet of the Symbiotes. It'll be interesting to see how they avoid using Spider-Man, but relocating Venom, centering his conflict around the other Symbiotes, and focusing on the specifics of the relationship that Venom and Eddie have there seems to be a really good approach. I can definitely see why this would be descending into R-Rated territory.





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Old 02/07/2018   #17
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Something for this (likely a teaser) drops TOMORROW.





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Old 02/08/2018   #18
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Then:

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Old 02/08/2018   #19
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Eh, that was kind of nothing. Didn't do much for me.
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Old 02/08/2018   #20
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Brief teaser trailer thoughts

Would have been nice to see Venom. On the other hand the trailer might have been purposeful by only briefly showing the black "goo". I'm getting the impression that the symbiote has been removed from Eddie Brock and that he's experiencing withdrawal symptoms. If the plot is about how Eddie's life is looking without the symbiote, then I am concerned. We want to see Venom more than we want to see Eddie Brock. Hopefully my suspicions about the plot are incorrect.
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Old 02/08/2018   #21
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Given the comics that the story is based on, the little bits we saw and heard in the trailer have me quite excited. I recently went back and read through Lethal Protector and Planet of the Symbiotes to try and get a feel for what this would be about.

A basic loose overview is Eddie Brock leaving everything behind and trying to start a new life as Venom in California without a place to really belong, and trying to be a hero even if he's more violent about how he goes about it. We get the big bad evil corporation experimenting with Symbiotes and using him as an unwilling test subject to create others that he has to stop. There's also a part after that where he wonders if the Symbiote is changing who he is and they split up, causing it to scream out in pain — triggering an invasion. During the invasion it ends up in him realizing that they are who they are together, and rejoining with the Symbiote to kick ass, stop the invasion, (and possibly also Carnage).

Given that we haven't been shown what they look like as Venom, I'm expecting that's because they want to get the VFX nailed down before showing it off, and something like this also involves LOTS of other Symbiotes, so I think that it hit all the right notes as a teaser for the material it's based off of.

The real call will still be when we get a proper trailer, but it's definitely the right tone and the right setup so far.





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Old 02/09/2018   #22
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Even with that in mind, I just don't feel like this is going to work. It needs more set-up than what they've given the concept (you can't introduce the symbiote and then more symbiotes in the same movie without diluting the significance of the original), and if this particular teaser is supposed to give an overall feel for the movie as a whole, I expect a flop.

It may even be a good flop to us fans of the comics, but a flop 'twill be.
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Old 02/09/2018   #23
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The Twilight Mexican wrote: Even with that in mind, I just don't feel like this is going to work. It needs more set-up than what they've given the concept (you can't introduce the symbiote and then more symbiotes in the same movie without diluting the significance of the original), and if this particular teaser is supposed to give an overall feel for the movie as a whole, I expect a flop.

It may even be a good flop to us fans of the comics, but a flop 'twill be.
I'd gladly disagree.

I feel like the story in Planet of the Symbiotes really hits at the core of what makes the Venom Symbiote different than the other ones (as it goes into mountains of detail about how it's different than its bretheren in how it wants to BOND with a host, rather than use them up like a husk). Take that along with the starting framework given by Lethal Protector of Eddie leaving NYC and not really feeling like he has a place and trying to be a hero in his own way in SF, and I think that there's PLENTY of opportunity for differentiating the Symbiote, without needing to linger on the direct Spider-Man-based origin story. On top of that, you've got the setup of the evil corporation subjecting him to experiments and creating other Symbiotes spawned from Venom to dive into a story centered all around the Venom Symbiote and its emotions (the psychic scream is what triggers the others to come find it), especially because Planet of the Symbiotes ties that all together with him firmly establishing THEIR identity as Venom.

I honestly felt more hesitant about it before reading those arcs and trying to think about how you could make a film work given a questionable level of allowable connection to Spider-Man.* Given the things that you hear in Tom Hardy's voice over in the teaser, it seems like it's hitting on all those big points that I think can define Venom outside of just his relationship with Spidey, which is also the trajectory that those comics take to establish Venom to stand on his own. It helps to paint Venom as a cosmic entity that's more than just a muscle-bound black Spider-Man, which I think is probably the most important thing.

*since there're various levels of Spider-Man not/maybe/yes being in the film (not connected to the MCU or adjuncts to the film like Agents of SHIELD or Maybe we'll see them cross over). I'm assuming no until hearing otherwise, but it'd be rad if there was a loose reference to the costume in Infinity War, or we get some other connection to Spidey & the suit just in Venom.

Either way, I think that this film can work really well given just those two storylines, without needing to be an origin film, but still establishing Venom's origin.


tl;dr – the black suit origin feels like it establishes Venom & Spider-Man's relationship, but these two stories feel like they they establish the larger Venom-as-his-own-anti-hero origins that lets the character stand on its own – which is the biggest and most important thing it needs to be able to do.




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Old 02/10/2018   #24
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As always, I appreciate your eternal optimism.

But like I said, whether it's a good film isn't going to be enough to make it work. Venom hasn't even managed to get out from under the shadow of being a Spidey derivative in the comics (no matter how much Marvel wants to pretend he has), so he sure hasn't done so with general audiences whose only knowledge (if any) of Venom will be from the disappointing "Spider-Man 3" movie and/or the 90s Spidey cartoon on FOX.

He was a Spidey derivative then and he's a Spidey derivative now. If they're really adapting a storyline where the villains are then derivative of him ... we have a recipe for an "I Don't Care" cocktail from moviegoers at large.

That's just this one lifelong Marvel nerd's prediction.
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Old 02/10/2018   #25
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I think Venom can stand on his own two feet and make a blockbuster movie with the story lines that are available, but not with that trailer. If you see signs the story could be potentially awesome based on that trailer, well, fantastic. For people like myself, outside the comic bubble, it's like an average person looking at a piece of abstract art, unable to read the signs it is communicating. It looks average at best.

I'm not chucking this on the garbage yet though, I just want to see more. Fire the marketing department and bring in whoever is handling Deadpool . Marketing folk should pitch to the audience like a writer (etc) would pitch their idea to a movie studio. Why do I want to see this film? What makes it so special?
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Old 02/11/2018   #26
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Interesting, because I feel completely the opposite, though I'd guess you and I have fundamentally different views on Venom's character, probably BECAUSE of how we see Spider-Man's role in his story. I've honestly found Venom significantly more interesting than Spider-Man ever since playing Maximum Carnage back in '94 since that was really my exposure to the character since I didn't properly read comics until way later in my life. (That's exacerbated now because I've continually grown largely disinterested in Peter Parker, and vastly more interested in the derivative incarnations he lead to: case in point, I'm currently only reading Miles Morales, Gwen, & Venom's ongoing series from the Spider-fam).


I'd be more than willing to venture that most folk who're interested in seeing a Venom film are most interested in seeing something actually about Venom being the main focus. Venom already being the extant Anti-Hero and digging into more about the Symbiotes rather than retreading the Black Suit relationship with Spider-Man where Venom only really exists in the later half and basically just gets to exist as the villain placed directly in Spider-Man's shadow is the best way to do that.

It's worth remembering that Spider-Man Homecoming didn't even cover Peter's origin story (because it's been done to death), and Marvel even did the same thing with The Incredible Hulk by showing the origin in the opening credit montage. Those both show that no matter how pivotal something in an origin is (like Spidey being the first Symbiote host), it's clear that if the most bare basics of a superhero is known well enough by the audience, you can make a successful first film for a new incarnation of a character that ISN'T an origin film. It's not a surprise that Sony's going for the same thing here with Venom, given that he's a massively popular character AND (like it or not) Spider-Man 3 still has the highest worldwide gross of ANY Spider-Man film and Venom was in it. That helps get his story on his feet, since it's a mess it is to get from the origin of the Black Suit, through the interactions Peter has with it, and then into making the Symbiote pair with Eddie to a point where he could take center stage as the main character. So long as the audience has even the most loose basic awareness of Venom, that's totally sufficient for what's needed here, especially insofar as the start of Lethal Protector is concerned.

There's a reason Venom is still one of the most popular characters in things like Marvel Vs. Capcom — and it's not because he used to be a costume for Spider-Man. The draw is all about Eddie's relationship with his fluid extraterrestrial Symbiote, monstrous muscle-bound appearance paired with being an anti-hero. If they want Venom to stand on his own, it makes sense to focus on the origin of who he is as his own hero APART from the connection to Spider-Man — which is really what Lethal Protector and Planet of the Symbiotes are all about, and why the former is how they started Venom's first solo comic series. The story gives him a purpose and development of his own focused on Eddie and the Symbiote where Spider-Man's involvement is entirely tertiary. It gave Eddie a fresh start in a new city and focused on that like a new origin story for him there. On top of that, Planet of the Symbiotes gives the other side of the development to their pair, so that we understand the Symbiote's point of view, and what makes it unique, and ultimately how their relationship together solidifies itself in the very last panel:

"We are content. We've reconciled our ambivalence, accepted what we are. Saving an entire world brought that home once and for all. Now we know it is our immutable destiny to protect innocents, no matter the cost. Which of us decided how to reach that goes is irrelevant; its achievement is all that truly matters. And for that reason, we are… and will always remain… Venom!"



tl;dr — Venom is always better the less you focus on Spider-Man and the more give him room to breathe and be his own hero, and that's exactly what the stories they're using do, because it can be a successful without being an origin story.





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Old 02/12/2018   #27
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I dunno, I think it's pretty much all about the badass costume. Nobody gives a shit about Eddie "It's your fault my life was ruined because I lied about the work I did for my job" Brock.

That being said, I freely admit my long-held bias to my Octopi and Goblins, and consider it undisputable that Venom contributed greatly to the complete and utter shit that was Spider-Man comics in the 90s.

He was great until he got the stupid tongue, though. McFarlane!Venom was fantastic
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Old 02/12/2018   #28
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Well, I at least agree with your first paragraph and last sentence, JSMK9.

X-SOLDIER wrote: tl;dr — Venom is always better the less you focus on Spider-Man and the more give him room to breathe and be his own hero, and that's exactly what the stories they're using do, because it can be a successful without being an origin story.
I think we're using "successful" and "work" differently. I'm saying this movie will surprise the hell out of me if it's successful in the way that sees it get a sequel. It could be great; I just don't think it's going to have the draw they want, especially if that trailer is the best they can do to market the thing.

We'll see, though, and hopefully I'm wrong.
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I think if they SKIP THE FUCKING BACKSTORY except in brief, they could do something interesting with this. Keep the timeline vague, just have Eddie mention he did some bad things in his past, made a friend, did some worse things, now he's trying to turn things around in San Fran. Have him be actively investigating the company making the symbiotes, maybe have him feel responsible for their creation and escape. The film doesn't need to be shakespeare. Just needs to give us a decent antihero and a redeption story.
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Ugh that accent ruined the entire thing for me
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