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Agrippa · 10/14/2017

This question was inspired by having played through and re-watching the Solomon Grundy boss fight in Arkham City. Now I'm assuming that most of you aware of not only Batman as a character and a franchise but of the the Batman Arkham game series, A.K.A. the Arkhamverse. From what you know, would any of the heroes, both main characters and party members, of any Final Fantasy game display the same blanket level of unwillingness to kill/resort to lethal force that Gotham's Dark Knight does against the Arkhamverse Rogues Gallery? This is just out of idle curiosity.

ChipNoir · 10/14/2017

...The usual FF way: Stab it in the face till it bleeds and dies. This is the game series where even small children can become hardened murderers.

Ghost X · 10/14/2017

Well, FF characters aren't averse to killing lots of anything. Good for getting EXP

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Agrippa · 10/14/2017

On a more serious note, I don't imagine any of the Final Fantasy heroes having a blanket opposition to killing. Not even the kindly white mage types. The likes of the Joker, Victor Zsasz and yes, I'd say Ra's al Ghul are irredeemable and monstrous murderers. Whether they kill for pleasure, or in the case of Ra's, for the sake of the environment, their crimes are without justification and they themselves largely, if not entirely, lack in morally redeeming features. I'd say that the heroes of the Final Fantasy series would not be on good terms with Batman as a result of this philosophical disagreement, no matter how many innocents they save or help to save.

As an aside, considering the power late game Final Fantasy's heroes tend to have, wouldn't it be fair to count them as superheroes, albeit ones with no secret identities?

Mr. Ite · 10/14/2017

If Batman was in an FF game, he would more likely than not get in the heroes' way while the villain opened some doom gate, launching us into Act III of the game and probably getting himself killed in the process.

If FF characters were in a Batman game, one of the final missions would be stopping the misguided heroes before they killed a villain, then punching the boastful villain into unconsciousness.

If Batman weren't involved, well, I see no problem. Stabby stabby boom slice!

Obsidian Fire · 10/14/2017

Yeah, the FF heroes are way too pragmatic for the Batman family to be okay with, except for maybe Jason. And if this is Arkham universe... either Jason would be pinging all their Sephrioth radars or he, Vincent and Cloud would be having a blast (literally) destroying Arkham.

Agrippa · 10/15/2017

Yeah, even Aerith would be too pragmatic for the Batfamily's comfort. By the way, isn't Arkham Asylum built on cursed/haunted ground, so maybe the legitimately mentally ill should be moved elsewhere. Especially the children's ward. Yes, Arkham Goddamn Asylum has a children's ward.

Mr. Ite · 10/15/2017

Aeris would be a "good" villain like Todd, if she didn't straight up go off the deep end like Harley.

Agrippa · 10/15/2017

Mr. Ite wrote: Aeris would be a "good" villain like Todd, if she didn't straight up go off the deep end like Harley.

Or she might decide, "Screw it, is there anyone of the of world's heavy hitting heroes who isn't inflexibly stupid about dealing with irredeemable homicidal maniacs?!" Considering that Metropolis and the other major cities and locales are unseen parts of the Arkhamverse there probably is.

Shademp · 10/15/2017

Remember this?

Angeal: I'll set the bomb inside the fortress. You'll charge the front gate, and...
Zack: Uh-huh, and? And? And? And?
Angeal: Indulge yourself.
Zack: You got it! That's what I do best!

Reference

JechtShotMK9 · 10/16/2017

I think a more interesting case would be if you stripped the various FF villains of their powers, and threw them in Arkham. How would they interact with the various Bat-Villains?

Agrippa · 10/16/2017

JechtShotMK9 wrote: I think a more interesting case would be if you stripped the various FF villains of their powers, and threw them in Arkham. How would they interact with the various Bat-Villains?

"So then," says the Clown Prince of Crime, "who exactly the hell are you? I can tell you're going for the whole demented clown routine, but I thought that was my shtick! Well Harley's too, but since she's my lady friend/punching bag that only makes sense. Frankly you make me look subtle! I may have a penchant purple pin-stripe tuxes, as well as murder and general mayhem, but you dress so flamboyantly even Liberace would be begging you to tone it down!"

Hands clasped behind his back, Emperor Gestahl's former attack dog flashes a wicked grin before replying, "Kefka Palazoo, former general and court magician, as in wielder of actual magic, not sleight of hand, in service to Emperor Gestahl. As I always say, 'Nothing beats the sound of a thousand voices screaming in unison!' If you're wondering yes, Gestahl actually let me dress like this as general. Both in the field and in the war room!" Kefka finishes with a shrill laugh.

"And to think people call me The Joker!" Joker says with an amused huff. "Well, did you kill the idiot then?"

"Oh I tried to," Kefka wistfully replies, "but alas I failed. We were on a floating continent waiting for a pack of rebels called the Returners so we could ambush..."

"For the love of drowning puppies, kittens and little children, don't tell me they honestly called themselves the 'Returners'!" Joker says, "That's the stupidest name for a group I've ever heard yet! Believe me pal, I've heard some real dozes! Like the Doom Patrol and that Brotherhood of Dada."

Agrippa · 10/16/2017

ChipNoir wrote: ...The usual FF way: Stab it in the face till it bleeds and dies. This is the game series where even small children can become hardened murderers.

I wouldn't say murderers. Murder is a subset of killing, all murders are killings, but not all killings are murders. I'd argue that Final Fantasy's heroes are capable of is serial justifiable homicide, canicide, felicide, deicide, tyrannicide and ect. Both mentally and physically capable of it.

Minato · 10/16/2017

Well all premeditated homicide was justified in some way in the killer's head. Cecil's kingly orders, Shadow and Cloud's money, Locke's cider, Celes' Imperial orders, Barret's Planet all might sound like good reason to kill someone not neccesarily even fighting back to them, doesn't mean it's not murder.

Mr. Ite · 10/16/2017

“How droll,” says Joker. “The philosophers are at it again with their word choices. What does it matter whether we call it killing or murder? I’m only after results. Wouldn’t you agree, Palazzo?”

“Uweee hee hee!” Kefka finishes picking the lock with a sharp bit of his sleeve’s fabric.

10/14/2017	#1
Agrippa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Age: 33 Sex: Male Location: Moline, IL	How would the heroes of the various FF games deal with Arkhamverse Bat-villains? This question was inspired by having played through and re-watching the Solomon Grundy boss fight in Arkham City. Now I'm assuming that most of you aware of not only Batman as a character and a franchise but of the the Batman Arkham game series, A.K.A. the Arkhamverse. From what you know, would any of the heroes, both main characters and party members, of any Final Fantasy game display the same blanket level of unwillingness to kill/resort to lethal force that Gotham's Dark Knight does against the Arkhamverse Rogues Gallery? This is just out of idle curiosity.

10/14/2017	#2
ChipNoir Epic Member Internet Ghost Join Date: Jan 2017 Sex: Male AKA: Mister Spooks.	...The usual FF way: Stab it in the face till it bleeds and dies. This is the game series where even small children can become hardened murderers. Last edited by ChipNoir; 10/14/2017 at 04:10 AM.

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Ghost X Great Old One Donator Join Date: Dec 2009 Sex: Male. Location: Live at the Apollo.	Well, FF characters aren't averse to killing lots of anything. Good for getting EXP . __________________ Winner is me!

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Obsidian Fire Elite Member Ahk Morn! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Fractal Continuum, Azys Lla AKA: The Engineer	Yeah, the FF heroes are way too pragmatic for the Batman family to be okay with, except for maybe Jason. And if this is Arkham universe... either Jason would be pinging all their Sephrioth radars or he, Vincent and Cloud would be having a blast (literally) destroying Arkham. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

10/15/2017	#10
Shademp Great Old One 69 Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 33 Sex: Male Location: Sweden	Remember this? Angeal: I'll set the bomb inside the fortress. You'll charge the front gate, and... Zack: Uh-huh, and? And? And? And? Angeal: Indulge yourself. Zack: You got it! That's what I do best! Reference __________________ My YouTube Channel! FINAL FANTASY VII UNCOVERED Clement Rage wrote: All hail Shademp, God of Dirge.

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Mr. Ite Ascended Member Infradian Canadian Join Date: Apr 2010 AKA: Mr. Ite	If Batman was in an FF game, he would more likely than not get in the heroes' way while the villain opened some doom gate, launching us into Act III of the game and probably getting himself killed in the process. If FF characters were in a Batman game, one of the final missions would be stopping the misguided heroes before they killed a villain, then punching the boastful villain into unconsciousness. If Batman weren't involved, well, I see no problem. Stabby stabby boom slice!

10/15/2017	#9
Agrippa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Age: 33 Sex: Male Location: Moline, IL	Mr. Ite wrote: Aeris would be a "good" villain like Todd, if she didn't straight up go off the deep end like Harley. Or she might decide, "Screw it, is there anyone of the of world's heavy hitting heroes who isn't inflexibly stupid about dealing with irredeemable homicidal maniacs?!" Considering that Metropolis and the other major cities and locales are unseen parts of the Arkhamverse there probably is.

10/16/2017	#11
JechtShotMK9 Epic Member The Sublimely Magnificent One Join Date: Dec 2015 Sex: Male Location: Somewhere inside Sin AKA: Kamiccolo9	I think a more interesting case would be if you stripped the various FF villains of their powers, and threw them in Arkham. How would they interact with the various Bat-Villains?

10/16/2017	#12
Agrippa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Age: 33 Sex: Male Location: Moline, IL	JechtShotMK9 wrote: I think a more interesting case would be if you stripped the various FF villains of their powers, and threw them in Arkham. How would they interact with the various Bat-Villains? "So then," says the Clown Prince of Crime, "who exactly the hell are you? I can tell you're going for the whole demented clown routine, but I thought that was my shtick! Well Harley's too, but since she's my lady friend/punching bag that only makes sense. Frankly you make me look subtle! I may have a penchant purple pin-stripe tuxes, as well as murder and general mayhem, but you dress so flamboyantly even Liberace would be begging you to tone it down!" Hands clasped behind his back, Emperor Gestahl's former attack dog flashes a wicked grin before replying, "Kefka Palazoo, former general and court magician, as in wielder of actual magic, not sleight of hand, in service to Emperor Gestahl. As I always say, 'Nothing beats the sound of a thousand voices screaming in unison!' If you're wondering yes, Gestahl actually let me dress like this as general. Both in the field and in the war room!" Kefka finishes with a shrill laugh. "And to think people call me The Joker!" Joker says with an amused huff. "Well, did you kill the idiot then?" "Oh I tried to," Kefka wistfully replies, "but alas I failed. We were on a floating continent waiting for a pack of rebels called the Returners so we could ambush..." "For the love of drowning puppies, kittens and little children, don't tell me they honestly called themselves the 'Returners'!" Joker says, "That's the stupidest name for a group I've ever heard yet! Believe me pal, I've heard some real dozes! Like the Doom Patrol and that Brotherhood of Dada." Last edited by Agrippa; 10/16/2017 at 08:57 PM.

10/16/2017	#13
Agrippa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Age: 33 Sex: Male Location: Moline, IL	ChipNoir wrote: ...The usual FF way: Stab it in the face till it bleeds and dies. This is the game series where even small children can become hardened murderers. I wouldn't say murderers. Murder is a subset of killing, all murders are killings, but not all killings are murders. I'd argue that Final Fantasy's heroes are capable of is serial justifiable homicide, canicide, felicide, deicide, tyrannicide and ect. Both mentally and physically capable of it.

10/16/2017	#14
Minato Elite Member Donator Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 31 Sex: Yes Location: Close AKA: MarquessLaus, Brandon Stark, Epyon, Mr Foxhound, Doran	Well all premeditated homicide was justified in some way in the killer's head. Cecil's kingly orders, Shadow and Cloud's money, Locke's cider, Celes' Imperial orders, Barret's Planet all might sound like good reason to kill someone not neccesarily even fighting back to them, doesn't mean it's not murder.