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Interslicery · 01/24/2017

Seriously... If you ever thought M.Night was a good director, see Split.

***The Twilight Mexican*** · 01/24/2017

Not sure which way you're going. Elaborate, please?

Interslicery · 01/24/2017

He's coming back to what he started out as. Plus, things.

Mr. Ite · 01/24/2017

I don't know... the movie seems very problematic from its core premise. There was another movie that came out in the early 2000s with a similar kind of idea (and the MPD aspect was kind of a Shamylanian twist in that film) and in both the instance of watching that movie and the trailer for Split I got a feeling of uneasiness, that this very real condition was being used to create a villain, with no regard to how it might villainize people with that (again, real) condition. Other instances that use the DID/MPD to create villains are Me, Myself and Irene, the Lord of the Rings, and that thing we don't talk about. I'm not saying any of these movies are bad or that there's no room in film to explore characters with disorders, but the pattern I see makes a boogeyman out of them, so I thought I'd address it.

For those that have seen the film: is it a Jekyll & Hyde plot device, or does it approach the condition with a degree of sensitivity that reflects our better understanding of said condition?

Interslicery · 01/24/2017

WeHis doctor is very understanding and sympathetic towards his condition, and for the most part, only a handful of his personalities actually have malicious intent. The rest are just regular people, and each personality is treated as it's own, separate person. Also, his doctor is on a crusade to show the medical community that it is a real condition, that should be understood, and its people cared for.
While your concerns about how it's treated are valid, aside from him having DiD, there's nothing indicating that the condition is the issue, only that some of the personalities are harmful.

P.s. I should say that I treat anything like this completely separate from the real world, as in I treat any portrayal of mental issues, or sickness, etc as movie constructs. With some basis in reality, but ultimately purely changed for theatric reasons. I don't know much about DiD in real life, so I have no say about how accurate and sensitive it's actually portrayed in the movie.
Some people do have problems with it, but from what I understand it mainly stems from the fact that the villain has this disorder, and it perpetuates a stigma. I don't see that, but again, I treat the movies as the movies, and real life as real life. Not saying people who would find it offensive are wrong, but I just don't see it in that way.

Also, there's one aspect that I feel diminishes any offense you may have with it, but I can't comment on that.

***The Twilight Mexican*** · 01/24/2017

Hm. Well, I'm interested enough to try it. Just hope it's better than "Identity." 'Cause fuck "Identity," and especially fuck its misleading trailer.

Interslicery · 01/24/2017

Haven't seen identity, so cant confirm.

***X-SOLDIER*** · 01/24/2017

Was waiting on someone I trusted to deliver similar comments, as I've yet to venture out to see this, but am now properly intrigued. Hoping that this will be the second film of his I enjoy. (I liked Unbreakable, but LOATHED the Sixth Sense — granted I figured that the "twist" was commonly assumed knowledge from the start of the film, so it was largely disappointing).

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Interslicery · 01/24/2017

Let me know what you think. I really wanna talk about what this movie does, with someone.

***X-SOLDIER*** · 02/06/2017

Hey Inter, question before seeing this: (SPOILER)

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Interslicery · 02/06/2017

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***X-SOLDIER*** · 02/06/2017

Interslicery wrote: (SPOILER)

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Addy Carver · 02/07/2017

I never considered Jim Carrey's character to be a villain in Me, Myself and Irene, but then I did cheer at some of his antics like curling one on his neighbour's lawn. This discussion probably deserves it's own thread but a bit more multifaceted because I'd like a dialogue about the Chernobyl Diaries - I've not seen it but can't help but think it's phenomenally poor taste.

EDIT: I thought Split looked like total wank when I saw the first trailer, but I'm intrigued enough to want to see it now.

***X-SOLDIER*** · 04/26/2017

Spoilers are full out. It's sequel time: http://io9.gizmodo.com/glass-the-seq...l-b-1794669298

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~~Pixel~~ · 04/27/2017

Shyamalan hasn't evolved as a writer. He's still pumping out crap that you should get out of your system in film school. Half assed dialogue that doesnt make any attempt at hiding that its all exposition. Blatant, beat you over the head symbolism. It's like every line he writes, he thinks would be a cool moment or reveal. Max Landis is the same. I will happily never watch one of his movies again.

01/24/2017	#1
Interslicery Elite Member ..... Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 36 Sex: M Location: Canada	Unbreakable, Split, & Glass Seriously... If you ever thought M.Night was a good director, see Split. __________________

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Interslicery Elite Member ..... Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 36 Sex: M Location: Canada	WeHis doctor is very understanding and sympathetic towards his condition, and for the most part, only a handful of his personalities actually have malicious intent. The rest are just regular people, and each personality is treated as it's own, separate person. Also, his doctor is on a crusade to show the medical community that it is a real condition, that should be understood, and its people cared for. While your concerns about how it's treated are valid, aside from him having DiD, there's nothing indicating that the condition is the issue, only that some of the personalities are harmful. P.s. I should say that I treat anything like this completely separate from the real world, as in I treat any portrayal of mental issues, or sickness, etc as movie constructs. With some basis in reality, but ultimately purely changed for theatric reasons. I don't know much about DiD in real life, so I have no say about how accurate and sensitive it's actually portrayed in the movie. Some people do have problems with it, but from what I understand it mainly stems from the fact that the villain has this disorder, and it perpetuates a stigma. I don't see that, but again, I treat the movies as the movies, and real life as real life. Not saying people who would find it offensive are wrong, but I just don't see it in that way. Also, there's one aspect that I feel diminishes any offense you may have with it, but I can't comment on that. __________________ Last edited by Interslicery; 01/24/2017 at 09:03 AM.

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*The Twilight Mexican* *Administrator* Great Old One Ex-SeeD-ingly good Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 35 Sex: Male Location: North Carolina AKA: TresDias, Hawkeye, El Diablo Gato, Martha Jones, Ariadne, Squall of SeeD, Squall_of_SeeD	Hm. Well, I'm interested enough to try it. Just hope it's better than "Identity." 'Cause fuck "Identity," and especially fuck its misleading trailer. __________________ Quexinos wrote: I wish I had been there when Cloud realized he had geostigma. I bet he cried. hito wrote: man i miss flip phones, they were cool and now everything is a boring slab

01/24/2017	#4
Mr. Ite Ascended Member Infradian Canadian Join Date: Apr 2010 AKA: Mr. Ite	I don't know... the movie seems very problematic from its core premise. There was another movie that came out in the early 2000s with a similar kind of idea (and the MPD aspect was kind of a Shamylanian twist in that film) and in both the instance of watching that movie and the trailer for Split I got a feeling of uneasiness, that this very real condition was being used to create a villain, with no regard to how it might villainize people with that (again, real) condition. Other instances that use the DID/MPD to create villains are Me, Myself and Irene, the Lord of the Rings, and that thing we don't talk about. I'm not saying any of these movies are bad or that there's no room in film to explore characters with disorders, but the pattern I see makes a boogeyman out of them, so I thought I'd address it. For those that have seen the film: is it a Jekyll & Hyde plot device, or does it approach the condition with a degree of sensitivity that reflects our better understanding of said condition?

01/24/2017	#7
Interslicery Elite Member ..... Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 36 Sex: M Location: Canada	Haven't seen identity, so cant confirm. __________________

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*X-SOLDIER* *Administrator* Great Old One Harbinger O Great Justice Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 36 Location: SLC, UT - USA	Was waiting on someone I trusted to deliver similar comments, as I've yet to venture out to see this, but am now properly intrigued. Hoping that this will be the second film of his I enjoy. (I liked Unbreakable, but LOATHED the Sixth Sense — granted I figured that the "twist" was commonly assumed knowledge from the start of the film, so it was largely disappointing). X __________________ Cyclops. Is. Right. …Xenomorphaux Pas… Shademp – on the subject of my seemingly boundless optimism wrote: After Ungoliant had sucked the light from the trees Telperion and Laurelin, she found that there was a third tree but whose light was too potent and immortal for her to absorb. Thusly, Ungoliant left Valinor in tears for she could not absorb the light of the tree named X-SOLDIER. #TotzCanon ~ \| G+ \| Facebook \| Tumblr \| Twitter \| DA \| TLS \| FFOF \| FF \| SCL \| KC \| CC \| ~

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*X-SOLDIER* *Administrator* Great Old One Harbinger O Great Justice Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 36 Location: SLC, UT - USA	Hey Inter, question before seeing this: (SPOILER) X __________________ Cyclops. Is. Right. …Xenomorphaux Pas… Shademp – on the subject of my seemingly boundless optimism wrote: After Ungoliant had sucked the light from the trees Telperion and Laurelin, she found that there was a third tree but whose light was too potent and immortal for her to absorb. Thusly, Ungoliant left Valinor in tears for she could not absorb the light of the tree named X-SOLDIER. #TotzCanon ~ \| G+ \| Facebook \| Tumblr \| Twitter \| DA \| TLS \| FFOF \| FF \| SCL \| KC \| CC \| ~

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Interslicery Elite Member ..... Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 36 Sex: M Location: Canada	(SPOILER) __________________

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*X-SOLDIER* *Administrator* Great Old One Harbinger O Great Justice Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 36 Location: SLC, UT - USA	Interslicery wrote: (SPOILER) (SPOILER) X __________________ Cyclops. Is. Right. …Xenomorphaux Pas… Shademp – on the subject of my seemingly boundless optimism wrote: After Ungoliant had sucked the light from the trees Telperion and Laurelin, she found that there was a third tree but whose light was too potent and immortal for her to absorb. Thusly, Ungoliant left Valinor in tears for she could not absorb the light of the tree named X-SOLDIER. #TotzCanon ~ \| G+ \| Facebook \| Tumblr \| Twitter \| DA \| TLS \| FFOF \| FF \| SCL \| KC \| CC \| ~

02/07/2017	#13
Addy Carver Great Old One Z whacking Join Date: May 2009 Age: 39 Sex: Not very often AKA: Mage, Midna, Ryoko, Granny Weatherwax, Shub Niggurath	I never considered Jim Carrey's character to be a villain in Me, Myself and Irene, but then I did cheer at some of his antics like curling one on his neighbour's lawn. This discussion probably deserves it's own thread but a bit more multifaceted because I'd like a dialogue about the Chernobyl Diaries - I've not seen it but can't help but think it's phenomenally poor taste. EDIT: I thought Split looked like total wank when I saw the first trailer, but I'm intrigued enough to want to see it now. __________________ 2017 Trophy Cabinet

04/26/2017	#14
*X-SOLDIER* *Administrator* Great Old One Harbinger O Great Justice Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 36 Location: SLC, UT - USA	Spoilers are full out. It's sequel time: http://io9.gizmodo.com/glass-the-seq...l-b-1794669298 X __________________ Cyclops. Is. Right. …Xenomorphaux Pas… Shademp – on the subject of my seemingly boundless optimism wrote: After Ungoliant had sucked the light from the trees Telperion and Laurelin, she found that there was a third tree but whose light was too potent and immortal for her to absorb. Thusly, Ungoliant left Valinor in tears for she could not absorb the light of the tree named X-SOLDIER. #TotzCanon ~ \| G+ \| Facebook \| Tumblr \| Twitter \| DA \| TLS \| FFOF \| FF \| SCL \| KC \| CC \| ~

04/27/2017	#15
~~Pixel~~ Elite Member The Pixie King Join Date: Nov 2008 Sex: Nevernude Location: Belfast Northern Ireland	Shyamalan hasn't evolved as a writer. He's still pumping out crap that you should get out of your system in film school. Half assed dialogue that doesnt make any attempt at hiding that its all exposition. Blatant, beat you over the head symbolism. It's like every line he writes, he thinks would be a cool moment or reveal. Max Landis is the same. I will happily never watch one of his movies again.