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Claymore · 12/19/2017

Lex wrote:
Claymore wrote:
ChipNoir wrote:
Joss's star has wained a little in light of allegations, so I'm not sure Disney would be prepared to bring him back to continue that franchise.
Ah shit, I can't believe I only just heard about this. There are already essays popping up casting new lights on all his projects ... I just can't ...
As much as I respect Joss Whedon's work in general, the news wasn't super surprising (though no less disappointing) to me because I've been unable to reconcile what happened to Cordelia's character on Angel with Joss The Super Feminist since I first watched Angel. And that was before even finding out about the bullshit treatment of Charisma Carpenter behind the scenes.

forever bitter

Yeah, that was without a doubt such a horrible thing to do to the character, and it made it even worse when I begun to hear rumblings about what happened to Charisma.

I usually tend to not read and avoid any behind-the-scenes details, for the very fear of tarnishing what I love. His catalogue of shows have meant a lot to me, and like it or not, this is going to have an impact on subsequent rewatches.

Agrippa · 12/19/2017

ChipNoir wrote:
Charles Xavier wrote: So Anastasia is technically now a Disney Princess?
I think it's like an Amity Islander thing. If you're not born there, you ain't an islander.

I tend to go by that standard too. Female Disney protagonists qualify as Disney princesses in my book, so long as their film debut was released by Disney proper or a subsidiary of Disney at the time. By that standard Shelly Webster of The Crow, Kate Fuller of From Dusk Till Dawn, Vivian Ward of Pretty Woman, the 2002 film versions of Velma Kelly and Roxie Heart of Chicago, Sidney Prescott of the Scream franchise, Beatrix Kiddo of Kill Bill and finally, for now at least, Mia Wallace and Fabienne of Pulp Fiction are more fitting of the title of Disney princess than 20th Century Fox's Anastasia.

Shademp · 12/19/2017

*feels like he dodged a bullet by never being particularly invested in Joss Whedon stuff*

Claymore · 12/20/2017

Shademp wrote: *feels like he dodged a bullet by never being particularly invested in Joss Whedon stuff*

Now that's just weird!

***Lex*** · 12/20/2017

Shademp wrote: *feels like he dodged a bullet by never being particularly invested in Joss Whedon stuff*

Normally I'd be inclined to VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE because I still rewatch Buffy, Angel and Firefly to this very day and would recommend that most people do so, but yeah I can kind of see that line of thinking these days. It's a shame. The Buffyverse as a contributor to the landscape of serialised television is second to none but it definitely had some glaring cracks in the veneer and now those cracks are slowly being filled with poison. The poison being both the stuff about Whedon and a modern perspective.

(might be better to move this discussion to the buffyverse thread if anyone wants to continue it)

But yeah to continue this derail for a hot minute, it's really hard to go back and watch some of the classic shows without grimacing at how out of touch they are with current social issues. The Buffyverse shows aren't anywhere near as bad as say, "Friends", but they still have some moments that are a hallmark of their time, even though Buffy was a show that broke ground for being progressive.

***Cthulhu*** · 12/21/2017

I'd argue Buffy and co were right at the tail end of campy 24 episode TV series, so some transition stuff is to be expected.

It's not as bad as Xena anyway

*runs*

Claymore · 12/21/2017

*grabs popcorn*

Channy · 12/21/2017

***The Twilight Mexican*** · 12/25/2017

Wait, what allegations about Joss Whedon did I miss? Google isn't giving me anything.

***Lex*** · 12/26/2017

Cthulhu wrote: I'd argue Buffy and co were right at the tail end of campy 24 episode TV series, so some transition stuff is to be expected.

It's not as bad as Xena anyway

*runs*

Campy 24 episode TV shows continue to this day so idk what you're on about *shrug*. Supernatural is in its 13th season with no signs of stopping soon.

The Twilight Mexican wrote: Wait, what allegations about Joss Whedon did I miss? Google isn't giving me anything.

I think people are referring to the statement from his wife, which certainly paints an ugly picture. It's not Harvey Weinstein material, but it's also not as simple as "ex is angry", and I have seen people trying to rationalise it as such.

To be honest I've been rewatching Buffy and there's a lot in it that's surprisingly misogynistic considering what the show is supposed to represent. Mainly Xander. The character is of course intentionally written that way but when you consider that Joss is on record multiple times basically saying that Xander is Joss it starts to become slightly disturbing - it feels more than just "Xander is an immature dick". Joss is clearly a guy who at that time really did his best to challenge some stereotypes but also grapples with... well, being a closet misogynist. And it's one of these things that's hard to talk about because once upon a time I was that fan that idolised him - I still think he's a phenomenal TV writer - but laid bare, it's very interesting.

***The Twilight Mexican*** · 12/26/2017

Oh. Those.

***X-SOLDIER*** · 06/27/2018

We're now one step closer to X-Men being in the MCU: https://uproxx.com/movies/disney-fox...ce-department/

X

Ghost X · 06/28/2018

The condition being Disney doing something so as to not be a monopoly? *looks at Disney* Hohohohohoho ad infinitum.

Interslicery · 07/27/2018

https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/21...te-1202888023/

Its a go.

Claymore · 07/27/2018

Finally! X-Men welcome back!

12/19/2017	#46
Claymore Epic Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Age: 39 Sex: Male Location: London	Lex wrote: Claymore wrote: ChipNoir wrote: Joss's star has wained a little in light of allegations, so I'm not sure Disney would be prepared to bring him back to continue that franchise. Ah shit, I can't believe I only just heard about this. There are already essays popping up casting new lights on all his projects ... I just can't ... As much as I respect Joss Whedon's work in general, the news wasn't super surprising (though no less disappointing) to me because I've been unable to reconcile what happened to Cordelia's character on Angel with Joss The Super Feminist since I first watched Angel. And that was before even finding out about the bullshit treatment of Charisma Carpenter behind the scenes. forever bitter Yeah, that was without a doubt such a horrible thing to do to the character, and it made it even worse when I begun to hear rumblings about what happened to Charisma. I usually tend to not read and avoid any behind-the-scenes details, for the very fear of tarnishing what I love. His catalogue of shows have meant a lot to me, and like it or not, this is going to have an impact on subsequent rewatches.

12/19/2017	#47
Agrippa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Age: 33 Sex: Male Location: Moline, IL	ChipNoir wrote: Charles Xavier wrote: So Anastasia is technically now a Disney Princess? I think it's like an Amity Islander thing. If you're not born there, you ain't an islander. I tend to go by that standard too. Female Disney protagonists qualify as Disney princesses in my book, so long as their film debut was released by Disney proper or a subsidiary of Disney at the time. By that standard Shelly Webster of The Crow, Kate Fuller of From Dusk Till Dawn, Vivian Ward of Pretty Woman, the 2002 film versions of Velma Kelly and Roxie Heart of Chicago, Sidney Prescott of the Scream franchise, Beatrix Kiddo of Kill Bill and finally, for now at least, Mia Wallace and Fabienne of Pulp Fiction are more fitting of the title of Disney princess than 20th Century Fox's Anastasia.

12/19/2017	#48
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12/20/2017	#50
*Lex* *Administrator* Great Old One Reunion Join Date: Jun 2009 Sex: Male Location: Scotland AKA: PSN: Prince-Lex	Shademp wrote: feels like he dodged a bullet by never being particularly invested in Joss Whedon stuff Normally I'd be inclined to VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE because I still rewatch Buffy, Angel and Firefly to this very day and would recommend that most people do so, but yeah I can kind of see that line of thinking these days. It's a shame. The Buffyverse as a contributor to the landscape of serialised television is second to none but it definitely had some glaring cracks in the veneer and now those cracks are slowly being filled with poison. The poison being both the stuff about Whedon and a modern perspective. (might be better to move this discussion to the buffyverse thread if anyone wants to continue it) But yeah to continue this derail for a hot minute, it's really hard to go back and watch some of the classic shows without grimacing at how out of touch they are with current social issues. The Buffyverse shows aren't anywhere near as bad as say, "Friends", but they still have some moments that are a hallmark of their time, even though Buffy was a show that broke ground for being progressive. __________________ Especially for me, by the awesome GLD! Signature by Gabriel <3 mShenko <3

12/21/2017	#53
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12/21/2017	#51
*Cthulhu* *Administrator* Great Old One Join Date: Nov 2008	I'd argue Buffy and co were right at the tail end of campy 24 episode TV series, so some transition stuff is to be expected. It's not as bad as Xena anyway runs

12/25/2017	#54
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12/26/2017	#55
*Lex* *Administrator* Great Old One Reunion Join Date: Jun 2009 Sex: Male Location: Scotland AKA: PSN: Prince-Lex	Cthulhu wrote: I'd argue Buffy and co were right at the tail end of campy 24 episode TV series, so some transition stuff is to be expected. It's not as bad as Xena anyway runs Campy 24 episode TV shows continue to this day so idk what you're on about shrug. Supernatural is in its 13th season with no signs of stopping soon. The Twilight Mexican wrote: Wait, what allegations about Joss Whedon did I miss? Google isn't giving me anything. I think people are referring to the statement from his wife, which certainly paints an ugly picture. It's not Harvey Weinstein material, but it's also not as simple as "ex is angry", and I have seen people trying to rationalise it as such. To be honest I've been rewatching Buffy and there's a lot in it that's surprisingly misogynistic considering what the show is supposed to represent. Mainly Xander. The character is of course intentionally written that way but when you consider that Joss is on record multiple times basically saying that Xander is Joss it starts to become slightly disturbing - it feels more than just "Xander is an immature dick". Joss is clearly a guy who at that time really did his best to challenge some stereotypes but also grapples with... well, being a closet misogynist. And it's one of these things that's hard to talk about because once upon a time I was that fan that idolised him - I still think he's a phenomenal TV writer - but laid bare, it's very interesting. __________________ Especially for me, by the awesome GLD! Signature by Gabriel <3 mShenko <3 Last edited by Lex; 12/26/2017 at 12:29 AM.

12/26/2017	#56
*The Twilight Mexican* *Administrator* Great Old One Ex-SeeD-ingly good Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 35 Sex: Male Location: North Carolina AKA: TresDias, Hawkeye, El Diablo Gato, Martha Jones, Ariadne, Squall of SeeD, Squall_of_SeeD	Oh. Those. __________________ Quexinos wrote: I wish I had been there when Cloud realized he had geostigma. I bet he cried. hito wrote: man i miss flip phones, they were cool and now everything is a boring slab

06/27/2018	#57
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06/28/2018	#58
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07/27/2018	#59
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