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Alessa Gillespie · 08/29/2010

Okay, in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, you play as some kid named Marche in a crazy world of new creatures trying to get back home. Pretty typical fantasy stuff: as you're in the game, you meet up with your other friends who seem to be integrating into the fantasy world quite well: your little brother, who is confined to a wheelchair, is finally able to walk around on his own, your friend Ritz, who has pink hair, finds friends who like its true white color and think that she's a great person, and finally Mewt, who no one really liked in the real world and had an alcoholic dad and his mom is dead, gets to be a prince in this one and his father is one of the almighty judges. Everyone besides yourself seems to really like this new world and all of the friends they're making.

The only whiny one here who is determined to go home is you. All of your friends are enjoying themselves, and heck, several of them try to stop you from taking all of them back. Let's be honest: you're just being a whiny little dick who can't handle bunny girls by trying to get everyone to go home. So you kill the queen and send everyone rushing back home from Ivalice because Ritz accepted her white hair, Mewt gets to say he loves his mommy and uh your brother just realizes he's gonna be confined to a wheelchair for his whole life and there's nothing he can do about it.

So let's be honest. Marche is a huge dick who didn't want his brother to walk around and be better than him, and this is why he brought all of them back from Ivalice.

Omega · 08/29/2010

GOD I hated FFTA.

Trainer Red · 08/29/2010

Phoenix Wright wrote: The only whiny one here who is determined to go home is you. All of your friends are enjoying themselves, and heck, several of them try to stop you from taking all of them back. Let's be honest: you're just being a whiny little dick who can't handle bunny girls by trying to get everyone to go home.

....Marche, whiny?

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.

On a more serious note, I think that Marche was the opposite of being a whiny little asshole. Living in an imaginary world does not make that world reality or make your problems disappear and Marche was smart enough to know that. He was doing the right thing in trying to make everyone buck up and face reality.

Also, Marche is the best villain in FF ever.

The Mad King · 08/29/2010

Marche is one of the very few FF characters who is not only the main character, but also the main villian. Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like so he could go back to school and be bullied. I suppose that also makes him one of the studpidest FF characters as well.

Omega · 08/29/2010

Lord Noctis wrote: Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like

Sephiroth has some catching up to do.

Makoeyes987 · 08/29/2010

Lord Noctis wrote: Marche is one of the very few FF characters who is not only the main character, but also the main villian. Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like so he could go back to school and be bullied. I suppose that also makes him one of the studpidest FF characters as well.

He didn't wipe it out. The world of FFT:A still exists and in the end they can visit it once again. All he did was keep the real world from being erased by the fantasy of poor lil' Mewt.

See the perfect ending and Grimoire of the Rift.

looneymoon · 08/29/2010

I haven't played *FFT... but yeah, what a douche. But does this mean Ivalice isn't real? D:

edit: FFTA

Makoeyes987 · 08/29/2010

No, Marche is not a douche. Him bringing back reality so that it's no longer erased/overlapped by the fantasy world Ivalice is not dickish. It's him keeping people and their families together and not having them erased by the twisted imaginings of a pre-pubescent teenager.

FFS, the fantasy world Ivalice ends up existing anyways, and the Grimoire still stays in Mewt's possession.

Marche didn't destroy shit. People are missing the point.

Trainer Red · 08/29/2010

Noob Saibot wrote: He didn't wipe it out. The world of FFT:A still exists and in the end they can visit it once again. All he did was keep the real world from being erased by the fantasy of poor lil' Mewt.

See the perfect ending and Grimoire of the Rift.

Now that, I didn't know. I never saw the perfect ending or played GotR yet and I always figured that the dream world of Ivalice lived on in everybody's hearts and all that.

Lord Noctis wrote: Marche is one of the very few FF characters who is not only the main character, but also the main villian. Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like so he could go back to school and be bullied. I suppose that also makes him one of the studpidest FF characters as well.

Except at the ending, Marche and Mewt stand up for themselves, so...

Omega · 08/29/2010

Mako.

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LET ME HATE HIM, ALL RIGHT?!

Makoeyes987 · 08/29/2010

Trainer Red wrote: Now that, I didn't know. I never saw the perfect ending or played GotR yet and I always figured that the dream world of Ivalice lived on in everybody's hearts and all that.

No, the Grimoire exists, and he ends up passing it to Luso. So yeah. It's pretty far from being erased or destroyed.

That fact alone pretty much kills that argument.

@Diego Armando

No.

Alessa Gillespie · 08/29/2010

so mako what was the point of bringing his brother back, other than to have some crippled little brother realize he will never, ever get better and his life basically sucks?

looneymoon · 08/29/2010

if I got to go to Narnia Ivalice I would damn well like to stay there damnit! I don't care what that slut Susan Marche has to say about it!

**Ryushikaze** · 08/29/2010

The entire story of FFT was that you cannot escape your troubles, and escapist fantasy is no solution.Facing them, confronting and dealing with them is the solution. So yes, Marche is an Asshole, BUT HE'S RIGHT. He's not crippling his brother for the Lulz, but because his brother needed to come to terms with being wheelchair bound so he wouldn't think he was useless. Plus, there's the whole fact of them IMPOSING THEIR REALITY ON SOMEONE ELSE'S WORLD.

The world of Ivalice DOES EXIST. And Marche et. all are, by the power of the grimoire, enforcing their fantasies on Ivalice.
When you break the chains, the REAL Ivalice is allowed to exist again- free of the fantasy, but still remembering the events of FFT. See also: FFT:A.
Multiverse theory is canon for ALL FFs to date, remember.

To sum Up-
Marche: Asshole- but for the right reasons. Not a villain.
And Marche and Mewt standing up for themselves is them learning the lesson- stand up, face your issues, and don't run away physically or emotionally.

Makoeyes987 · 08/30/2010

Phoenix Wright wrote: so mako what was the point of bringing his brother back, other than to have some crippled little brother realize he will never, ever get better and his life basically sucks?

He needs to deal with who he is, and not try to live in a fantasy world where he's somebody he isn't. Reality isn't something that can just be erased and substituted with a Final Fantasy game.

That and I'm sure the world wouldn't appreciate being literally moved over to make way for a fantasy world.

08/29/2010	#1
Alessa Gillespie Great Old One a letter to my future self Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 32 Sex: f/f/f Location: Silent Hill, MA AKA: Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum	Is Marche a huge dick? Okay, in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, you play as some kid named Marche in a crazy world of new creatures trying to get back home. Pretty typical fantasy stuff: as you're in the game, you meet up with your other friends who seem to be integrating into the fantasy world quite well: your little brother, who is confined to a wheelchair, is finally able to walk around on his own, your friend Ritz, who has pink hair, finds friends who like its true white color and think that she's a great person, and finally Mewt, who no one really liked in the real world and had an alcoholic dad and his mom is dead, gets to be a prince in this one and his father is one of the almighty judges. Everyone besides yourself seems to really like this new world and all of the friends they're making. The only whiny one here who is determined to go home is you. All of your friends are enjoying themselves, and heck, several of them try to stop you from taking all of them back. Let's be honest: you're just being a whiny little dick who can't handle bunny girls by trying to get everyone to go home. So you kill the queen and send everyone rushing back home from Ivalice because Ritz accepted her white hair, Mewt gets to say he loves his mommy and uh your brother just realizes he's gonna be confined to a wheelchair for his whole life and there's nothing he can do about it. So let's be honest. Marche is a huge dick who didn't want his brother to walk around and be better than him, and this is why he brought all of them back from Ivalice. __________________ is daddy still a good man? i was a TEENAGE CLAIRVOYANT Last edited by Alessa Gillespie; 08/29/2010 at 02:47 PM.

08/29/2010	#2
Omega Great Old One We have come to terms Join Date: Mar 2009 Age: 37 AKA: Godot, Gabriel, Joker, Testament, Frog, The Kimble, The Notorious Arishok, Doom, Beowulf Cadmus, Nil	GOD I hated FFTA. __________________

08/29/2010	#3
Trainer Red Epic Member ... ... ...▼ Join Date: May 2009 Sex: Hey baby, wanna see my phalanges? Location: Waiting on top of Mt. Silver... AKA: Climhazzard	Phoenix Wright wrote: The only whiny one here who is determined to go home is you. All of your friends are enjoying themselves, and heck, several of them try to stop you from taking all of them back. Let's be honest: you're just being a whiny little dick who can't handle bunny girls by trying to get everyone to go home. ....Marche, whiny? AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. On a more serious note, I think that Marche was the opposite of being a whiny little asshole. Living in an imaginary world does not make that world reality or make your problems disappear and Marche was smart enough to know that. He was doing the right thing in trying to make everyone buck up and face reality. Also, Marche is the best villain in FF ever. __________________ photobucket destroyed my sig image. >: Scared of Life wrote: I THINK The Wii can play Blue Ray because it has Bluetooth and aren't they the same thing? I'm just a girl who bought the Wii because of the Wii Mote. It's so nice and it vibrates. Last edited by Trainer Red; 08/29/2010 at 05:53 PM.

08/29/2010	#4
The Mad King Ascended Member Harbinger of Darkness Join Date: Apr 2009 Sex: Male Location: Pocket-Dimension 13 AKA: Lord Noctis, Caius Ballad, Midnight Rider of War, Quilge Opie	Marche is one of the very few FF characters who is not only the main character, but also the main villian. Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like so he could go back to school and be bullied. I suppose that also makes him one of the studpidest FF characters as well. __________________ "I'm going to tear off your arms and use them to applaud your demise!" -Mad King Ryan

08/29/2010	#5
Omega Great Old One We have come to terms Join Date: Mar 2009 Age: 37 AKA: Godot, Gabriel, Joker, Testament, Frog, The Kimble, The Notorious Arishok, Doom, Beowulf Cadmus, Nil	Lord Noctis wrote: Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like Sephiroth has some catching up to do. __________________

08/29/2010	#6
Makoeyes987 Staff Emeritus Great Old One *Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.* Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 36 AKA: Makoeyes987, the notorious liar Marquis Halim Ondore IV, Cupcake, Smooth Criminal, Xelloss, Christian Bale, Ma'at	Lord Noctis wrote: Marche is one of the very few FF characters who is not only the main character, but also the main villian. Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like so he could go back to school and be bullied. I suppose that also makes him one of the studpidest FF characters as well. He didn't wipe it out. The world of FFT:A still exists and in the end they can visit it once again. All he did was keep the real world from being erased by the fantasy of poor lil' Mewt. See the perfect ending and Grimoire of the Rift.

08/29/2010	#7
looneymoon Legendary Member hedgehog pandacat Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 32 Sex: female Location: white whale holy grail AKA: looneymoon, Liz Lemon, Marceline, Kanaya, Geromy, Daenerys Targaryen	I haven't played FFT... but yeah, what a douche. But does this mean Ivalice isn't real? D: edit: FFTA __________________ ♦♦♦♦♦♦ Last edited by looneymoon; 08/29/2010 at 07:44 PM.*

08/29/2010	#9
Trainer Red Epic Member ... ... ...▼ Join Date: May 2009 Sex: Hey baby, wanna see my phalanges? Location: Waiting on top of Mt. Silver... AKA: Climhazzard	Noob Saibot wrote: He didn't wipe it out. The world of FFT:A still exists and in the end they can visit it once again. All he did was keep the real world from being erased by the fantasy of poor lil' Mewt. See the perfect ending and Grimoire of the Rift. Now that, I didn't know. I never saw the perfect ending or played GotR yet and I always figured that the dream world of Ivalice lived on in everybody's hearts and all that. Lord Noctis wrote: Marche is one of the very few FF characters who is not only the main character, but also the main villian. Think about it, he basicly wiped out an entire world filled with wonderful magical creatures and the like so he could go back to school and be bullied. I suppose that also makes him one of the studpidest FF characters as well. Except at the ending, Marche and Mewt stand up for themselves, so... __________________ photobucket destroyed my sig image. >: Scared of Life wrote: I THINK The Wii can play Blue Ray because it has Bluetooth and aren't they the same thing? I'm just a girl who bought the Wii because of the Wii Mote. It's so nice and it vibrates. Last edited by Trainer Red; 08/29/2010 at 08:00 PM.

08/29/2010	#11
Makoeyes987 Staff Emeritus Great Old One *Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.* Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 36 AKA: Makoeyes987, the notorious liar Marquis Halim Ondore IV, Cupcake, Smooth Criminal, Xelloss, Christian Bale, Ma'at	Trainer Red wrote: Now that, I didn't know. I never saw the perfect ending or played GotR yet and I always figured that the dream world of Ivalice lived on in everybody's hearts and all that. No, the Grimoire exists, and he ends up passing it to Luso. So yeah. It's pretty far from being erased or destroyed. That fact alone pretty much kills that argument. @Diego Armando No.

08/29/2010	#14
Ryushikaze Super Moderator Great Old One Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 38 Sex: Depends on the incarnation Location: Chapel Hill AKA: Tim, Ryu	The entire story of FFT was that you cannot escape your troubles, and escapist fantasy is no solution.Facing them, confronting and dealing with them is the solution. So yes, Marche is an Asshole, BUT HE'S RIGHT. He's not crippling his brother for the Lulz, but because his brother needed to come to terms with being wheelchair bound so he wouldn't think he was useless. Plus, there's the whole fact of them IMPOSING THEIR REALITY ON SOMEONE ELSE'S WORLD. The world of Ivalice DOES EXIST. And Marche et. all are, by the power of the grimoire, enforcing their fantasies on Ivalice. When you break the chains, the REAL Ivalice is allowed to exist again- free of the fantasy, but still remembering the events of FFT. See also: FFT:A. Multiverse theory is canon for ALL FFs to date, remember. To sum Up- Marche: Asshole- but for the right reasons. Not a villain. And Marche and Mewt standing up for themselves is them learning the lesson- stand up, face your issues, and don't run away physically or emotionally. __________________ Advent Fanboys: Fear the fanboys. Then laugh at them. - A Naked Tifa Production Now this is a compilation entry I want to see. Last edited by Ryushikaze; 08/29/2010 at 11:28 PM.

08/30/2010	#15
Makoeyes987 Staff Emeritus Great Old One *Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.* Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 36 AKA: Makoeyes987, the notorious liar Marquis Halim Ondore IV, Cupcake, Smooth Criminal, Xelloss, Christian Bale, Ma'at	Phoenix Wright wrote: so mako what was the point of bringing his brother back, other than to have some crippled little brother realize he will never, ever get better and his life basically sucks? He needs to deal with who he is, and not try to live in a fantasy world where he's somebody he isn't. Reality isn't something that can just be erased and substituted with a Final Fantasy game. That and I'm sure the world wouldn't appreciate being literally moved over to make way for a fantasy world.