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Old 02/08/2016   #31
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^Yeah, when you control Irvine when he's picking instruments for everyone to play you can actually take him all over FH. That and the fact that the mayor's wife has his Triple Triad card makes me think he had something to do with the place earlier in life and then left for reasons.

It's also interesting that Irvine and Rinoa are the only non-SEED members of the party, which makes me wonder what he was doing at Galbadia Garden in the first place...
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Old 02/25/2016   #32
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Super delayed response (Hadn't been back on the board), but really interesting suggestion about Irvine and FH...and yeah, I mean, especially if he's the top sharpshooter, shouldn't he be a shoe-in for a SEED? Otherwise, wouldn't they pick THAT sharpshooter for the most important assassination-attempt in the world?

In general, I've always found him a bit of a mysterious character. I know a lot of players are simply put-off by the bravado he puts up as a front (I was when I first played back in the day), but especially considering he reveals later that he NEVER forgot their past--unless I'm misunderstanding what's said--that's a REALLY interesting angle to his character. I mean thinking about Irvine being aware of their shared history from the moment he strolls up after air-shooting that butterfly off his finger, really puts a different spin on things...
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Old 02/25/2016   #33
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I really rate Irvine as a character.
Only through Balamb Garden does one become a SeeD. There is an option to transfer to take the exam and become SeeD - it's like in Trabia Garden they are trained to become a SeeD but the exams take place only in Balamb, hence why Selphie transfers to Balamb. So, he could've been training in other fields, such as sharpshooting, or just wasn't interested in becoming a SeeD.

And you're right in that he didn't forget his past. All Irvine says when he is asked why he didn't say anything is that it sucked that the others seemed to have forgotten, since they didn't recognise him upon their first meeting (as he recognised them). A question that I see floating about is whether at the time of the assassination Irvine recognised Edea for who she was. I've seen sources claim the Ultimanias back this up, yet without sourcing to the Ultimanias themselves (and I can't find the related sections on this site either). However, during his talk about their past, he says "Look alike? Nah, that's not it. Matron's name is Edea Kramer. Matron IS Sorceress Edea." And it's not like his memory was jogged when Quistis first asks "Remember matron?" - at least, he doesn't react. It suggests that he knew who she was already - it does not necessitate that this was the reason he choked during the assassination attempt, but it's a likelihood - after all, if he is aware that the rest seemed to have forgotten their past, him saying "it's matron, I can't do it" isn't going to mean anything to Squall, unless he dedicated the time there to explain everything.

Sure, in the end, GF are to blame for all this memory madness. (And Irvine never used GF, whereas everyone else did, even Selphie when she found one inside a monster at 12-years-old)

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Old 02/25/2016   #34
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So that's a really weird, as you guys are talking about FH and the whole concert part, I just got done it.

I have the mobile base now, and tried to go to the Hell Island to get some good magic, but of course you need the Ragnarok which idk when I'll be getting it. VIII has been pretty good so far, things took a twist with Master Norg being some time of creature. Looking forward to the rest of the game, but I can't say I enjoy the whole junction system.
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Old 02/25/2016   #35
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@RedFFWolf: See for me, the whole "GFs cause memory loss" angle was a cop-out. Nobody actually forgot anything, they just didn't have reason to think of their past for a long time. I've seen similar conversations happen between my parents and their siblings about events they all remember. Usually, it takes one person to get the memory going and then everyone starts remembering details they didn't remember before.

For the "GFs cause memory loss" aspect to have worked for me, it would have needed for everyone to have not known what Irvine was talking about and just have no memory of their childhood at all.
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Old 02/26/2016   #36
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So I just finished FF8 last night, with a total of like 25 hours of time put into it.

I usually don't say much, and even less that is negative. Also SPOILERS for all of those who care, which shouldn't be many.

So the story was pretty enjoyable for the most part, I really didn't mind when it turned into a love story between Rinoa and Squall, and in some aspects it made sense. However some of the story elements came out of nowhere with very little explanation. Like Ultimecia on one hands comes out of nowhere and you only see her character less than a handful of times before you face her in the Final battle.

On top of this, the whole thing with Edea being Matron and being the one who happened to take care of everyone when they where all living together in an Orphanage. Which they had forgotten do to the passing mention of Guardian Forces causing memory loss.
I had honestly thought I missed some key thing that mentioned Edea as being Matron before hand, but I don't think I did. Also the whole thing with Ellone, and how she was the Big Sister everyone had. Not so much as not explained, but it takes a while to realize how her story connects with Laguna, and also that the Laguna flashbacks take place a good 10-20 years before the start of the game.

Also what was with the whole moon subplot going on and the Sea of Monsters that traveled to the earth at the location of the Lunic Pandora? Cause aside from a SeeD saying it caused some damage it's never mentioned again.

The game suffers from some not so well explained plot points that are quickly glossed over. Or some that just come out of nowhere.

Aside from all of this, I really did enjoy this game... It was a different way different from VII in a lot of ways. Also the Ragnarok is the coolest looking airship as I've seen so far. It's also really nice how the story ends, with everyone being happy and one ship being confirmed as canon(I guess).

I'll likely play through it again over the summer. Now I've got IX, X/X-2 and VI I have wanted to experience for a while now.
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Old 03/01/2016   #37
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To be honest as far as the plot goes, the game was limited in how it could express itself.

1. The graphics weren't as good to express facial expressions unless it was a cutscene, other than that, you had to rely on body language for the most part.
2. The game relies heavily on text for dialogue and exposition... making it effectively a "silent film" of sorts.

If you take those 2 things in to consideration, plot point explanation could only do so much with what they had to work with, and writers can only do so much with the story without having to cut certain things out.

In fact, that's something many FF writers have never talked about, the stuff that WAS cut.

If FFVIII ever got a "Director's Cut", I'm sure there's plenty of stuff that might have been explained in more detail. That goes for many FFs I think.
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Old 03/01/2016   #38
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^I don't really buy either of those points because FF's I - IX had the exact same limitations and most didn't suffer from the same plot/ exposition issues that VIII has. Yes, there are worse problems in some of those and different problems in the rest, but the point stands.
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Old 03/01/2016   #39
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The Engineer wrote: @RedFFWolf: See for me, the whole "GFs cause memory loss" angle was a cop-out. Nobody actually forgot anything, they just didn't have reason to think of their past for a long time. I've seen similar conversations happen between my parents and their siblings about events they all remember. Usually, it takes one person to get the memory going and then everyone starts remembering details they didn't remember before.

For the "GFs cause memory loss" aspect to have worked for me, it would have needed for everyone to have not known what Irvine was talking about and just have no memory of their childhood at all.
Details and events, yes. Years and major events of their lives, no. But they're more 'blocked' than 'lost', true.
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Old 03/01/2016   #40
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Sicarius VI wrote: So I just finished FF8 last night, with a total of like 25 hours of time put into it.
Was it your first completion? If so, that's a really good time! You must have skipped most of the optional content though; I took over 99:59:59 on my first playthrough. Then again, I was just a kid.
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Old 03/02/2016   #41
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Yea, I skipped a lot of the option stuff. I had no want to play-though everything in the game, I just didn't like the combat all that much.

To be fair, on the steam release there is the HiSpeed option, this was used by me almost 90% of the time the game was on, so if you where to take that off, say I put like an extra 5 or 10 hours on.
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Old 03/02/2016   #42
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Flintlock wrote:
Sicarius VI wrote: So I just finished FF8 last night, with a total of like 25 hours of time put into it.
Was it your first completion? If so, that's a really good time! You must have skipped most of the optional content though; I took over 99:59:59 on my first playthrough. Then again, I was just a kid.
This is my original save file from like 2000

Pause at 47 sec for my time.

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Old 03/02/2016   #43
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Why have you disabled embed playing?
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Old 03/03/2016   #44
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Kuja9001 wrote:
Flintlock wrote:
Sicarius VI wrote: So I just finished FF8 last night, with a total of like 25 hours of time put into it.
Was it your first completion? If so, that's a really good time! You must have skipped most of the optional content though; I took over 99:59:59 on my first playthrough. Then again, I was just a kid.
This is my original save file from like 2000

Pause at 47 sec for my time.

YouTube Video
I personally haven't had too much efficiency when it comes to RPGs, but um teach me?

Like what do you do to max and crap within 12 hours, if I could do that in a day and I'd feel accomplished as hell.

I'm playing VI atm and have like 16 hours into it, but I just got to WoR.
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Old 03/03/2016   #45
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Some very interesting points in this thread! Some of my thoughts:
The GF memory loss thing WAS a cop out, but I dig the whole "we were fated to end up together as a group, we separate and keep continually being drawn together" thing, cliche as it might be, and since the GF thing was only mentioned once or twice as a way of making it make sense, I accept it. They could've just as easily said, "It was a spell", or "We forgot", and I'd still be down.

Also, compared to (some) of the other FF's, there are TONS of extraneous plot things that are under-mentioned, at least unless you really dig into optional dialogue or even extra stuff like the Ultimania. Having absorbed a lot of this info, I find it like hidden treasure, but it is no DOUBT a game flaw in the most literal sense. I mean, when I first played this (I was...hmm...12?) I didn't even realize Laguna was Squall's FATHER. I mean, it's never technically SAID, but come on. I also would find myself getting mixed up with who was controlling who and when, so it took me quite a while to realize that even though it seems like Ultimecia is just whipped out at the end (which she is), you've TECHNICALLY been dealing with her the whole time, via Edea. But Adel is still herself...right?? (See, confusing)

Also, Sicarius: So cool that you're giving some of the old FF's a run! I would have a lot of questions for af irst time ff8 player, actually, but most importantly...what did you think of the cast? That seems to be what can make or break an FF for a player.

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