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Old 08/13/2017   #16
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Can we just let this fucking thing blow over for fucks sake. We had a good fucking run there with no bullshit.

I'm not even picking a side here I sincerely think if people just gave it a week we could get back to business as usual.

/returns to the Abyss
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Old 08/13/2017   #17
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Alex: So all this is based on Godot's "shame on you" comment? Yeah, I was dismissing it with an emote we all use around here all the time.

As far as this sig thread I got annoyed by it but responded to Yop directly. I am proudly anti nazi and will remain so and if you all want to think I am "acting like a cunt" then that's your business.

And I wasn't asking for a free pass I was asking for you to be specific, so don't put words in my mouth.

Edit: Sorry, this got,ninjad by you and i couldnt reply to you so there was confusion there.

I'm annoyed by the Kafka-trapping of "if you counter me you are proving my point" by the way. None of this thread involved anybody but me and Yop,before people chose to insert themselves.
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Old 08/13/2017   #18
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Jason Tandro wrote: And I wasn't asking for a free pass I was asking for you to be specific, so don't put words in my mouth.
Jason Tandro wrote: What irritates me is that I am really just trying to move on with shit but every two seconds somebody wants to tell me "hey youre a piece of shit."
Responding that gives the impression that just because you are trying to move on with shit, you can't be called out if you do something that's wrong. If that was not what you were meaning there, I understand. But that was the impression you gave.

Jason Tandro wrote: Edit: Sorry, this got,ninjad by you and i couldnt reply to you so there was confusion there.
No problem at all!!

Jason Tandro wrote: I'm annoyed by the Kafka-trapping of "if you counter me you are proving my point" by the way. None of this thread involved anybody but me and Yop,before people chose to insert themselves.
No Kafka-trapping at all, Jason. You are missing the point. I don't care that you counter me. It's the way you are doing it, that proves it.

That said: you feel an open public thread does not involve anyone else. Fair enough. You're not going to hear from me rergarding this topic again. And you can bet I'll actively try to avoid thread where you're commenting. I know better than to waltz in where I'm not wanted*.

* I'm obviously referring to this particular topic, not the board as a whole! Wouldn't want anyone thinking that.
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Old 08/13/2017   #19
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Alex Strife wrote: And you can bet I'll actively try to avoid thread where you're commenting. I know better than to waltz in where I'm not wanted*.

* I'm obviously referring to this particular topic, not the board as a whole! Wouldn't want anyone thinking that.
This literally popped in as I was quoting you and I'm glad it did and avoided further confusion because the initial statement sounded an awful lot like what you, Mage and Godot are accusing me of doing.

Its just that this began as trouble with what was initially a filthy frank sig and ava not,working which i changed to anti nazi stuff in retaliation to the terror attack ,yesterday.

Then when I fix the problem and think things are all good (my thanking of,Yops final post should be obvious) you come in here and start with all this noise out of basically nowhere. So yeah it annoyed me and I reacted accordingly. Again Mage's term "acting like a cunt" seems way harsher and unjustified and proves my point.

I'm sorry I emasculated Omega with a cookie monster emote. Won't happen again.
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Old 08/13/2017   #20
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Jason Tandro wrote: This literally popped in as I was quoting you and I'm glad it did and avoided further confusion because the initial statement sounded an awful lot like what you, Mage and Godot are accusing me of doing.
That's why I wanted to clarify it. I think we're both on the same page here on wanting to avoid confusion, right?

Jason Tandro wrote: Its just that this began as trouble with what was initially a filthy frank sig and ava not,working which i changed to anti nazi stuff in retaliation to the terror attack ,yesterday.

Then when I fix the problem and think things are all good (my thanking of,Yops final post should be obvious) you come in here and start with all this noise out of basically nowhere. So yeah it annoyed me and I reacted accordingly. Again Mage's term "acting like a cunt" seems way harsher and unjustified and proves my point.
I have no problem admitting it might have been better if I hadn't said anything, knowing that you ARE feeling more emotional. Maybe, as Octo said, given a few days you would just go back to normal. But I don't feel what I said is wrong, still. I've been respectful towards you and I'm speaking both for you and the rest of the people here. And nothing I said was false.

Conclusion: if you do something wrong, I can't tell you. Alright, lesson learnt. I won't.

Jason Tandro wrote: I'm sorry I emasculated Omega with a cookie monster emote. Won't happen again.
Again being passive-aggressive? Unnecessary. Very, very unnecessary. If I didn't know better (which I do, so don't worry about that), I'd think you have a personal issue with me.
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Old 08/13/2017   #21
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I could make an incredibly long post in response to this (I was in the middle of doing so, in fact, before I took a half step back). Instead, I'm going to make this short, sweet, and to the point, on top of entirely devoid of emotion and full of fact.

Upon making your apology thread, you undercut the tone of seeking forgiveness from the community by being rude when I decided not to simply pat you on the back and tell you it was okay, as most of the other people in the thread have done. I believe that people should own their mistakes - myself included - and accept the consequences of their actions. I also believe they shouldn't try to rationalize their bad behavior, or excuse it by way of mitigating circumstances (just got fired from job, sick, etc). I left my post at "I can't condone this" - very short and succinct, and not even requiring a reply. Though, to be fair, it was not necessary for me to reply to your response, either.

We come then to this thread, where at time of posting, your signature contained an image of someone sticking a shotgun in their mouth and attempting to pull the trigger with their toes. Given the recent situation (and how a lot of people here have issues with that sort of thing in their own lives, myself included), I'm sure you can see how this would make people uneasy, right?

This begs the question of why you could not have simply PM'd a mod (Yop, let's say) about this, or put it in the private feedback forum when having this issue, instead of calling attention to said imagery by publicly posting a thread with a title that would naturally draw the reader's eye to your signature.

Then, in this thread, you continue to unnecessarily insult several members (I'm seeing Pixel and of all people, Alex Strife). I haven't even said anything until now, so why is my name being brought up?

Now, I'm going to level with you. I think you are incredibly lucky to have not been outright banned for your behavior. I'm not sure if it's explicitly stated in the rules, but I feel like the "what happens at X" rule might? cover calls for outright doxxing, and the obvious flaming would have certainly justified a weeklong ban at the bare minimum. I believe you are lucky to still be a member of this community in any capacity, and what you're doing now is simply burning bridges that you intended to keep up (otherwise, you wouldn't have felt the need to publicly apologize, right?).

I understand that you're going through a very intense time, physically and emotionally, but you're getting out of control.

And to end my post (that was actually longer than intended), you don't need to apologize. You've yet to emasculate me or hurt my feelings.
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Old 08/13/2017   #22
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Again with the putting words in my mouth? You and Mage based on what appear to be two,interactions of the dozens I've had since that event are going "YOURE BEING SO SNARKY, YOU'RE BEING A CUNT" then when I dare to get annoyed at that you go "SEE YOURE BEING A CUNT". Have you heard of confirmation bias?

And thats not passive aggressive thats a direct insult, lets keep our terms clear, lol. (THAT is just a joke, btw)
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Old 08/13/2017   #23
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Godot: Your name,is being brought up because of your Thanks. And my response to,you is not,meant to undercut my initial message. If you think it does that is your business, but my problem at that point was with your judgmental snark so i replied with snark of my own.

Vis a vis the suicide imagery I swear I didn't even think of it like that until you just mentioned it. I thought the suicide imagery mentioned was the hitler suicide. But yeah I can see that being a problem as Yop and Pixel pointed out so I chose to keep,my intent but in a less triggering way (I swear I am not,using that sarcastically).

Again, outside of one or two instances in my initial apology thread and here my demeanor has been completely ordinary because I am more involved in moving on. I am not going to seek every person's forgiveness, you either do or you don't and if you have a problem with me that's fine.

As far as why not PM an admin... Well hindsight is 20-20. I assumed an issue with a site function not,working at the time might warrant some looking at. It was not an attempt to create this lovely chain of events I can assure you.
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Old 08/13/2017   #24
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Jason Tandro wrote: Again with the putting words in my mouth? You and Mage based on what appear to be two,interactions of the dozens I've had since that event are going "YOURE BEING SO SNARKY, YOU'RE BEING A CUNT" then when I dare to get annoyed at that you go "SEE YOURE BEING A CUNT". Have you heard of confirmation bias?
See the difference between:

"That's wrong, because [EXPLANATION]"

and

"What in the hell are you taling about, [EXPLANATION] + somebody wants to tell me 'hey youre a piece of shit' (when I didn't)".

I think I'm being quite clear, here. No confirmation bias. I say you are overreacting and when I told you, you overreacted. At this point I'm starting to wonder if you're dragging this longer than it needs to because it's convenient to keep your defense of people supposedly attacking you for no reason.

Jason, for God's sake. I have no problem with you. I came here and told you about this because I feel that you keep reacting too strongly to pretty much everything lately. And instead of understanding I'm trying to help here by pointing it out in case you did not realise, you flipped out. I'm sorry but I think you're wrong in this case. And being wrong does not mean you're shit, only that you're wrong. There'd be no drama in this if you just understood where I am (we are?) coming from.

What words did I put in your mouth in my previous post, exactly?
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Old 08/13/2017   #25
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I said you've been acting like a cunt, not that you are one. To be quite honest I haven't had a negative thing to say about you up until now.
You've violated the 'don't be a dick' rule so many times if I were still staff I'd have temp-banned you by now. Since that's not my call it's neither here nor there but you keep posting in a forum rather than a one-to-one thread so you can't really complain when people read the content and choose to reply.

JT wrote: No I am mad at nazis who killed people ten minutes from where I live. That's not being self righteous that's having a moral center.
Please feel free to be angry at all the other social injustices happening ten minutes from you too, the lady who was killed by the driver was doing something to help the local homeless as I gather. The self-righteous stuff I referred to included that video demonstrating how to cut your wrist, since the scribble on the paper that preceded it had words to the effect of 'how alt-right/fascists can help make the world better'.

JT wrote: And yeah I am annoyed that I keep getting told "you're shit" for something I already owned and apologized for.
Who's said that? Who here has actually said 'you're shit' for doing what you did? I don't think I've seen anyone do so but feel free to correct me.
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Old 08/13/2017   #26
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"Pretty much everything"

Two things up til you started this thread, but okay.

"Dragging this out"

You're actually right. I mean you could have PM'd me but it is fair to,say I'm not thinking clearly as I often don't when I'm in the thick of it. It would be better for everybody to just drop,it and move on.

Godot is correct in saying I want to not burn bridges so lets just close the thread and move,on. Rather than me continuing on this he said she said nonsense it will be better for all involved if I prove my sincerity with actions instead of whatever the hell this has become.

I will keep my sarcasm in check.

Edit: Mage, yeah that video was made like 30 minutes after I heard and it was over the top dickish. I did remove it.
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Old 08/13/2017   #27
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Jason Tandro wrote: "Pretty much everything"

Two things up til you started this thread, but okay.
Notice that I'm speaking in a broader sense, here, and not certain instances of being snarky or whatever. Those are part of it but I feel your reaction regarding what happened 10 minutes away from your place is more emotional than what you've shown in the past. And your reaction towards other people after the initial trigger. I'm not criticising here, just stating facts. I never even once demonised you even if I felt your actions were not correct. I hope you can see that.

Either way I don't want to drag this longer after your last post (I agree with it so I'm happy to put an end to it), but I don't want you to misunderstand me either. I apologise for still having the need to respond to you in this message and I know it may seem childish to do so. But we both want to avoid confusion so I feel it made sense.

Good call here, man.
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Old 08/13/2017   #28
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Yeah, you're good man.
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Old 08/14/2017   #29
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I just want to say something regarding your reaction to what happened in Charlottesville. Like Mage said is perfectly ok for you to be angry, especially since you live so close to where it happened. A lot of us are angry too but you need to find a better way to direct that anger. After the shooting at that church in South Carolina this was said "We are the family that love built. We have no room for hate." I find it that the best way to deal with these hateful people is to counteract them with the thing that they despise. Remember after the elections when Pence moved to his new house in D.C. and a bunch of people went and had a Pride party in front of his house? That shit was awesome. And that's what we do, we show those fuckers that their hate won't stop us from love and acceptance.
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Old 08/14/2017   #30
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What happens on X stays on X, right?

I see what you mean and I have removed the ireous profile info. I still get into arguments with nazis on FB but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Edit: Off my phone now so let's be a bit clearer. Yeah I get that. I am just blocking en masse anybody who sides with the opposition so I can just shut out the voices I hear around me on a literal daily basis that drive me mad. I find it infuriating that this shit happens in this day and age. But there is good sense in the arguments of the peace-makers which I can see when I'm not being stupid and emotional.

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