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***Lex*** · 05/04/2013

I think it's time to open up a dialogue about this show, because I think it's my all time favourite show (I kind of include Angel in that too, they're both Buffyverse after all) and I know there are a fair few Buffy fans on here.

It would be nice to talk about it with you guys.

There is another Buffy thread but I thought it would be best to start fresh, including Angel and spoilers without the tags. So if anyone hasn't watched either show - go do that now. Seriously your life will be better because it's so damn awesome.

I was obsessed with it when I was younger, and I still tend to watch it all from start to finish at least once a year. Even if I'm doing other things while it's on in the background, it's a bit like my safety blanket. Like I tend to re-watch them all when I move to a new place too.

So favourite characters etc?

One thing I really want to hear people's opinions about is Cordelia. Sure, she's annoying (if funny) and completely shallow on Buffy, but it's so amazing how she becomes this fantastic character on Angel and I loved her so much, to the point that I wanted her to end up with Angel instead of Buffy. (Buffy is my preferred show of the two btw, but they're both great).

One thing I wish they'd done is have Cordelia come back to Buffy at some point in Season 6 or 7, just for an episode or two. I know why they didn't (the different networks etc) and from a story standpoint there was really no reason for Cordelia to ever go back - it was always very clear she'd outgrown the place. It would have been so fantastic to see the Buffy gang adjusting to how much she's grown and changed as a person. I kind of feel like they got used to shallow bitchy Cordelia and now that's all they have of her. Like none of them ever really got to know the "real" Cordelia.

She's not even my favourite character, she's just my "honourable mention" character because I feel like she doesn't get enough love. Seriously cannot get over her amazingness in Angel, although don't get me started on how pissed off I get about what they did (or almost did) to her character in Season 4. And then season 5 of course.

Favourites from Buffy: Willow, Giles, Tara, Anya. In that order.
Favourites from Angel: Fred, Cordelia, Lilah (how awesome is she at being a bitch!?), Lorne.

I've intentionally avoided the titular characters because I don't know where they fit in on my list tbh. I love them both though. Then there's Faith, who I thought was so fucking awesome but she ends up almost equally awesome on both shows so I don't know where to put her either.

The people I wanted the main characters to end up with: Cordelia with Angel and Buffy with no one. Joss Whedon rips your heart out of your chest of course.

I'm going to be randomly watching episodes while forgetting about studying as well as re-watching over the summer so I'll be keeping the thread alive with my own nonsense anyway.

At some point I need to read the comic continuations for both of the shows. Haven't done that yet

***X-SOLDIER*** · 05/04/2013

Dear god, I love Spike & Angel.

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I watched WAY more of Angel than I did of Buffy, but all of it was a very long time ago.

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***Lex*** · 05/04/2013

A lot of people have a huge hard on for Spike, and I get it, I do. It's not even just limited to Americans, because his accent genuinely sounds British (I was really shocked when I found out he wasn't, in all honesty).

But having seen Buffy first, the character got old for me pretty quickly. Although Joss seems to have no problem killing beloved characters, there are others he kept when IMO he should have either written them out then back in, or killed them. The two I can think of from Buffy are Spike and Anya. Although I loved Anya so SO much (some of those one liners from her absolutely kill me), it started to feel like the story didn't need either her or Spike pretty early into them actually being there.

I'm at a point now where in the later seasons Spike genuinely just gets on my nerves sometimes. It's a different story when he comes to Angel, he fits in there surprisingly well (because of his past with Angel and their interaction, of course). Might have been better if they'd moved him there full time sooner, although I suppose that puts a bit of a spanner in Season 7 of Buffy and Spike getting his soul back at the end of Season 6 etc.

The only character I feel this way about on Angel is Gunn. I plain don't like him to the point that he ruins some episodes for me. He's just so bloody boring.

Splintered · 05/04/2013

I didn't get into this show until much after it stopped airing, when my sister in law was obsessed with the show.

In a weird turn of events, I ship Buffy and Angel but I hated the way they were presented in the first few seasons. I hated Angel until season 2/3 of his own show where he suddenly got awesome. And if not Buffy and Angel, Angel should be miserable as the platonic odd couple with Spike for the rest of eternity.

Also, I love Cordelia. I always loved Cordelia. And I wasn't fond of Buffy until season 5, when Dawn came in and she stepped up in a wonderful way. But even then I was watching for the other cast.

I really liked Xander, which I know annoys people. He's a bit of a wiener, a hypocrite, and usually wrong... but I still really enjoy his character. I also really like Giles, Andrew, and Oz.

For Angel, my favorites were Cordelia, Fred, and Illyria. I find it strange than in a strongly feminist show I like the guys better, and for the more "stereotypical" show I like the girls better but oh well.

Oh and can I take a moment to say... the comics really upset me. I was keeping up for awhile with the Buffy and Angel comics (liked Angel better), but I stopped and apparently some of the shit went straight to hell. Not to whine about shipping, but fucking Xander/Dawn? No, not, please god no.

Tetsujin · 05/04/2013

I fucking love those series.

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***The Twilight Mexican*** · 05/04/2013

I say don't bother with the comics. The XanderxDawn coupling is about the only thing I do like about them. Just don't bother.

I watched Buffy and Angel from the airing of their first episodes, having already seen the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" movie with Kristy Swanson way back in the day and loving it. I even still have the novelization of that. Anyway, I loved both shows and was obsessed with both through a huge chunk of my childhood.

Like most people, I enjoyed the supporting cast members more than the eponymous stars, though both are fantastic character with superb actors. I think I can safely say I enjoyed Angel (the character) more than Buffy (the character), though, while I love Buffy as an idea just as much.

Cordelia: Loved her to bits when she was a bitch; loved her even more when she grew up. Wish they had kept her alive to be with Angel. That was a far better pairing for him than Buffy. It just felt right.

So, yeah, loved the fuck out of these shows. Though it occurs to me now just how goddamn depressing both could be. Especially season 4 of Angel. Jesus holy fuck.

Tetsujin · 05/04/2013

I just recently watched through both series again.

And yeah, season 4 of Angel was just...ugh. @.@

I'm gonna read the comics though.

I'd like to make up my own mind about them.

Ami · 05/04/2013

Buffy and Angel were the very first supernatural shows I ever got into, and I still love them now. I could go on and on all day about them both, but there is one particular highlight I need to share:

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Fangu · 05/04/2013

Out. For. A. Walk.
Bitch.

I love this thread and am very excited you made it, Lex. Will type up stuff later

Tetsujin · 05/04/2013

So guys.

Remember when Hawkeye was a hipster vampire on Angel?

(SPOILER)

Fangu · 05/04/2013

^ WHAT THE HELL

That's so funny

Which ep is that??

***Lex*** · 05/04/2013

That's from somewhere in season 1 I think. The dood and his gf have a history with Angel and at the start of the episode Angel kills the gf, then he gets his heart ripped out to make himself indestructible for 24 hours so he can kill Angel.

Fangu · 05/04/2013

Re: dancing

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Tetsujin · 05/04/2013

Fangu wrote: ^ WHAT THE HELL

That's so funny Which ep is that??

S1E11 "Somnambulist"

The Pyro · 05/05/2013

*runs over the Welcome to Sunnydale sign in a blacked-out car, lights cigarette* Home, sweet home

But seriously, just rewatched the entirety of Buffy and Angel from "Welcome to the Hellmouth" all the way through to "Won't Fade Away." All is good and there is too much goodness. Except Riley Finn, that poncey little sod can go suck a dick

05/04/2013	#1
*Lex* *Administrator* Great Old One Reunion Join Date: Jun 2009 Sex: Male Location: Scotland AKA: PSN: Prince-Lex	Whedonverse Discussion (Spoilers) I think it's time to open up a dialogue about this show, because I think it's my all time favourite show (I kind of include Angel in that too, they're both Buffyverse after all) and I know there are a fair few Buffy fans on here. It would be nice to talk about it with you guys. There is another Buffy thread but I thought it would be best to start fresh, including Angel and spoilers without the tags. So if anyone hasn't watched either show - go do that now. Seriously your life will be better because it's so damn awesome. I was obsessed with it when I was younger, and I still tend to watch it all from start to finish at least once a year. Even if I'm doing other things while it's on in the background, it's a bit like my safety blanket. Like I tend to re-watch them all when I move to a new place too. So favourite characters etc? One thing I really want to hear people's opinions about is Cordelia. Sure, she's annoying (if funny) and completely shallow on Buffy, but it's so amazing how she becomes this fantastic character on Angel and I loved her so much, to the point that I wanted her to end up with Angel instead of Buffy. (Buffy is my preferred show of the two btw, but they're both great). One thing I wish they'd done is have Cordelia come back to Buffy at some point in Season 6 or 7, just for an episode or two. I know why they didn't (the different networks etc) and from a story standpoint there was really no reason for Cordelia to ever go back - it was always very clear she'd outgrown the place. It would have been so fantastic to see the Buffy gang adjusting to how much she's grown and changed as a person. I kind of feel like they got used to shallow bitchy Cordelia and now that's all they have of her. Like none of them ever really got to know the "real" Cordelia. She's not even my favourite character, she's just my "honourable mention" character because I feel like she doesn't get enough love. Seriously cannot get over her amazingness in Angel, although don't get me started on how pissed off I get about what they did (or almost did) to her character in Season 4. And then season 5 of course. Favourites from Buffy: Willow, Giles, Tara, Anya. In that order. Favourites from Angel: Fred, Cordelia, Lilah (how awesome is she at being a bitch!?), Lorne. I've intentionally avoided the titular characters because I don't know where they fit in on my list tbh. I love them both though. Then there's Faith, who I thought was so fucking awesome but she ends up almost equally awesome on both shows so I don't know where to put her either. The people I wanted the main characters to end up with: Cordelia with Angel and Buffy with no one. Joss Whedon rips your heart out of your chest of course. I'm going to be randomly watching episodes while forgetting about studying as well as re-watching over the summer so I'll be keeping the thread alive with my own nonsense anyway. At some point I need to read the comic continuations for both of the shows. Haven't done that yet __________________ Especially for me, by the awesome GLD! Signature by Gabriel <3 mShenko <3 Last edited by Lex; 08/14/2013 at 09:49 AM. Reason: Changed to broader subject

05/04/2013	#3
*Lex* *Administrator* Great Old One Reunion Join Date: Jun 2009 Sex: Male Location: Scotland AKA: PSN: Prince-Lex	A lot of people have a huge hard on for Spike, and I get it, I do. It's not even just limited to Americans, because his accent genuinely sounds British (I was really shocked when I found out he wasn't, in all honesty). But having seen Buffy first, the character got old for me pretty quickly. Although Joss seems to have no problem killing beloved characters, there are others he kept when IMO he should have either written them out then back in, or killed them. The two I can think of from Buffy are Spike and Anya. Although I loved Anya so SO much (some of those one liners from her absolutely kill me), it started to feel like the story didn't need either her or Spike pretty early into them actually being there. I'm at a point now where in the later seasons Spike genuinely just gets on my nerves sometimes. It's a different story when he comes to Angel, he fits in there surprisingly well (because of his past with Angel and their interaction, of course). Might have been better if they'd moved him there full time sooner, although I suppose that puts a bit of a spanner in Season 7 of Buffy and Spike getting his soul back at the end of Season 6 etc. The only character I feel this way about on Angel is Gunn. I plain don't like him to the point that he ruins some episodes for me. He's just so bloody boring. __________________ Especially for me, by the awesome GLD! Signature by Gabriel <3 mShenko <3

05/04/2013	#4
Splintered Elite Member unsavory tart Join Date: Jun 2009	I didn't get into this show until much after it stopped airing, when my sister in law was obsessed with the show. In a weird turn of events, I ship Buffy and Angel but I hated the way they were presented in the first few seasons. I hated Angel until season 2/3 of his own show where he suddenly got awesome. And if not Buffy and Angel, Angel should be miserable as the platonic odd couple with Spike for the rest of eternity. Also, I love Cordelia. I always loved Cordelia. And I wasn't fond of Buffy until season 5, when Dawn came in and she stepped up in a wonderful way. But even then I was watching for the other cast. I really liked Xander, which I know annoys people. He's a bit of a wiener, a hypocrite, and usually wrong... but I still really enjoy his character. I also really like Giles, Andrew, and Oz. For Angel, my favorites were Cordelia, Fred, and Illyria. I find it strange than in a strongly feminist show I like the guys better, and for the more "stereotypical" show I like the girls better but oh well. Oh and can I take a moment to say... the comics really upset me. I was keeping up for awhile with the Buffy and Angel comics (liked Angel better), but I stopped and apparently some of the shit went straight to hell. Not to whine about shipping, but fucking Xander/Dawn? No, not, please god no. __________________

05/04/2013	#6
*The Twilight Mexican* *Administrator* Great Old One Ex-SeeD-ingly good Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 35 Sex: Male Location: North Carolina AKA: TresDias, Hawkeye, El Diablo Gato, Martha Jones, Ariadne, Squall of SeeD, Squall_of_SeeD	I say don't bother with the comics. The XanderxDawn coupling is about the only thing I do like about them. Just don't bother. I watched Buffy and Angel from the airing of their first episodes, having already seen the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" movie with Kristy Swanson way back in the day and loving it. I even still have the novelization of that. Anyway, I loved both shows and was obsessed with both through a huge chunk of my childhood. Like most people, I enjoyed the supporting cast members more than the eponymous stars, though both are fantastic character with superb actors. I think I can safely say I enjoyed Angel (the character) more than Buffy (the character), though, while I love Buffy as an idea just as much. Cordelia: Loved her to bits when she was a bitch; loved her even more when she grew up. Wish they had kept her alive to be with Angel. That was a far better pairing for him than Buffy. It just felt right. So, yeah, loved the fuck out of these shows. Though it occurs to me now just how goddamn depressing both could be. Especially season 4 of Angel. Jesus holy fuck. __________________ Quexinos wrote: I wish I had been there when Cloud realized he had geostigma. I bet he cried. hito wrote: man i miss flip phones, they were cool and now everything is a boring slab

05/04/2013	#9
Fangu Staff Emeritus Great Old One Donator Join Date: Oct 2011 Age: 40 AKA: Fanguuuuu	Out. For. A. Walk. Bitch. I love this thread and am very excited you made it, Lex. Will type up stuff later __________________ Quotes and shit Progress!

05/04/2013	#7
Tetsujin Great Old One IronDude Join Date: Nov 2008	I just recently watched through both series again. And yeah, season 4 of Angel was just...ugh. @.@ I'm gonna read the comics though. I'd like to make up my own mind about them.

05/04/2013	#11
Fangu Staff Emeritus Great Old One Donator Join Date: Oct 2011 Age: 40 AKA: Fanguuuuu	^ WHAT THE HELL That's so funny Which ep is that?? __________________ Quotes and shit Progress!

05/04/2013	#14
Tetsujin Great Old One IronDude Join Date: Nov 2008	Fangu wrote: ^ WHAT THE HELL That's so funny Which ep is that?? S1E11 "Somnambulist"

05/05/2013	#15
The Pyro Legendary Member Mmmph! Join Date: Jan 2010 Age: 37 Sex: Male. Location: Teufort AKA: Gym Leader Devil, Death, Everybody's Grudge, Spike, Azathoth	runs over the Welcome to Sunnydale sign in a blacked-out car, lights cigarette Home, sweet home But seriously, just rewatched the entirety of Buffy and Angel from "Welcome to the Hellmouth" all the way through to "Won't Fade Away." All is good and there is too much goodness. Except Riley Finn, that poncey little sod can go suck a dick __________________ TresDias wrote: Your post is full of sweet punnage and winning diction. I like you. Come play with me in Pyroland... Yeah, I got more to brag about than ever...