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Old 06/10/2018   #181
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The biggest issue I have with it currently is that the BBC Code is broken. It's hard for me to judge if this is an upgrade when something as basic (and as widely used) as the spoiler tag doesn't work or hasn't been ported over correctly.

There's a lot of other weird BBC Code formatting that is visible and a lot of large images are now visible. It just looks very, very messy at the moment and that makes it hard to judge fairly.
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Old 06/10/2018   #182
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I also pinged Lex and let him know that I'm happy to help cover costs of moving over to a Xenforo license if that ends up looking like the best option. There is a good argument to be made about growing pains and maintaining overall consistency, especially if anything Remake-relevant DOES drop tomorrow, because the less time we can spend as a whole on adapting to the new environment, and the more time we can focus on the community itself, the better.

Also, with the rise of ResetEra I think that there's likely a deal of familiarity that comes along with that software that didn't exist before back when we were first weighing options, but I really have no idea.






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Old 06/11/2018   #183
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I feel like we need more community input, but Flint was a big driver of the move to Discourse and now that he's no longer here I don't suspect there'll be as strong a support for it.

You're not wrong X, ResetEra essentially allows those of us who post there to have demo'd it. It's responsive enough and it has all the modern features you'd expect from a forum so when I weigh that up with Discourse I personally prefer Xenforo, but that's not to say we'd be able to provide the same experience with our server etc.

The main take-home is that if we DID move to Discourse, it'll be a dramatic adjustment. And Xenforo exists as an option that's a bit more familiar experience to what we currently have. (The install/ import would also be much easier from Yop's point of view).

But it's a setback if that's a decision we make, because it puts us back to square one on skinning and choosing functionality. It's a sacrifice I'm happy to make if the community deems it the best way forward though.

Also worth nothing is that a big reason Discourse was chosen was that it's free and open source. With Xenforo we may very well find ourselves in the exact same position down the line: saddled with failing/ obsolete software and flailing around trying to find a new alternative.
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Old 06/11/2018   #184
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If anyone wants to try out Xenforo making an account on Reset seems daunting at first but its rather easy.

All you need is a student email, if you don't have on you can usually generate an email address through your ISP that will work for the registration process as well (that's how I made mine).
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Old 06/11/2018   #185
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Code brokeness aside, I'm totally ok with moving to something resembling Xenforo.
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Old 06/11/2018   #186
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Lex wrote: I feel like we need more community input, but Flint was a big driver of the move to Discourse and now that he's no longer here I don't suspect there'll be as strong a support for it.
Was he just a driver or did he do a lot of coding an shit for it too? I mean, even with him leaving and what happened, if he really worked on it and put effort into the Discourse one, I feel like it might be a slap in the face to say "no it's shit, let's do Xen"

Saying that though, I looked at the Discourse one and don't like it, so not like I'm pitching a tent for him or anything. Just wanted to see what the deal was with him having a hand or not in the tech stuff.

X raised a good point that if shit drops tomorrow and we get an influx of new members, we need to be as appealing as possible to them. We want to draw in the new crowd and show that everything/new content/etc is easy to find.

Literally Who? wrote: If anyone wants to try out Xenforo making an account on Reset seems daunting at first but its rather easy.

All you need is a student email, if you don't have on you can usually generate an email address through your ISP that will work for the registration process as well (that's how I made mine).
...why a student email??

A big call to the forum goers may be needed - an announcement on the top of the page like for new staff or something, to try get more input. So far it's the same odd 5 people in there.
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Old 06/11/2018   #187
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I am too in love with the current forum. Neither Discourse nor Xenforo are to my liking, but from a security- and stability standpoint I understand that the move is necessary.

I agree that Flintlock (and other members) have spent too much time on Discourse for us to just throw it away. I reckon plenty of us won't know if we like the new forum until we've had time to try it out and adjust. Ergo, we might as well try out Discourse and then see what happens.
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Old 06/11/2018   #188
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To note: You can setup an account on the test forum right now and see what you think of it, so that you don't HAVE to experience the shock as a transition of everything. I figure that what we do/don't hear 12 hours from now may impact how we handle any transitions either way, but if there're usability concerns it's always better to know about them before when we can focus our efforts on something else if we need to, or if they're things that we can handle in the Discourse format with some haxxx, etc.





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Old 06/11/2018   #189
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I've actually tried out the TLS Discourse test forum. It's functional enough. But to actually *get used* to the forum I'd need to use it regularly for a week or so. After that I'll let the project leads know my final opinion.
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Old 06/11/2018   #190
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X-SOLDIER wrote: I figure that what we do/don't hear 12 hours from now may impact how we handle any transitions either way,:
Totally - if shit hits the fan and we get tons of new members signing up due to our YT videos as well, trying to draw people in, we may want to postpone movement for like.. at least a month or something.
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Old 06/11/2018   #191
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I personally think that Discourse is just too much of a drastic change, and having spent time on both the test server and ResetEra ... there really isn't much of a choice in terms of which one to go to for familiarity and accessibility, which, ultimately, is the biggest points of a forum.

But yeah, seriously, everyone should go and have a look at the test server then bring back input here. I just wish this had happened back when it was first put up so that we're not in a situation now where Remake could appear, with a flood of new people and all the joy from that, and we could potentially harm TLS with what forum transition happens next.
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Old 06/11/2018   #192
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Was he just a driver or did he do a lot of coding an shit for it too? I mean, even with him leaving and what happened, if he really worked on it and put effort into the Discourse one, I feel like it might be a slap in the face to say "no it's shit, let's do Xen"

I agree that Flintlock (and other members) have spent too much time on Discourse for us to just throw it away

From the two posts in slight favor of Discourse the sentiment already comes back around to sunk cost fallacy. The big reason yall are saying we should try it is because it would feel bad to throw away that work, not that the software was genuinely worth using.

That's why I said in my first super negative post I want to skip Discourse all together because when were already there the discussion can easily go from "is this actually good" to "Yeah but people put in effort".


Like no offense to anyone , but i personally believe the amount of time working on something isn't relevant in the discussion on whether or not that something is worth using.

I mean Flints an adult and stuff, additionally the goal of this discussion isn't to make sure people don't feel bad. It's to find and use the better, easier to use, implement and work with software for our community. In all of those categories Xen beats Discourse.

It's just way to many cons than pros it looks like.

Cons.

It doesn't look good, it doesn't feel good, it's apparently a pain to work with in many departments behind the scenes in addition to bunk in front of the scenes, it's already racked up a decent bill just sitting there for months on end, and it's completely different from contemporary forum structures that the rest of the still using forums part of the internet uses. And it doesn't even really have unique features that Xen doesn't have either apparently


Pros.

It's free, and Flint and crew put a lot of hard work into it.

And again I'm not discounting the work that was put in or trying to say the work itself is bad. I'm saying the software is bad, and the reason the site looks and feels like that on Discourse is not for a lack of skill on any of the contributors part. It's just clear that they had to wrestle with the software the whole way through.

And furthermore, Idk what happened with Flint and stuff but if he was the main driver of the software and was putting in all the work and left. And that's what were stuck with? And we gotta find someone else to make it work? That's an even bigger con.

Idk if theres another version of the Discourse site or something that's more up to date, but if it's the one that was linked earlier there's no way we can go live with that. o.O


..why a student email??
Reset was made in the wake of really big , articles are getting published about it, Neogaf drama IIRC. With that in mind and the huge userbase of Neogaf they didn't want it to be an easy place for trolls to slip in easily so non-throwaway ,unique , emails are required to register there. It's not a Xenforo thing, just something thats specific to Reset to help filter trolls since it's a massive community.



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I really want to just reiterate im not trying to be an ass on purpose guys. I just suck massively European dicks at expressing myself. I hope you can look past the rough edges of my points and see the merit of what im trying to say.

I just feel like we can do waaaay better than software whose only real pro is that it's free. If we were just another version of ACF again that's just another form of FB for us like FFoF , of FCF or what ever were then I wouldn't care.

But clearly TLS aspires to be more than that with the high quality work we continually put out and strive to create. And with potentially the biggest news this community has ever had, and has been waiting years upon years for now is definitely not the time to just settle.


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Old 06/11/2018   #193
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I think that the quickest tl;dr version about public opinion would be that at this point:

There are several misgivings about transitioning over to Discourse.
There are almost no misgivings about transitioning over to Xenforo.

Yes?




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Old 06/11/2018   #194
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I would probably prefer Xenforo. It looks more like forums. Discourse is somewhat confusing and whilst I could probably get used to it, I'd rather not have to.
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Old 06/11/2018   #195
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X-SOLDIER wrote: I think that the quickest tl;dr version about public opinion would be that at this point:

There are several misgivings about transitioning over to Discourse.
There are almost no misgivings about transitioning over to Xenforo.

Yes?
You can add the third opinion:

There are misgivings about transitioning to Xenforo without giving Discourse a try first, considering the amount of work and passion already spent on Discourse preparations.
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