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Mr. Ite · 06/20/2018

^FFXIV just sounds more and more appealing every time I hear you guys talk about it.

Obsidian Fire · 06/20/2018

There's a Free Trial of it that goes up to Lvl 30 if you want to give it a try...

I'll just put it this way, the first major non-game media that was made for FFXIV was Encyclopedia Eorzea, a lore book written from the perspective of an in-universe scholar. It's pretty much the Role-Playing Book of FFXIV. A good portion of the information in the book never made it into the game because there's been no reason for the game to go into that kind of scholarly detail about things and yet the devs came up with it anyway. The Lore Team likes their consistency.

You'd probably be interested in this panel one of the Main Scenario writers and one of the Localization team leads did at PAX East 2018. It goes into a lot of how the FFXIV team writes and translates the FFXIV story.

Theozilla · 06/20/2018

FFXIV is a fantastic game and story experience. The first Main Scenario is a little basic but dramatically improves after that.

***Cthulhu*** · 06/20/2018

Yeah, I'm afraid to say this but while the vanilla game is already quite good (for an MMO), the late game, patch content, and both expansions make it justifiably one of the best MMO's out there.

Off course the flipside is that a lot of these dialogs / story bits get tedious as fuck, and if you dislike Alphinaud from the start, hooo boy.

Obsidian Fire · 06/21/2018

To be fair, Alphianud improves a lot from early ARR to late HW. It's almost like character development is thing that happens. I blame Alphinaud's tediousness on being considered a child genius from a society that revolves around learning for the sake of learning and then not doing much with it. Besides staying out of the conflicts everyone else is going though... fortunately, one thing FFXIV is not short on is a very large cast of characters. The odds of you finding some character you're interested in is pretty good.

Also, considering the shitstorm 1.0 was, 2.0's story is fantastic. Sure it's on the basic side, but a lot of the ideas it introduced are still very relevant to the story currently being told and it is still a gold-mine when going over how certain things in the world work. It's not like it's been rendered irrelevant or anything... it's just that the storytelling has improved a lot since then.

BforBrigitta · 06/21/2018

Mr. Ite wrote: ^FFXIV just sounds more and more appealing every time I hear you guys talk about it.

Ite I'm a recent convert currently playing the Free Trial and I am well pleased and impressed with this game. There are a lot of bits and bobs to it and it can be a little overwhelming but you get plenty of time in the Free Trial to get adjusted and I'm really, really enjoying myself. I already decided quite early on to buy the game after my trial is over because I like it so much.

***Cthulhu*** · 06/21/2018

Character development aside, I still don't like Alphinaud

Okay maybe a bit less ad hominem, I don't like how story related

***X-SOLDIER*** · 07/09/2018

I couldn't help but think of this thread when I saw this today.

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sy2pie · 07/24/2018

keith0301 wrote: It isn't the combat. No. Its the storytelling.

I know I'm not speaking for everyone here...but why did we LOVE FF 7/8/9 or the titles before these? I know some of you may disagree...but why did many of us begin to lose our love for the Final Fantasy's from 10 onward? The switch to Enix brought upon a lot of things that I have resented....but the biggest of all is the absence of dialogue appearing in text on screen.

Watching some of the clips that have been posted in other threads...it reminded me about what was so special about Final Fantasy. You were able to literally attach your own emotion, your own backstory, your own thoughts, feelings, and interpretations to the characters personality, etc. Not only could you identify with the character more (e.g. choosing answers to questions that reflect your own reactions to such situations) but you were able to pace it as you felt appropriate. The BEAUTIFUL music would play...and you would be the Director. You had the control. You could control the "BEATS" as we call it in film. You chose when the next person would speak. Every scene was being orchestrated by you. You were the puppet master in a sense.

I was appalled by FF10. Forcing us to listen to voices for the first time. I'll never forget it. It totally destroyed what made games so special in comparison to movies/TV, etc. I imagine people felt the same way when movies/games, etc. destroyed the magic of the written word and reading a book...

But with my personal feelings being said...agree to disagree if you will about how much it matters...this will undoubtedly though COMPLETELY CHANGE the experience of the FF7 remake. It is the single biggest factor as far as I'm concerned. Every experience, every scene we remember, every element of the story will be subject to someone elses interpretation. We no longer have control. We no longer can have that personal connection.

Such SUBTLE things...like right before the death of Aeris...did anyone else make Cloud jerk the handle of the sword over and over to make it more dramatic? You had in a way...this sense of creative control over the story.

By being able to answer questions in a way you saw fit...you were able to more strongly identify with the characters. You could make Cloud more insecure or more confident. You could make scenes more humorous or more serious. And often times your choices would surprise you and be wonderful outcomes. That was the MAGIC.

The remake will lose all of this.

If you think this isn't a big deal...just think about the times where you got lost in the music and in the moment. Where you imagined you were in that scene with those characters...where you held off on hitting the "next" button because you wanted to let it soak in. You'll never get that but with the original.

Anybody have any thoughts? This will completely reshape every scene we cherish from the original.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I felt FF8 was a small step-down. The game was fun to play and brilliant in many ways but the storyline was all over the place and completely unbelievable. This blew the illusion for me. I really struggled to connect to the characters because of this which is one of FF7 strongest selling points.

FF9 was a great game in its own right too. But 10 was certainly the nosedive for me. The game was a total mess.

Kain424 · 07/25/2018

I think, inevitably, there will be differences. Whether it's a larger issue like the actual change in the story, or something minor like voice acting. But through something as easy to implement as a dialog wheel and our familiar team involved in the creation, this could actually turn out to be a very rewarding experience for longtime fans of the original.

We will finally have the lush environments previously only hinted at or left to our imaginations. Characters will have facial expressions and the music employed will be supported by today's best equipment. And if I'm understanding the translations in the interviews correctly, the story will be even more fleshed out.

Much time has passed, and videogame storytelling has only improved over the intervening years. I've always felt Final Fantasy VII to be a benchmark for a kind of storytelling only videogames can provide. The way they tease us before letting us out into the world outside Midgar is a great example of this (I went into this a bit in a video I made last year, if you are curious as to what I mean).

But now that more AAA games are using this kind of meta-storytelling for games (i.e. The Last of Us and Uncharted 4), we can likely expect to experience plot beats and storylines in a whole new way.

T@ctic · 07/25/2018

Obsidian Fire wrote: There's a Free Trial of it that goes up to Lvl 30 if you want to give it a try...

I'll just put it this way, the first major non-game media that was made for FFXIV was Encyclopedia Eorzea, a lore book written from the perspective of an in-universe scholar. It's pretty much the Role-Playing Book of FFXIV. A good portion of the information in the book never made it into the game because there's been no reason for the game to go into that kind of scholarly detail about things and yet the devs came up with it anyway. The Lore Team likes their consistency.

sorry to butt in here like this but it's free up to lvl 35 i believe. at least that's what i last read.

LicoriceAllsorts · 07/25/2018

"Much time has passed, and videogame storytelling has only improved over the intervening years."

This may be true generally, but is it true of SE, or at least of FF? FFXII's storytelling was okay, but the story itself was pretty insubstantial, compared to FFVII; FFXV has a cracking story, but the game does a very poor job of telling it. I can't speak to FFXIII.

Minato · 07/25/2018

I can. FFXIII method of storytelling was very limited. Datalogs and cutscenes were the only tools available.

**ForceStealer** · 07/25/2018

I mean, I think the stories in X, XII, XIII, and XV are all better than VIII's so...

Minato · 07/25/2018

12 and 13 were definitely more focused then 8, dunno about better.

06/20/2018	#32
Obsidian Fire Elite Member Ahk Morn! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Fractal Continuum, Azys Lla AKA: The Engineer	There's a Free Trial of it that goes up to Lvl 30 if you want to give it a try... I'll just put it this way, the first major non-game media that was made for FFXIV was Encyclopedia Eorzea, a lore book written from the perspective of an in-universe scholar. It's pretty much the Role-Playing Book of FFXIV. A good portion of the information in the book never made it into the game because there's been no reason for the game to go into that kind of scholarly detail about things and yet the devs came up with it anyway. The Lore Team likes their consistency. You'd probably be interested in this panel one of the Main Scenario writers and one of the Localization team leads did at PAX East 2018. It goes into a lot of how the FFXIV team writes and translates the FFXIV story. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06/20/2018	#33
Theozilla Epic Member Kaiju Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Age: 29 Sex: Male Location: Oakland, California, USA	FFXIV is a fantastic game and story experience. The first Main Scenario is a little basic but dramatically improves after that. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06/21/2018	#35
Obsidian Fire Elite Member Ahk Morn! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Fractal Continuum, Azys Lla AKA: The Engineer	To be fair, Alphianud improves a lot from early ARR to late HW. It's almost like character development is thing that happens. I blame Alphinaud's tediousness on being considered a child genius from a society that revolves around learning for the sake of learning and then not doing much with it. Besides staying out of the conflicts everyone else is going though... fortunately, one thing FFXIV is not short on is a very large cast of characters. The odds of you finding some character you're interested in is pretty good. Also, considering the shitstorm 1.0 was, 2.0's story is fantastic. Sure it's on the basic side, but a lot of the ideas it introduced are still very relevant to the story currently being told and it is still a gold-mine when going over how certain things in the world work. It's not like it's been rendered irrelevant or anything... it's just that the storytelling has improved a lot since then. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07/24/2018	#39
sy2pie Full Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Sex: Male Location: Cambridge. UK AKA: sy2pie	keith0301 wrote: It isn't the combat. No. Its the storytelling. I know I'm not speaking for everyone here...but why did we LOVE FF 7/8/9 or the titles before these? I know some of you may disagree...but why did many of us begin to lose our love for the Final Fantasy's from 10 onward? The switch to Enix brought upon a lot of things that I have resented....but the biggest of all is the absence of dialogue appearing in text on screen. Watching some of the clips that have been posted in other threads...it reminded me about what was so special about Final Fantasy. You were able to literally attach your own emotion, your own backstory, your own thoughts, feelings, and interpretations to the characters personality, etc. Not only could you identify with the character more (e.g. choosing answers to questions that reflect your own reactions to such situations) but you were able to pace it as you felt appropriate. The BEAUTIFUL music would play...and you would be the Director. You had the control. You could control the "BEATS" as we call it in film. You chose when the next person would speak. Every scene was being orchestrated by you. You were the puppet master in a sense. I was appalled by FF10. Forcing us to listen to voices for the first time. I'll never forget it. It totally destroyed what made games so special in comparison to movies/TV, etc. I imagine people felt the same way when movies/games, etc. destroyed the magic of the written word and reading a book... But with my personal feelings being said...agree to disagree if you will about how much it matters...this will undoubtedly though COMPLETELY CHANGE the experience of the FF7 remake. It is the single biggest factor as far as I'm concerned. Every experience, every scene we remember, every element of the story will be subject to someone elses interpretation. We no longer have control. We no longer can have that personal connection. Such SUBTLE things...like right before the death of Aeris...did anyone else make Cloud jerk the handle of the sword over and over to make it more dramatic? You had in a way...this sense of creative control over the story. By being able to answer questions in a way you saw fit...you were able to more strongly identify with the characters. You could make Cloud more insecure or more confident. You could make scenes more humorous or more serious. And often times your choices would surprise you and be wonderful outcomes. That was the MAGIC. The remake will lose all of this. If you think this isn't a big deal...just think about the times where you got lost in the music and in the moment. Where you imagined you were in that scene with those characters...where you held off on hitting the "next" button because you wanted to let it soak in. You'll never get that but with the original. Anybody have any thoughts? This will completely reshape every scene we cherish from the original. I couldn't agree with you more. I felt FF8 was a small step-down. The game was fun to play and brilliant in many ways but the storyline was all over the place and completely unbelievable. This blew the illusion for me. I really struggled to connect to the characters because of this which is one of FF7 strongest selling points. FF9 was a great game in its own right too. But 10 was certainly the nosedive for me. The game was a total mess.

07/25/2018	#41
T@ctic Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 AKA: Orah	Obsidian Fire wrote: There's a Free Trial of it that goes up to Lvl 30 if you want to give it a try... I'll just put it this way, the first major non-game media that was made for FFXIV was Encyclopedia Eorzea, a lore book written from the perspective of an in-universe scholar. It's pretty much the Role-Playing Book of FFXIV. A good portion of the information in the book never made it into the game because there's been no reason for the game to go into that kind of scholarly detail about things and yet the devs came up with it anyway. The Lore Team likes their consistency. sorry to butt in here like this but it's free up to lvl 35 i believe. at least that's what i last read. __________________ [SIGPIC]https://images2.imgbox.com/80/3a/Cd0mcfTD_o.png[/SIGPIC] "Anything worth dying for is certainly worth living for." - Catch 22

06/20/2018	#31
Mr. Ite Ascended Member Infradian Canadian Join Date: Apr 2010 AKA: Mr. Ite	^FFXIV just sounds more and more appealing every time I hear you guys talk about it.

06/20/2018	#34
*Cthulhu* *Administrator* Great Old One Join Date: Nov 2008	Yeah, I'm afraid to say this but while the vanilla game is already quite good (for an MMO), the late game, patch content, and both expansions make it justifiably one of the best MMO's out there. Off course the flipside is that a lot of these dialogs / story bits get tedious as fuck, and if you dislike Alphinaud from the start, hooo boy.

06/21/2018	#36
BforBrigitta Senior Member Donator Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Australia AKA: B, Supportive Hedgehog, Bri half of Brancy, Karaoke Menace Zack	Mr. Ite wrote: ^FFXIV just sounds more and more appealing every time I hear you guys talk about it. Ite I'm a recent convert currently playing the Free Trial and I am well pleased and impressed with this game. There are a lot of bits and bobs to it and it can be a little overwhelming but you get plenty of time in the Free Trial to get adjusted and I'm really, really enjoying myself. I already decided quite early on to buy the game after my trial is over because I like it so much.

07/25/2018	#40
Kain424 Full Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montana	I think, inevitably, there will be differences. Whether it's a larger issue like the actual change in the story, or something minor like voice acting. But through something as easy to implement as a dialog wheel and our familiar team involved in the creation, this could actually turn out to be a very rewarding experience for longtime fans of the original. We will finally have the lush environments previously only hinted at or left to our imaginations. Characters will have facial expressions and the music employed will be supported by today's best equipment. And if I'm understanding the translations in the interviews correctly, the story will be even more fleshed out. Much time has passed, and videogame storytelling has only improved over the intervening years. I've always felt Final Fantasy VII to be a benchmark for a kind of storytelling only videogames can provide. The way they tease us before letting us out into the world outside Midgar is a great example of this (I went into this a bit in a video I made last year, if you are curious as to what I mean). But now that more AAA games are using this kind of meta-storytelling for games (i.e. The Last of Us and Uncharted 4), we can likely expect to experience plot beats and storylines in a whole new way.

07/25/2018	#42
LicoriceAllsorts Staff Emeritus Legendary Member Donator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Edge of My Seat	"Much time has passed, and videogame storytelling has only improved over the intervening years." This may be true generally, but is it true of SE, or at least of FF? FFXII's storytelling was okay, but the story itself was pretty insubstantial, compared to FFVII; FFXV has a cracking story, but the game does a very poor job of telling it. I can't speak to FFXIII. __________________ FIFTY SHADES OF TSENG

07/25/2018	#43
Minato Elite Member Donator Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 31 Sex: Yes Location: Close AKA: MarquessLaus, Brandon Stark, Epyon, Mr Foxhound, Doran	I can. FFXIII method of storytelling was very limited. Datalogs and cutscenes were the only tools available.

07/25/2018	#44
ForceStealer Super Moderator Great Old One Double Growth Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 34 Sex: Male AKA: Ramza Beoulve, Sonic the Hedgehog, Vash the Stampede	I mean, I think the stories in X, XII, XIII, and XV are all better than VIII's so... __________________ hitoshura wrote: Don't belittle my peoples, bitch. We work hard and we do what we're told. And might possibly be Scottish. ultima espio wrote: I'm not sure if it was a BOMB, it could have been MAKO, KING, BEST, or ORBS.