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Old 01/14/2017   #1141
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I'll forever be bitter about the koibito thing. People were kicking and screaming about Tifa being called someone's koibito, how it was actually koi bito, how it was not a romance thing, and then suddenly it was in CoL:W and now koibito was definite solid proof forever.
Definitely have a very different view of that when the infamous koibito line came crashing down and although we still tried to make sure to tell everyone that the information is still unverified. A few of us may have let it spiraled out of control, mainly because of dealing with the incessant "Cloti is canon" when the reunion files was first published.
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Old 01/15/2017   #1142
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If SE is paying attention to any other modern choice-driven RPG franchise, they'll give the remake players full control over their waifu preferences. We've always set aside player choice in this discussion because of the weird circumstances of disc 1. But today's gamers don't tolerate their choices being ignored. Bioware learned the hard way, as did CDPR - hell, the Witcher 3 fanbase just went through the exact same LTD process. But instead of arguing about translations or caring what the books say, the Triss Merigold fans went straight to CDPR and demanded in-universe respect for their choice. And they got a patch and an apology. Such is the landscape in 2017.

Here's what I'd like to see for the FF7 remake: scrap the vague dialogue and pseudo-random points system. Let players continue to make choices after disc/game 1, and reward those choices with unique content. Do it like other modern AAA RPGs: make the players follow an obvious dialogue path, go out of their way to complete side quests, and eventually lock them in. Make it fun - let them romance Mukki if they want. It'll involve a bit of creativity given the plot, but it can be done believably. When players get replay value, shippers get squee value, and Nomura gets to stop being coy in interviews, everybody wins. If we're still attempting divination from non-source material, if we're still crowding around Reunion Files with a ruler and magnifying glass measuring the space between koi____bito then we all lose.
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Old 01/15/2017   #1143
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^I think that approach would avoid arguments re: the remake for people entirely new to FFVII.

But for the rest of us....there is no hope.
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Old 01/16/2017   #1144
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Witcher 2 was built based on the Triss choice. No we should not have had whole seperate game about Gerald and Shahi. Same with the later parts of FFVII.
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Old 06/06/2017   #1145
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https://twitter.com/FF_NewsRoom/stat...981952/photo/1

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(and no i don't regret bumping this for stupid shit)
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Old 06/06/2017   #1146
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I'm actually glad you did because I've been meaning to get this theory off my chest but have been avoiding bringing this thread up from the grave because of, well, it's feelings. Dunno, didn't want to be the one to open this can of worms xD

BUT OKAY OKAY, HERE I GO.

On Cloud and Tifa's relationship.

Moi and TrisakAminawn were discussing the fact that Cloud didn't really seem to get on with any of the neighbourhood kids and whatnot and only seemed interested in being Tifa's friend. We also thought it was weird that Tifa and Cloud would be referred to as each other's childhood friends when they didn't seem to hang out all that much. So why was Tifa the exception?!

The assumption I always had was simply because he had a crush on her, but, again, after me and Trisak's discussion, I decided to dig deeper!

The conclusion that we eventually came to was that Cloud and Tifa must have been playmates when they were very young. Perhaps Cloud's mum would ask her neighbours to look after her son whilst she went and worked (at the grocers?! idk) because she's a single parent and single parents have to hustle etc. And so Cloud going over all the time as a little munchkin gave him and Tifa amble time to form some semblance of a bond. Tifa and Cloud might have been each other's first friends. You can certainly warrant them childhood friends at that point. Cloud probably especially valued this friendship given his seemingly natural inclination to withdraw to himself/he comes across as a shy person.

Then, as they grew older, Tifa gained her own set of friends who weren't particularly fond of Cloud and so slowly, the friendship suffered until Cloud was essentially left behind by the only person who bore any semblance of a friend to him. Of course, this friendship likely wasn't purposely or consciously severed by Tifa--she's, by nature, a sweet person, methinks. It's just one of those things that happens as you're living life. You're best friends with one person and you see it lasting forever, but then years pass and suddenly you're like strangers to each other. You don't know how it happened, but it did.

SOO! On the night that Cloud asked Tifa to meet him by the well, it could be see as a sort of final attempt to reconnect with someone he had valued as a friend. Maybe it hadn't necessarily had anything to do with a crush so much as it was about someone missing the friendship they once had with someone else. I mean, of course, the crush element can still work, but I'm so in love with the idea that the basis of their relationship is a friendship long lost.

Now picture little Cloud singing, "Do You Wanna Build A Snowman" to Tifa aaaah!!

"We used to be best buddies. And now we're not. I wish you would tell me whyyyyyy!"

Okay, I'm done, thanks everyone, you've been great.
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Old 06/06/2017   #1147
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I think you're over thinking it a little. "We knew each other when we were little" is usually enough to justify the "childhood friends" description for Japanese folk.

Dashell wrote: https://twitter.com/FF_NewsRoom/stat...981952/photo/1

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Is Tifa supposed to be in the picture too? I'm only seeing Aerith.
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Old 06/06/2017   #1148
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Lol, yeah, I have a tendency to do just that.

But then, that's part of the fun, eh?
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Old 06/07/2017   #1149
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The Twilight Mexican wrote: Is Tifa supposed to be in the picture too? I'm only seeing Aerith.
She's eating cake in a separate picture to the right of Aerith. Don't know why she isn't showing for you though.

Also more Aerti proofz!

Seriously, I was dreading that someone would come along and post about the Airborne Brigade June bridal event. I'm just glad that it was to highlight the Aerti, thanks Dashell
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Old 06/07/2017   #1150
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Well I guess that settles it then.
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Old 06/07/2017   #1151
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The Twilight Mexican wrote:
Dashell wrote: https://twitter.com/FF_NewsRoom/stat...981952/photo/1

Everyone was wrong, Ariti is canon, everybody go home
Is Tifa supposed to be in the picture too? I'm only seeing Aerith.
Mobile only seems to show one picture at a time (one with Aerith and one with Tifa), so that might be it.
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Old 06/07/2017   #1152
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Old 06/07/2017   #1153
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Old 06/07/2017   #1154
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I'm anti-ship in this situation because frankly Cloud is a disaster waiting to happen. Between his complexes in VII and AC, he's just not exactly the most stable person to have a relationship with. I also feel like the motivations for falling in love with him are really flimsy. Both Tifa and Aerith project a lot onto someone that is essentially a total stranger, and someone who as far as the original narrative goes, doesn't exactly open up. Tifa is holding onto the idea of a Cloud that could be her hero, and Aerith is fixated on how similar Cloud is to Zack. Neither actually know him that well.

I mean, he's handsome, sure, and he's somewhat heroic, but I just don't see a lot to fall in love with by his own merits. I'd sooner ship the girls with each other given how flimsy their interests are, and that says something given I'm a gay male.
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Old 06/07/2017   #1155
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ChipNoir wrote: I'm anti-ship in this situation because frankly Cloud is a disaster waiting to happen. Between his complexes in VII and AC, he's just not exactly the most stable person to have a relationship with. I also feel like the motivations for falling in love with him are really flimsy. Both Tifa and Aerith project a lot onto someone that is essentially a total stranger, and someone who as far as the original narrative goes, doesn't exactly open up. Tifa is holding onto the idea of a Cloud that could be her hero, and Aerith is fixated on how similar Cloud is to Zack. Neither actually know him that well.

I mean, he's handsome, sure, and he's somewhat heroic, but I just don't see a lot to fall in love with by his own merits. I'd sooner ship the girls with each other given how flimsy their interests are, and that says something given I'm a gay male.
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