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Final Fantasy Tactics All of the Final Fantasy-based tactical role-playing games.

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Old 10/06/2010   #16
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mr_ite wrote: Also, why are we having two discussions about this?
The other is more about the Lucavi and how they were going to leave Murond, but it's definitely a related topic.

ForceStealer wrote: Honestly its not any clearer than FF7's ending was with regard to to the welfare of the characters.
I'd say it's not any less unclear. I always thought VII's ending left the impression that everyone survived -- and I don't mean the laughter of children after the credits either.

Unless Nanaki suddenly gained the ability to pilot an otherwise unmanned Highwind, everybody was probably okay.
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Old 10/07/2010   #17
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FFVII's ending was completely different. The survival of the human characters was a huge part of the story's final act. The moment that they put the welfare of the Planet before humanity's survival is the emotional climax of the story. What happens to them when Holy does its thing is deliciously ambiguous and incites philisophical analysis. I have no beef with the ending of FFVII.

Tactics had a different story, one that involved the prevention of Ajora's return so that there would be peace in the land. I expected peace at the end. And there was, kind of, but I didn't get to see it. And everyone except Ramza and Alma died, so I pretty much don't care about the peaceful land anymore.

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Old 10/07/2010   #18
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mr_ite wrote: Tactics had a different story, one that involved the prevention of Ajora's return so that there would be peace in the land. I expected peace at the end. And there was, kind of, but I didn't get to see it. And everyone except Ramza and Alma died, so I pretty much don't care about the peaceful land anymore.
I think FFT tried to tell us that true self-sacrificing heroes don't always get all the fame, glory and happily ever after that many strive for. Ramza and the party did what they did just because it was the right thing to do

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Old 10/07/2010   #19
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Sigbru wrote: I think FFT tried to tell us that true self-sacrificing heroes don't always get all the fame, glory and happily ever after that many strive for. Ramza and the party did what they did just because it was the right thing to do
^ QFT

This was the reason that I loved FFT so much - because the heroes don't get any credit, and it sucks and it's totally unfair and yet it so accurately reflects what often happens in real life.

Like Sigbru said, there was no glory in FFT, no riches or fame; there was just a protagonist who was determined to do what was right rather than what was easy (I can hear Dumbledore saying we all must choose between what is right and what is easy in my head as I type this XD). It's what makes Ramza such a true hero.

Edit: And since when is everyone besides Ramza and Alma definitely dead? Unless my memory's totally gone to shit, the fate of the other characters was left totally ambiguous.
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Old 10/07/2010   #20
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YACCBS wrote: Edit: And since when is everyone besides Ramza and Alma definitely dead? Unless my memory's totally gone to shit, the fate of the other characters was left totally ambiguous.
Agreed. If anything, the notion that Alma and Ramza survived lends itself to the idea that the others survived too.
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Old 10/07/2010   #21
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Ariadne wrote: Agreed. If anything, the notion that Alma and Ramza survived lends itself to the idea that the others survived too.
Well, in War of the Lions there's an extra scene where Agrias gives Ovelia her knife to protect herself and promises to come back to her side when she and Ramza are done putting an end to the Lucavi's plot all the while declaring her love for Ovelia also lends itself to the idea that Agrias may have been killed while fighting Ultima especially since Ovelia uses the very same knife to stab Delita.

Though the lack of other characters in the ending could also mean that everybody else has gone into hiding/live out the rest of their life in obscurity and that Agrias could've of done the same as they did, but Agrias gave her word that she'd come back to Ovelia when all the fighting was over and Agrias is not the type to go back on her word. But then again, we're not really certain on how much time has passed between Ultima's defeat and Ovelia stabbing Delita, so...


You know what, I'm pretty ambivalent towards whether or not everyone survives -- I'd like to think so, but in the case of everyone dying adds a sense of realism and I like that too. Also, I'm not sure if I should spoiler tag the extra scenes in WotL or not.
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Old 10/07/2010   #22
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All fair points. To which I have no real rebut.
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Old 05/05/2013   #23
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You know that everyone save Ramza and Alma are optional party members right? You decline everyone's request to join your party. They didn't show them for the same reason they didn't show Vincent and Yuffie.
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