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tibiquera · 05/05/2011

Ok, I was over-simplifying things. I meant after all "personal struggles" had been resolved, it was pretty straight-forward. Kill Barthandelus because he's evil kind of thing.

I'm just curious if there was a more compelling story behind it. You know, like when you watch a movie for the second time and understand parts you didn't the first time.

**ForceStealer** · 05/05/2011

tibiquera wrote: I meant after all "personal struggles" had been resolved, it was pretty straight-forward. Kill Barthandelus because he's evil kind of thing.

I don't mean to be difficult....but didn't you just describe every Final Fantasy game? After all the personal struggles are resolved, what do you do in any FF game apart from storm the baddie's place and kill him?

Splintered · 05/05/2011

tibiquera wrote: Ok, I was over-simplifying things. I meant after all "personal struggles" had been resolved, it was pretty straight-forward. Kill Barthandelus because he's evil kind of thing.

I'm just curious if there was a more compelling story behind it. You know, like when you watch a movie for the second time and understand parts you didn't the first time.

Personal struggles don't get resolved until more than halfway through the game. :X Fang's doesn't really get resolved until The end.

You mean like overarching theme?

Erm, I guess in my personal opinion: environmentalism as VII, love as VIII, mortality as IX, religious theocracy as X, and nuclear deterrence as XII.

I would maybe put down XIII as heavily inspired on the War on Terror? Stop looking at me like that, hear me out.

The entire game we are bombarded that as much as the fal'cie are to blame for causing a lot of shit, the population of Cocoon didn't just allow to happen, they demanded it.

The first time you hear it is in a newscast where an overwhelming poll accepted the purge, you hear it in Nautilus when people just want to purge an entire city for having been near a L'cie, Dysley mentions it. And Yaag Rosch endlessly wanes on about it and you can't get him too shut up.

Basically, it's the problem when you've got widespread paranoia and hysteria on a subject people don't understand, but are willing to give the government overwhelming power to take steps that eventually hurt the people themselves.

If there were ever advice that would have fixed a good portion of the game it would be, "calm the fuck down"

Other than that? There are other things, mostly inherently found in other games.

-government dependency. You get a lot of monologues, especially in the beginning, on just how much advice and support fal'cie gives them, including light, food, and probably wiping their ass
- Freedom of choice (ironic that they did everything Dysley wanted them to do, but because they had the will to do it on their own terms- they were free. Too bad this point was so convoluted, it led to the worst shitfest of an ending). Ties into human self determination
-Theocracy- apparently Cocoon is. Awkwardly done though, X's did it better
-xenophobia
- inability to properly cope with trauma.
- Also all the other self-struggles of the party members. Running away without confronting the issue, giving up, projecting anger to someone else, willingness to do whatever it takes to keep someone safe- even at the expense of other people's lives, denial.

I don't see how you can separate the character's issues from the theme of the game. What would VII be without Cloud's issues, or Tifa's insecurities, or Barret's anger, or Aerith's ancestry?

EDIT;

lol.

Did you just come to troll this thread because of Username?

*slow clap*

**ForceStealer** · 05/05/2011

Splintered, if you're a girl, will you marry me?

Otherwise...just come over and hang out

tibiquera · 05/05/2011

Thanks Splintered, that's what I was looking for.

When I was playing the game I thought they were touch xenophobia like they did in X, but it doesn't quite get there.

Splintered wrote: EDIT;

lol.

Did you just come to troll this thread because of Username?

*slow clap*

Initially yes, but then I suddenly got curious if it was my fault that I didn't get the point of the story or if the story was just bad.

~~Madame Mayor~~ · 05/06/2011

Vash the Stampede wrote: Splintered, if you're a girl, will you marry me?

Otherwise...just come over and hang out

It's the biggest mystery of these forums.

Will we ever discover the truth? Who knows.

Kikyou · 05/06/2011

Take off Splintered's pants and then we'll find out.

Mr. Ite · 05/08/2011

Dudes... this game is pretty bad...

And it's such a shame, because as a first draft the story has a lot of potential. There's some really awesome stuff in here, but boy oh boy...

edit: at final battle and my opinion stands.

Splintered · 05/08/2011

The ending is the worst part in the entire game.

Avalanche87 · 09/21/2016

Hi all. (now that I've got the right thread)

I'm generally quite late to the party so to speak, sooooo I've just started FFXIII I'm about 4 hours in aaaaaand so far, I'm pretty happy.... totally blown away by the clips! I enjoyed the opening sequence, I'm enjoying how the party has come together and so forth. The lore and stuff is a little tricky to follow so far, but I'm sure it will develop the more time I spend in it all.

I LOOOOOOVE the little chocobo chick in the dude's afro! SO FUNNY!!!

Although, I really don't know what's going on with Vanille's voice... is she almost trying to sound Australian some times?

Everyone bags the hell out of FFXIII, but me, I always try to see the upside in things

Peace

Tetsujin · 09/21/2016

Although, I really don't know what's going on with Vanille's voice... is she almost trying to sound Australian some times?

Her VA is legitimately Australian.

JechtShotMK9 · 09/21/2016

I liked XIII (GASP SHOCK I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SAID THAT)
I mean, it has it's problems. Vanille's VA is a bit....awkward, especially if someone else is in the room, lol. I'm not a big fan of all the side quests being in one area of the game, nor of that side quest basically being a dumbed down version of XII's. I don't mind the linearity as much as some (the games are all linear, let's not kid each other), the battle system is fun (it's not "press X to win" go away you're wrong), and the game is fucking gorgeous. Oh, and the music is fantastic.

I actually prefer XIII-2, but the trilogy as a whole is, in my opinion, worth playing. I'd buy a PS4 collection up in a heartbeat.

***Lex*** · 06/14/2018

I was just reminded of this absolute gem:

YouTube Video

Fangu · 06/14/2018

LEONAAAAA <333333

looneymoon · 06/14/2018

I don't even remember 90% FF13s plot, but that Leona Lewis song still makes me cry about lesbians.

Wait, wasn't there a scene in 13 where someone starts crying over some shit in a past life they don't recall exactly? That's me and FF13.

05/05/2011	#1832
ForceStealer Super Moderator Great Old One Double Growth Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 34 Sex: Male AKA: Ramza Beoulve, Sonic the Hedgehog, Vash the Stampede	tibiquera wrote: I meant after all "personal struggles" had been resolved, it was pretty straight-forward. Kill Barthandelus because he's evil kind of thing. I don't mean to be difficult....but didn't you just describe every Final Fantasy game? After all the personal struggles are resolved, what do you do in any FF game apart from storm the baddie's place and kill him? __________________ hitoshura wrote: Don't belittle my peoples, bitch. We work hard and we do what we're told. And might possibly be Scottish. ultima espio wrote: I'm not sure if it was a BOMB, it could have been MAKO, KING, BEST, or ORBS.

05/05/2011	#1833
Splintered Elite Member unsavory tart Join Date: Jun 2009	tibiquera wrote: Ok, I was over-simplifying things. I meant after all "personal struggles" had been resolved, it was pretty straight-forward. Kill Barthandelus because he's evil kind of thing. I'm just curious if there was a more compelling story behind it. You know, like when you watch a movie for the second time and understand parts you didn't the first time. Personal struggles don't get resolved until more than halfway through the game. :X Fang's doesn't really get resolved until The end. You mean like overarching theme? Erm, I guess in my personal opinion: environmentalism as VII, love as VIII, mortality as IX, religious theocracy as X, and nuclear deterrence as XII. I would maybe put down XIII as heavily inspired on the War on Terror? Stop looking at me like that, hear me out. The entire game we are bombarded that as much as the fal'cie are to blame for causing a lot of shit, the population of Cocoon didn't just allow to happen, they demanded it. The first time you hear it is in a newscast where an overwhelming poll accepted the purge, you hear it in Nautilus when people just want to purge an entire city for having been near a L'cie, Dysley mentions it. And Yaag Rosch endlessly wanes on about it and you can't get him too shut up. Basically, it's the problem when you've got widespread paranoia and hysteria on a subject people don't understand, but are willing to give the government overwhelming power to take steps that eventually hurt the people themselves. If there were ever advice that would have fixed a good portion of the game it would be, "calm the fuck down" Other than that? There are other things, mostly inherently found in other games. -government dependency. You get a lot of monologues, especially in the beginning, on just how much advice and support fal'cie gives them, including light, food, and probably wiping their ass - Freedom of choice (ironic that they did everything Dysley wanted them to do, but because they had the will to do it on their own terms- they were free. Too bad this point was so convoluted, it led to the worst shitfest of an ending). Ties into human self determination -Theocracy- apparently Cocoon is. Awkwardly done though, X's did it better -xenophobia - inability to properly cope with trauma. - Also all the other self-struggles of the party members. Running away without confronting the issue, giving up, projecting anger to someone else, willingness to do whatever it takes to keep someone safe- even at the expense of other people's lives, denial. I don't see how you can separate the character's issues from the theme of the game. What would VII be without Cloud's issues, or Tifa's insecurities, or Barret's anger, or Aerith's ancestry? EDIT; lol. Did you just come to troll this thread because of Username? slow clap __________________ Last edited by Splintered; 05/05/2011 at 12:45 PM.

05/05/2011	#1834
ForceStealer Super Moderator Great Old One Double Growth Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 34 Sex: Male AKA: Ramza Beoulve, Sonic the Hedgehog, Vash the Stampede	Splintered, if you're a girl, will you marry me? Otherwise...just come over and hang out __________________ hitoshura wrote: Don't belittle my peoples, bitch. We work hard and we do what we're told. And might possibly be Scottish. ultima espio wrote: I'm not sure if it was a BOMB, it could have been MAKO, KING, BEST, or ORBS.

05/05/2011	#1835
tibiquera Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Canada	Thanks Splintered, that's what I was looking for. When I was playing the game I thought they were touch xenophobia like they did in X, but it doesn't quite get there. Splintered wrote: EDIT; lol. Did you just come to troll this thread because of Username? slow clap Initially yes, but then I suddenly got curious if it was my fault that I didn't get the point of the story or if the story was just bad.

05/06/2011	#1836
~~Madame Mayor~~ Elite Member Banned Join Date: Nov 2008	Vash the Stampede wrote: Splintered, if you're a girl, will you marry me? Otherwise...just come over and hang out It's the biggest mystery of these forums. Will we ever discover the truth? Who knows.

05/05/2011	#1831
tibiquera Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Canada	Ok, I was over-simplifying things. I meant after all "personal struggles" had been resolved, it was pretty straight-forward. Kill Barthandelus because he's evil kind of thing. I'm just curious if there was a more compelling story behind it. You know, like when you watch a movie for the second time and understand parts you didn't the first time.

05/06/2011	#1837
Kikyou Epic Member just a fleeting memory Join Date: Aug 2009 Sex: with carla Location: i travel AKA: M-Mira, crackitlackin, Izaya Orihara, SAILOR NARU, Sharon Rainsworth, Mara, Brosuke Hanamura, Commissioner Gordon, Santa Claus, Lenneth Valkyrie	Take off Splintered's pants and then we'll find out. __________________

05/08/2011	#1838
Mr. Ite Ascended Member Infradian Canadian Join Date: Apr 2010 AKA: Mr. Ite	Dudes... this game is pretty bad... And it's such a shame, because as a first draft the story has a lot of potential. There's some really awesome stuff in here, but boy oh boy... edit: at final battle and my opinion stands. Last edited by Mr. Ite; 05/08/2011 at 12:01 PM.

05/08/2011	#1839
Splintered Elite Member unsavory tart Join Date: Jun 2009	The ending is the worst part in the entire game. __________________ Last edited by Splintered; 05/08/2011 at 01:11 PM.

09/21/2016	#1840
Avalanche87 Full Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Age: 35 Sex: M Location: Geelong, Victoria, Australia AKA: Bakito/Marak/DJMarak	Hi all. (now that I've got the right thread) I'm generally quite late to the party so to speak, sooooo I've just started FFXIII I'm about 4 hours in aaaaaand so far, I'm pretty happy.... totally blown away by the clips! I enjoyed the opening sequence, I'm enjoying how the party has come together and so forth. The lore and stuff is a little tricky to follow so far, but I'm sure it will develop the more time I spend in it all. I LOOOOOOVE the little chocobo chick in the dude's afro! SO FUNNY!!! Although, I really don't know what's going on with Vanille's voice... is she almost trying to sound Australian some times? Everyone bags the hell out of FFXIII, but me, I always try to see the upside in things Peace

09/21/2016	#1841
Tetsujin Great Old One IronDude Join Date: Nov 2008	Although, I really don't know what's going on with Vanille's voice... is she almost trying to sound Australian some times? Her VA is legitimately Australian.

09/21/2016	#1842
JechtShotMK9 Epic Member The Sublimely Magnificent One Join Date: Dec 2015 Sex: Male Location: Somewhere inside Sin AKA: Kamiccolo9	I liked XIII (GASP SHOCK I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SAID THAT) I mean, it has it's problems. Vanille's VA is a bit....awkward, especially if someone else is in the room, lol. I'm not a big fan of all the side quests being in one area of the game, nor of that side quest basically being a dumbed down version of XII's. I don't mind the linearity as much as some (the games are all linear, let's not kid each other), the battle system is fun (it's not "press X to win" go away you're wrong), and the game is fucking gorgeous. Oh, and the music is fantastic. I actually prefer XIII-2, but the trilogy as a whole is, in my opinion, worth playing. I'd buy a PS4 collection up in a heartbeat.

06/14/2018	#1844
Fangu Staff Emeritus Great Old One Donator Join Date: Oct 2011 Age: 40 AKA: Fanguuuuu	LEONAAAAA <333333 __________________ Quotes and shit Progress!

06/14/2018	#1845
looneymoon Legendary Member hedgehog pandacat Join Date: Dec 2008 Age: 31 Sex: female Location: white whale holy grail AKA: looneymoon, Liz Lemon, Marceline, Kanaya, Geromy, Daenerys Targaryen	I don't even remember 90% FF13s plot, but that Leona Lewis song still makes me cry about lesbians. Wait, wasn't there a scene in 13 where someone starts crying over some shit in a past life they don't recall exactly? That's me and FF13. __________________ ♦♦♦♦♦♦