The Love Triangle Debate: Another Turn in the Cycle

[Danseru-kun]

Damn that was long O_O

I've finished like half of it right now and I'm amazed how comprehensive it is.

And Tres, I'm flattered with the inclusion of some of my posts, thanks for that!

[Splintered]

I skimmed most of it, and while I haven't seen all of it, damn Tres, you are living up to being the kingpin of Cloti- or whatever they call you these days.

You even included some of the things I liked, on how Cloud and Aerith do have a special relationship and how it did have romantic attraction in it- thus refusing to undermine their relationship but showing how it does not intrude on CloudxTifa. And challenging the omgTifaisaBitch theories that pop up anytime people feel the need to discredit CxT. A healthy use of sarcasm while shitting on stupid theories like omghetouchedher! while not discrediting things like the Tactics cameos is always appreciated.

All in all, lovely.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, I like all the times you used my quotes too. That was my favorite part. :')

[The Twilight Mexican]

Well, you guys provided some truly great, insightful quotes.

Seeing as I couldn't have said those things better myself, I just stole your words.

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

All right, I just started reading the new LTD analysis, and I have to say, I love the "Love Triangles are gay" and 'Abandon hope, all ye who enter here" quotes. They ring so true.

[T@ctic]

*fangirl cloti shriek*

Squall/Hawkeye you SLY DOG brilliant little guy! *noogies* im gonna read through every single luscious, proof-filled, cloud x tifa goodness and heck I'M GONNA ENJOY IT! i know it because i read through your 62 page version twice and prayed to God above for you to make another one

>.>

<.<

*ahem* what was that?

[Wolfhart]

I haven't finished reading it yet... If it's tiring to read it, I can't imagine how tiring it was to write it... I admire you for your dedication and patience!

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

I've now read the entire thing. I'll admit I skimmed some parts, but only things like Japanese text, sources I've seen before(including Ultimania passages, in-game text, etc.), Claims I've read before, etc. I learned nothing new in regards to the love triangle, but I still learned new things, such as the fact that Steiner has apparently defeated Beatrix before, Vaan and Penelo were already in a relationship in FFXII, and the fact that Tifa and Aerith apparently got bikini outfits in Airborne Brigade(which they should totally include in a future game btw). I also learned stuff about games I've never played before, such as Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Dragon Quest V, and Fortune Street Special.

[Goodbye Charlie]

"I do believe this, though: You won’t find someone with no opinion on the LTD actually discussing the matter at length. Not only because it takes a vested interest in the first place, but because it’s impossible.

Anyone analyzing data and drawing conclusions from it, even if they began as neutral, no longer is by the end of the process. This is as true of researchers making employ of the scientific method as it is of scholars conducting media analysis."

Well I declare myself totally neutral, which leaves me to demand a Love Triangle Debate Debate or a LTDD as I call it. I believe I am neutral or a "newt". I will create shambolic evidence and misquote Mako till I'm blue/pink in the face.

To be honest I think there's some truth in this - particularly the second paragraph. I find my like for Tifa and Aeris is balanced FROM the debate having been forced to analyse their good and bad sides. People who say why debate, to some degree, its about reinforcing or challenging what you think than the misguided consideration you'll change others.

[robotwarui]

still working on it.
really appreciate the thoroughness and then of course what all had to go into that.
i'm learning stuff too

[T@ctic]

^

yeah really. thanks a ton bro. man im so happy right now. i knew i was in for a good one and so i literally popped some popcorn and ate it whilst happily reading the analysis, no joke. almost done with the "puppet" thing and i must say, some new stuff i never figgered. like how the parents of denzel and all that, plus TCAAR (ok that may be confusing, "the children are all right") is GROOOOOOOOOOUND BREAKING proof. i mean - WOW. cloud readily talking about family in public, and gladly supporting a new budding couple (and family) and in a way, leading them on with help, i mean THIS IS IT. S/E HAS OFFICIALLY SAID CLOUDXTIFA IS CANON. i mean its so 99.99.99.99.99.99.99.99.-% near to the truth. that must be one of my favorite - if not one of my favorite - solid, nobody-can-say-a-dang-thing-otherwise-about-it- proofs in all of the cloti universe.

and you know the thing? we dont even need to get into that. i ordered the VII collection set from amazon and i brushed pass this review:

(SPOILER)

(http://www.amazon.com/review/R32C2O5...tore=movies-tv)

I just saw this DVD today and wow it was one of the best CGI animation movie I have seen in a while...with great graphics and a pretty good story line.

I was never much into the Final Fantasy RPG games but heard that it is a popular series. This movie kinda got me into doing research on all the characters from the game...lol

It wasnt just the A+ graphics that made to movie great but the characters development and story line, which was better than your average animation. I mean Final Fantasy The Spirits Within (same company?) had great CGI animation but was such a snore fest.

There were some reviewers that gave this movie a one star stating that it had no plot...these people have to keep in mind that this is a continuation of the story 2 years after the game's ending.

I think the writers made the right approach in not explaining about all the characters in detail, which would make the movie alot longer and probably a little boring. They made both the main guy and girl characters interesting,and I'm pretty sure there are more back stories behind the quieter/non-action scenes between the two. But if you want to know more about them and the other characters, just do an Internet search like I did or look at the console game cut scenes themselves on the DVD extra sections.

This movie is added to my favorite list of animated movies next to such titles as The Incredibles, Ghost in the Shell, Princess Mononoke, and Appleseed.

as you can see he knows next to 1% about the game and yet he briefly noted the relationship of "the main guy and girl". it had absolutely nothing to do with how good the movie is, and still he felt he should have noted it. not only that, he used strong, earnest language to support his idea (he's "pretty sure").


just a review, just a random person who doesnt even know im quoting him this second, but still. im sure if he saw both of your articles he'd snap his fingers and go "By golly I was right!"

(was trying to find a way to approach this, and thought it'd be cool if i put it here.)

just a few things to note (but mind you ive only seen a tad bit so far!). the video similarity of the highwind scene, i actually burst out laughing. because i had actually had come to know of this scene just within last week, probably 3 days ago. (it was....rather awkward how i found it. i was searching up "ltd debate" on scroogle and...erm...this came up. >.< {http://home.eyesonff.com/archive/t-143446.html}) anyway someone noted the scene and i searched it up and found that some of the lines the guy says seemed just like tifa's ("As long as you're by my side....."). then you go and say its supposed to be like that you old silly

also i would i have liked it if in your introduction to make a firm note of the ltd not an important view of the entirety of the game, despite its irony of it being one of (if not the) most heated debates in global history. i have never thought this at all, not even in the least, but in such an article, i feel it should be noted so there isnt any confusion on the ltd in general.

besides, going 100% great!

keep it up, and hope you have more to write later on!

(wow i so didnt intend it to be long like this my apologies.)

*dives back in Dilly Dally Shilly Shally (cool title btw!) with heated eagerness*

[Dashell]

Can we by chance let Vendel back into the LTD thread? I know he wants to discuss some of this and I just kinda yelled at him and now I feel bad

It might get some actual discussion going besides "wow thanks Tres"...


not that wow thanks Tres isn't totally awesome but

[T@ctic]

Quexinos wrote:

Can we by chance let Vendel back into the LTD thread?

waaaaat hes gone? omg i love vendel :( from my readings of his posts on the LTD debate pages hes a really awesome super cloti. i would be honored to talk to him :D

[OneWingedDemon]

I don't think a member who was used as the token "rabid" Cloti in order to make some ppl look like good, neutral seekers of truth would like to come back.

Good write up though.

[Danseru-kun]

Hey I thought of something to ask, I may have missed this in the article but how much is Sakaguchi's involvement? Some are dubious of the Compilation's validation of Cloti as Sakaguchi isn't involved anymore and he's somewhat a key figure. What do you guys think of this?

[The Man]

Vendel was banned from the LTD for the same reason he was banned from the politics section (a section where his banning certainly does not make us look unbiased): a lengthy and consistent history of flaming and trolling that easily dwarfs that of every other member on the forum with the sole exception of Scott Laird, who is unlikely ever to be unbanned. Vendel has the unique distinction of having incurred more infractions here than any other member in the history of this forum, and he is incredibly lucky that he was not permanently banned from the entire forum. Staff are unanimously agreed that his next offence will earn him a permaban.

And yes, he has repeatedly asked to be unbanned from the LTD. Staff are discussing it, but have yet to come to a consensus about what to do.

This is horrendously off-topic, which is something the rules of this thread explicitly prohibit, so if you have any further moderation-related discussion, take it to Feedback.