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Old 06/15/2012   #1
The Man
Default Putting the bullshit behind us

And I'm referring to my own bullshit as much as everyone else's.

First of all I am going to post a very garbled thing I said on MSN, but this applies to everyone I did not address it to as well as many I did.

Aaron: first of all
Aaron: i have probably said things that pissed a lot of people off a lot
Aaron: in the past
Aaron: and that is probably because i have overreacted hideously to things, particularly before i realised i was depressed
Aaron: i have probably been at least somewhat depressed for, idk, three years
Aaron: since 2008 even
Mako: yeah, I can at least personally attest to that
Aaron: but i didnt really realise it until a couple of weeks ago
Aaron: and i didnt realise how badly it was clouding my judgement either
Aaron: so in other words
Aaron: i took things probably way more personally than i should have
Aaron: (btw someone should definitely copy and paste this to omega because this definitely applies to his joke about my workplace, which I *didn't even realise was a joke*)
Aaron: i'm in therapy now
Aaron: and i'm reading books about how depression clouds thinking and how to get over it
Aaron: but i'm thinking about disappearing for a few weeks after all this clouds up as well
So yeah, I'm just going to reiterate this to everyone who wasn't in the conversation as well. There is a good chance I have misinterpreted you and said things you did not deserve. I apologise.

Honestly, I wanted to post something like this a long, long time ago. I really did. As far back as December, in fact (though I did not recognise how badly my depression was warping my thinking until very recently). But I had two concerns:
  1. I didn't think it would do any good. (Depressed).
  2. I had no way of knowing whether I would relapse into the same behaviour (probably; depression), which would make the apology seem insincere and meaningless.
But, as stated, I'm in therapy now. I think I am at the point where I can mostly put this kind of bullshit behind me. I am at least at the point where I have begun to recognise the kind of paranoid, irrational thinking that got me into this depression in the first place, and make a concerted effort at fixing it.

Again; I am sorry.

Now:

A shitload of us - Dacon, Serah, Mako, Brooke, Alex, Adri, Road, CK, Zee, Ryu, Kat, and I think Kripey had a giant msn conversation.

What we found is that, off the forum, we could actually talk. Not just talk, but as if none of this drama had ever happened in the first place.

That is, I believe, the giant secret. Forums are not a comfortable atmosphere for certain kinds of communication. You are not face-to-face. You get drawn into overanalysing what people say, rather than just asking them. It is much easier to take offence.

And so what should be small problems turn into giant ones. People take offence and are less likely to apologise for things they, in turn, do to perceived offences. (I know; I've done it repeatedly myself). They develop resentments, these resentments fester, and the festering makes it even less likely that people will actually set their disagreements aside and talk.

This can't go on anymore. We have to start talking more.

We, as a staff, already made a decision to try talking with our user base more three months ago after the last staff review. We have PMed everyone who sent us post reports informing them that the report had been received and what was being done about it. But obviously this wasn't anywhere near enough.

I am personally going to see to it that this changes.

I realise people probably still have things to say about recent occurrences on the board. That's fine. I don't expect this to be the last word. But I do expect people to actually talk. I've known most of you for years, and the ones I haven't I've been around long enough to get some feel for what kind of people you are. None of you are unreasonable or objectionable people. Everyone on this board should be able to get along if they really get to know each other. You may need to start making some small changes to your behaviour to stop offending each other - but that's fine. The important thing is that when people have issues, they need to talk them out.

I can't promise I'll be around for the next couple of weeks after this all dies down - I've got some serious soul-searching I need to do. But when I return, I will be glad to do whatever I can to mediate any disputes with members I can assist with. I am going to encourage the rest of staff to do likewise. We all need to talk directly. MSN, Skype, Google Chat, Facebook, even PMs - whatever. Most of this crap occurred because no one ever communicated with the people who had offended them.

If anyone has any questions for me personally, feel free to contact me on MSN, AIM, or wherever. I probably won't be on the computer as much, but I likely won't disappear completely.

I really hate what happened to this board - I mean, what the fuck, we all used to be friends, right? We should be able to be friends again. Let's at least give it a try, please?
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Old 06/15/2012   #2
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I said I was going to go to sleep, but I thought of a couple of things while I was trying to get to sleep:
  1. A large number of problems, possibly all the major drama in the last couple of years, have been made worse by staff assuming that it needs to resolve issues with infractions and warnings. Obviously this is absurdly limiting thinking and all of us, perhaps especially myself, have seen our performance as staff suffer from it.

    That said, when a post is reported, we have tended to read it as being a request for some sort of infraction or warning. Obviously that is an assumption we should not continue making, but in the future, it would probably nonetheless be helpful if, when reporting a post simply because you have a dispute you want resolved, you make a note in the post report that you are not expecting an infraction or warning to be issued. In many cases this should probably be obvious, but I doubt it can hurt to help us out a little.

  2. A large number of problems seem to erupt from each side being unable to assume good faith on the other side's part. I'm not sure if this is just because we have felt offended at some perceived slight in the past, or because of some other factor I'm too tired to think about right now. Why doesn't really matter.

    We need to stop doing this, too. By "we" I'm not referring to staff like I often do when I use that word - I mean "we" as a board. Our whole board culture seems to have an underlying cynicism to it, which is fine. There is much to be cynical about in the world. But do we really have to be cynical about each other, too? I'm not saying we all need to hold hands and sing Kum-ba-ya, but we should at least try to resolve our disputes before harbouring grudges.

    I'll admit that I'm terrible about this, myself. If someone does something to offend me without what seems to me appropriate provocation, and is completely unrepentant about it, I am capable of holding a grudge for years. But, on the other hand, usually all it takes to resolve the problem is a sincere apology.

    Again, I think this is one place where the right kind of post reports can probably help - if you really do think a member has been exhibiting bad faith, it's probably time to get the mods involved. But the appropriate response may not necessary be to give the person involved an infraction. I think too long we've forgotten what moderator means. It's supposed to mean a person who moderates disputes. It's probably time we started doing more of that.
Ok now I'm really going to bed (unless I think of something else that should be mentioned here).
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“When I was twelve, I milked my eel into a pot of turtle stew.
I flogged the one-eyed snake, I skinned my sausage, I made
the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after
century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” -William Blake
“Yeah, you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. ‘You know, when I’m done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian government that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched! That’s why I drink Orange Drink.’” -Bill Hicks








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Old 06/15/2012   #3
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Fuck Kum-ba-ya.

Hakuna Matata bitches.
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Old 06/15/2012   #4
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Goliath wrote: Hakuna Matata
What a wonderful phrase
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Old 06/15/2012   #5
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Believe it or not I would love to believe that we can put all this recent drama behind us but after two staff review threads and countless drama threads the only thing I see changing on the forum is that fact that more and more members are becoming unhappy.

I’m willing to try and put the effort in and not stir up as much drama but tbh If this is going to work I think severe changes need to happen within staff and It shouldn’t always run down to 3 members of staff arguing that people who voice their concerns are merely inciting drama and are biased in their own personal views.

So yeah.

Hope things actually DO change for once.
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Old 06/15/2012   #6
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I woke up, I read some threads. I didn't talk to anyone about this before typing this up, just so we're clear. This is coming from me alone.

People keep jokingly call TLS ACF, and you know what - as I see it now, this forum (including staff) has some long term members who's been her forever who see this place as their turf. So, fine, you guys stop communicating, and shit goes down - and you all have a nice long chat and patch it up.

You probably expect me to say HALLELUJAH! now, since I am St. Fangu and I believe I can cast Holy, and yes, I think it's awesome that you're working your stuff out.

However.

We newer members don't 'jump in' into your conflicts for shit stirring, or betterknowing, or taking side or whatever. (I'm not saying anyone said that, I'm saying that judging by the comebacks I've had to some of my (and others) posts, we are simply not welcome at all into the debate.) We do it because we get affected by whatever happens on the forum, and we want to weigh in because we as members of the community, feel we should - and we care! When someone gives the impression of being really hurt, well yes, there's an instinct in me to try to mediate with my POV, if I feel what I'm thinking hasn't been said in the debate.

So please don't be surprised when newer members weighs in on disputes. And we have a right. Why? Because it clogs up the forum and makes the atmosphere in here very bad. This forum is open publicly for anyone to register. If you don't want it that way, then make it a closed forum?

Seeing the names who got together in that chat, and sorta rethinking my last months here, rethinking the comments I've had to some of my posts, and also rethinking the post I wrote that got reported, I've come to realize that to the older members I haven't chatted with elsewhere than TLS, I am just another newbie, and the things I say or do won't really be appreciated or taken into consideration. I'll just be 'bzzz fly go away'.

Neither do you seem to want to get to know me. I remember I was at work once and I got a group call from someone on Skype, I saw there was 3 people I haven't spoken to yet and I got excited - only to seee the call being hung up (twice!) saying 'oops, that was a mistake'. Which makes me think you don't want to get to know anyone outside your circle either. That goes for people some might consider to be on 'my side' as well. People sit on their opposite hills and glare at each other. They make up opinions about each other which to some extent is true, only you're just seeing 15% of their personalities.

I'm not throwing in threats, but it does make me rethink all the nice plans I've had for the site. Why should I bother spending hours and hours on stuff that I want anyone to enjoy, only to feel I am making it for a private club?

The focus on member recruitment is necessary for TLS to be a successful resource site as well. Whatever goes on in this forum affects the whole site.

I don't expect any feedback on this, I just felt like it needed to be put out there. And once again, I am only speaking for myself.
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2013
TLS Lifetime Achievement Award (3rd), Best Site Contributor (3rd), Hottest Female, Biggest Non-FF Geek (3rd), Most in Need of Daylight (2nd), Member You'd Most Like to Meet in Real Life, Member You'd Most Like to Bone (2nd), Horniest Member (2nd), Best Drunk/Stoner (3rd), The TLS Literature Prize, Most Talented (Art, Writing, Music, Etc.) (3rd), Best Ass (3rd), Most Fervent TLSer, Most Likely to Go the Extra Mile (3rd)

2014
Member of the Year (2nd), Best Site Contributor (3rd), Hottest Female (2nd), Nicest Smile, Member You'd Most Like to Meet in Real Life, Member You'd Most Like to Bone (2nd), The Lifestream Literature Prize, Best Ass (2nd), Sexiest Voice, Best Ship/TLS OTP (3rd, Sprexanghululock), Most Fervent TLSer (3rd), Most Likely to Make the Best-Tasting Food (2nd), Most Likely to Go the Extra Mile (2nd)

2015
Member you'd most like to bone (2nd), Best Drunk/Stoner (3rd), Hottest female (3rd), Sexiest voice (3rd)

2016
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Old 06/15/2012   #7
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Hi Aaron - I just popped in to say that those were really good posts. Really REALLY good posts! They were such good posts I was hesitant about posting in this thread because they are such good posts. The only reason I am is because mine was closed and even though I was encouraged to make a new one, it seemed redundant.

I'm kind of sad I wasn't around for the MSN conversation, but unfortunately real life responsibilities and all that. I apologise in advance if I bring up something that was covered there. If anything else pertinent was said, I would request posting it here.

I'll put all my replies not directly related to this thread in the spoiler tag
responses to posts found in this thread here

Road wrote: But, we make an effort to keep each other in check. Adri should have confronted the offending staff member about it, and put him in his goddamn place. Leaking shit like that doesn't solve anything. But since it's all out in the open now, Rishi probably deserves an apology. I'm pretty sure you aren't upset with what I said in there, but I apologize anyway.
Before starting, you really have no reason to apologise at all. You've been the only mod that's been consistently on the ball with this one, as well as in the past.

I understand your point, but I disagree in the most respectable way possible. I did in fact see the parts where people who made the comments were put in line. To me that is irrelevant simply for the fact that they were made in the first place. I'm going to say the same thing I told Tennyo. My main problem is that while it's awesome that there are some really great and sympathetic people on the team, I've never really liked the idea of having someone else fight my fights for me. It's pretty awesome when people do, but I just like the opportunity to stick for myself as well.

I think you can very legitimately argue that you can't control what people say behind closed doors. That's unrealistic. People aren't going to like people and then those people will talk about it with their friends. There's no way to stop that from happening. However when it comes to talking directly on the board about board-related matters, that's something different entirely. If staff thinks I'm a bitch or a big baby or just don't like me on a personal level, then they can say whatever the hell they want outside the community. But within the context of the board, especially in a thread specifically focusing on its culture as well as the comfort of its members, that kind of shit should NOT be happening. Ever. At all. Under no circumstances is that excusable behaviour. Even if another staff member speaks up in their defense.

I'm just going to quote Aki's point just for emphasis:

Aki wrote: i think the difference is that if i mock omega or satsu or bex or something, they can see it and be like 'AKI STOP' or something whereas normal members can't just go 'HEY ROAD STOP MOCKING ME' because obviously we can't see it. i think that is probably a lot of what is making people so uncomfortable
The members should have enough trust in the staff to not have to worry about having to defend themselves against them. Not to mention they have every right to see and have input into whatever report they make. I understand that the new forum for reports is meant to enable that more - but in order for that to work, I think it order for it to be made effective you need:
a) trust in the staff
b) an overall attitude adjustment

Unfortunately, my personal trust (a) was broken when I found out that (b) was something that was so sorely necessary. Then it broke even further because you guys were, as Omega eloquently stated, playing the victim.

I sincerely hope you guys are at least understanding that now. I am at least getting that impression that you are? Once again, I don't know what went down in the MSN convo so I might be missing a lot. I think it would be nice for it to maybe be detailed a little more for those who missed out on it to see what went down.


Aaron, a few hours ago I was pretty much ready to stop posting on these boards altogether. Your post, as well as the responses I've gotten from Road, Mako, Adri, Mog and Tenny, have at least given me tentative hope about this whole ordeal. ofc there were some other people who said shit but the point still stands. I figure I'll at least stick around for a little bit to see how things change before taking the goodbye forever route.

and hey, I think it would be fine if anyone wants to use this thread (if it's okay with Aaron) for anyone who has a problem with me or anything I've done during this whole debacle (or ever really) to call me out on it. Here's your public opportunity to do it if you don't want to through PM. I was very aware of my trollish/bitchy behaviour, and I was aware I was doing it when I was doing it. I'm baffled I haven't been warned or infracted for any of tbqh.

But let me put on the record that I will not in any capacity ever apologise for making this shit public. Other than to Ryu who was unfairly put on trial (sorry again - honestly, if I could change things so that all of this could have been sorted without having to mention your name, I would). I think the public airing of shit is what was needed in order to make progress. If you have a problem with that, well, sorry but I'm not going to budge on that one.

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Old 06/15/2012   #8
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Old 06/15/2012   #9
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Claire Redfield wrote: I'm kind of sad I wasn't around for the MSN conversation, but unfortunately real life responsibilities and all that.
This is pretty much the entire convo:

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Session Start (ryushikaze@gmail.com:Group Conversation 3224547780): Thu Jun 14 22:12:48 2012 -0400
[22:12] Aaron: ok good
[22:13] Adri//Fiona: good evening
[22:13] Brent: Yeah hi to everyone
[22:13] Aaron: sup everyone
[22:13] *** Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids. has joined the conversation.
[22:13] Brent: there
[22:13] alejandro: yo
[22:13] Aaron: jsyk i'm probably not going to be on too much longer because I have work tomorrow
[22:13] Brent: I thought she was in already
[22:13] Kristen: hello
[22:13] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.:
[22:13] Serah: hi
[22:14] Aaron: and was virtually falling asleep on my feet at my friends birthday party
[22:14] Brent: I just want to get this out of the way
[22:14] Aaron: but i guess every little bit helps
[22:14] CK: woah
[22:14] Brent: Aaron no one hates you
[22:14] Aaron: ok
[22:14] Brooke: Post that didn't get into the thread before closed: "Thank you for rewording what you said"
[22:14] Aaron: ok cool
[22:14] Aaron: first of all
[22:14] Brent: While a lot of folks have been annoyed with how things have been handled
[22:14] Aaron: i have probably said things that pissed a lot of people off a lot
[22:14] Aaron: in the past
[22:14] Brent: I dont think we're that far into the schoolyard yet
[22:14] Ryushikaze: Will be largely AFK, FFUing, want that expressed ouright. Will be back when I'm done.
[22:14] Aaron: and that is probably because i have overreacted hideously to things, particularly before i realised i was depressed
[22:15] Aaron: i have probably been at least somewhat depressed for, idk, three years
[22:15] Aaron: since 2008 even
[22:15] Kefka_69: yeah, I can at least personally attest to that
[22:15] Aaron: but i didnt really realise it until a couple of weeks ago
[22:15] Aaron: and i didnt realise how badly it was clouding my judgement either
[22:15] Aaron: so in other words
[22:15] Aaron: i took things probably way more personally than i should have
[22:16] Brent: Well man
[22:16] Aaron: (btw someone should definitely copy and paste this to omega because this definitely applies to his joke about my workplace, which I *didn't even realise was a joke*)
[22:16] Brent: I dont know but if it's taking that much of a toll on you
[22:16] Brent: take some time for yourself?
[22:16] Aaron: i'm in therapy now
[22:16] Aaron: and i'm reading books about how depression clouds thinking and how to get over it
[22:16] Aaron: but i'm thinking about disappearing for a few weeks after all this clouds up as well
[22:16] Brent: I'm mean I get it
[22:16] Brent: I'm fucking getting a little too upset about this shit myself
[22:16] Aaron: tbh I rarely took what *you* said personally
[22:16] Aaron: because i know you're like that with everyone
[22:17] Aaron: and it's just part of your personality. but there were some other people where i thought it was meant personally
[22:17] Aaron: and i definitely reacted paranoiacally to them
[22:17] Adri//Fiona: regardless of what you think of me, Aaron, I was trying to make it clear that you should legitimately take time away from the forum'
[22:17] Adri//Fiona: and not trying to be "self-serving"
[22:17] Aaron: i agree there, and after this spat of drama is done i probably will
[22:17] Aaron: right
[22:17] Aaron: sorry i misinterpreted you i guess
[22:17] Adri//Fiona: and now others have told you this as well
[22:17] Aaron: but i was genuinely, seriously offended, so i guess i wasnt thinking straight
[22:18] Brent: I honestly think the shit stretches pretty far back beyond this
[22:18] Aaron: i did probably say things that probably weren't really justified back, so yeah, sorry
[22:18] Aaron: it does
[22:18] alejandro: i am here, im just waiting for an opportunity to leap in, just so we're clear and all that
[22:18] Adri//Fiona: the staff section is a bad environment for everything, tbph
[22:18] Aaron: it really is
[22:18] Aaron: especially since when someone is offended
[22:18] Aaron: they can report a post, yes
[22:18] Aaron: but then the person who is reported sees it
[22:18] Aaron: and can respond immediately
[22:18] Brent: because at one point we were all just talking and getting along fine
[22:18] Aaron: idk i guess when staff offend each other they should probably just talk to a third person ons taff
[22:18] Brent: and then it just
[22:18] Aaron: i agree
[22:18] Brent: asploded?
[22:18] Aaron: i dont know what happened
[22:18] Aaron: tbh i think a lot of us may have developed severe emotional problems at around the same time
[22:18] Aaron: never a good combination
[22:18] Brent: I just dont get at what point
[22:18] Brent: we just stopped talking?
[22:19] Aaron: i know im not the only one whos been depressed for awhile
[22:19] Aaron: idk either
[22:19] Adri//Fiona: I remember a time when I spoke to Aaron on a fairly regular basis
[22:19] Aaron: i know we all used to talk on msn basically *every freaking night*
[22:19] Brent: people started saying most of the things in staff
[22:19] Aaron: and i miss that
[22:19] Adri//Fiona: and we were cool
[22:19] Aaron: i really do
[22:19] Aaron: yeah
[22:19] Aaron: i miss that
[22:19] Brent: and just not telling anyone anything?
[22:19] Aaron: i don't know what the fuck happened
[22:19] Kristen: I thoroughly enjoyed talking to you aaron back when you frequented IRC
[22:19] Aaron: we all stopped being able to joke with each other
[22:19] Brent: also I will admit outright I am depressed and mentally unstable
[22:19] Kristen: and I did as well, I haven't been there anymore
[22:19] alejandro: i remember that the lot of us used to be pretty tight at FCF and when we were all on staff at ACF
[22:19] Adri//Fiona: look how easy it is for us to talk on here
[22:19] Aaron: that may be the problem, we all just completely lost our sense of humoru?
[22:20] Adri//Fiona: and not fling poo
[22:20] Aaron: or maybe we just need to start talking on msn again
[22:20] Aaron: idek
[22:20] Aaron: yeah
[22:20] Aaron: maybe message boards just suck
[22:20] Brent: I think
[22:20] Aaron: maybe they are a terrible place for people to talk
[22:20] Brent: that it's also that due to the medium of the forum
[22:20] Aaron: probably
[22:20] Aaron: we are so used to nit picking every little detail of how a forum is run
[22:20] Aaron: i remember this i used to do it constantly
[22:20] Aaron: and i still do it really
[22:20] Aaron: but of course i naturally have a different perspective being on staff
[22:20] Kefka_69: nuance and informality can be lost when posting on a forum, versus directly with another
[22:20] Aaron: yes
[22:20] Brent: we have a lot of asshats butting into the conversation and giving their 2 cents when they dont know the what the fuck they're talking about, and it just makes us more annoyed, and less likely to get along
[22:21] Aaron: yeah that's probably true too
[22:21] Brent: Like that bullshit in the secrets thread
[22:21] Brent: my god did that piss me off
[22:21] Kristen: I think that's definitely true, brent
[22:21] Aaron: we have been talking about moderating the secrets strictly
[22:21] Aaron: because of all the drama and shit-flinging it has spawned
[22:21] Aaron: would anyone be opposed to that?
[22:21] Brent: That and 99 percent of that shit ain't secrets
[22:21] Kristen: Sometimes the flow of a conversation gets interrupted when people come in and don't really contribute, and instead get everyone's blood boiling even more than it may have been
[22:21] Aaron: yeah
[22:21] Brent: I think it'd be best if we just like, wiped this shit clean
[22:22] Brent: and start over
[22:22] alejandro: i think i would. if anything, i reckon less rules for every aspect of the forum would be a good thing
[22:22] Aaron: i would be down with that if everyone else was
[22:22] Adri//Fiona: no matter what we say here, I still insist on transparency, though MON:
[22:22] Kefka_69: that sounds like a really good idea
[22:22] Aaron: someone invite road
[22:22] smugleaf: same adri
[22:22] Brent: transparency yes
[22:22] Aaron: oh he's on appear offline
[22:22] *** Christian has joined the conversation.
[22:22] Adri//Fiona: welcome, Chris
[22:22] Aaron: speaking of transparency im going to go ahead and make a thread about that trigger warning tag
[22:22] CK: done
[22:22] Brent: I would also approve of wiping a lot of the threads from staff and GC
[22:22] smugleaf: yeah i thought that was a good idea
[22:22] Aaron: just putting them in the slums or what?
[22:22] Christian: 'sup
[22:22] Brent: slums w/e
[22:23] Brent: just
[22:23] CK: hard delete imo
[22:23] Brent: getting rid of all of the bullshit
[22:23] Brent: and moving on
[22:23] Aaron: yeah
[22:23] Kristen: yeah I'm in favor of this
[22:23] Brent: everyone apologise, shake hands, and vow to do better
[22:23] Kristen: and actually DO better
[22:23] Aaron: i'm not sure i'm in favour of hard deleting anything
[22:23] Aaron: but
[22:23] Aaron: i can definitely side with
[22:23] Aaron: moving it to a forum
[22:23] Aaron: no one
[22:23] Aaron: can see
[22:23] Brent: For one thing
[22:24] Aaron: even admins won't have access to it unless they manually edit their access masks, and i severely doubt anyone would have any reason to do that
[22:24] Adri//Fiona: don't think anyone would be bothered to do that
[22:24] Brent: we have too many "outsiders" for lack of a better word getting involved in bad situations and just driving them right the fuck off the road
[22:24] alejandro: im definitely in favour of shaking hands and moving on. but i dont think its gonna solve anything
[22:24] Kefka_69: well I definitely want to extend my apology again to Looney for what I said
[22:24] Brent: Well it's the starting point alex
[22:24] alejandro: oh i know, odnt get me wrong
[22:24] Adri//Fiona: unfortunately Rishi isn't here right now
[22:24] alejandro: i am so down with that
[22:24] Aaron: "don't think anyone would be bothered to do that" I wouldn't even be bothered to do that and I'm completely obsessive about fora
[22:25] Kristen: yeah just saying you're going to do better isn't enough, because remember we had a lot of that in the staff evaluations threads and not much changed. Which I think is where a lot of the frustration comes in
[22:25] Aaron: indeed
[22:25] Adri//Fiona: we need a mediation section
[22:25] Adri//Fiona: and not just that private section
[22:25] alejandro: if you suggest member reps i am going to fucking hit you
[22:25] Aaron: yeah i need to find a way to set something like that up
[22:26] Aaron: there needs to be a way to give individual members permission to see individual threads
[22:26] Christian: Who the hell are some of you people? oO
[22:26] Aaron: that way staff can open dialogue or whatever
[22:26] Aaron: alejandro = alex
[22:26] smugleaf: i'm zee
[22:26] Brent: lmao
[22:26] CK: well done road
[22:26] Aaron: oh yeah I guess most of those are obvious
[22:26] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: ^ kat
[22:26] Brent: alex is alejandro
[22:26] Kristen: Tifabelle, lol
[22:26] Aaron: i think the most important thing
[22:26] Aaron: is somewhere along the line we somehow stopped talking to each other
[22:26] alejandro: and from that
[22:26] Aaron: and that means we just started taking offence at perceived slights that werent' there
[22:26] alejandro: things got a bit too
[22:26] Brent: over the top
[22:26] alejandro: acf-y
[22:26] Adri//Fiona: the forums really produced a clusterfuck
[22:26] Aaron: so i think the single best solution
[22:26] Adri//Fiona: that is still happening
[22:26] Aaron: is to stop fucking doing that
[22:27] Brooke: me = brooke
[22:27] Brent: apparently I am Metal Gear now
[22:27] Aaron: we need to keep talking again
[22:27] Adri//Fiona: we need that chat window thing again
[22:27] Aaron: yeah exactly
[22:27] Adri//Fiona: on the forum
[22:27] Brooke: because email isnt obvious :mon
[22:27] Aaron: maybe people should go into irc a lot more too
[22:27] Kristen: which chat window thing?
[22:27] alejandro: maybe every week or so we could have one of these informal chats on msn?
[22:27] alejandro: between members and staff
[22:27] Kefka_69: I wonder if the server could handle itn ow
[22:27] Kefka_69: since we moved
[22:27] Brent: or skype or w/e
[22:27] alejandro: aye
[22:27] Ryushikaze: The TLS Chat. It was a MASSIVE bandwidth hog
[22:27] Ryushikaze: Also, a lot of folks still use IRC
[22:27] Aaron: oh right
[22:27] Kristen: oh yeah I loved that thing ;o;
[22:27] smugleaf: i figured that was the point of the irc chats but tbh i prefer skype/msn
[22:28] Aaron: yeah the chatbox
[22:28] Aaron: that thing was pretty cool
[22:28] alejandro: eliminate the perception of the member staff divide by having us all just hang out togteher shooting the shit
[22:28] Aaron: but yeah irc is probaly better
[22:28] Brent: I cba to figure irc out
[22:28] Brent: STFU KAT I AM LAZY
[22:28] alejandro: a lot of us dont use IRC though
[22:28] Kefka_69: I'm kinda the same way with IRC too, but I can try to be on there some
[22:28] Aaron: there created a trigger warning tag, and will create a custom one that can be used to say like (TRIGGER WARNING: RAPE) or something
[22:28] Brent: I'd rather just
[22:28] Kefka_69: I'm mostly on MSN, honestly
[22:28] Brent: get right into it
[22:28] Brent: IRC is just
[22:28] smugleaf: ty aaron
[22:28] Brent: bluh
[22:28] alejandro: i did notice that during the past few days the big schism between members can roughly be drawn between members who did and did not use IRC
[22:29] Aaron: yeah that's pretty damn true
[22:29] Aaron: i noticed that as well
[22:29] Ryushikaze: Everyone can use IRC, there's a one click link to an on site widget
[22:29] Aaron: and was thinking of commenting on it but I don't know why I didn't
[22:29] Aaron: probably because there was too much other stuff to comment on
[22:29] alejandro: yeah, it didnt really seem relevant
[22:29] Brent: next time someone gets into t
[22:29] Ryushikaze: It's not just that, but that is part of it, yes.
[22:29] Brent: it
[22:29] Brent: in this group
[22:29] Brent: the people that have known each other
[22:29] Brent: for years
[22:29] Brent: get into it
[22:29] Adri//Fiona: uh, I guess I'll start clearing things up on my end with the fact that I THOUGHT the thread discussing what "staff" was going to do with me was kept away from my eyes simply because I didn't see it in the "new threads" area, which is what I usually check
[22:30] Brent: it'd be best for someone to prompt a direct conversation OUTSIDE the board
[22:30] Adri//Fiona: so that was a bit of a rushed assumption
[22:30] Adri//Fiona: and my fault
[22:30] Adri//Fiona: derp
[22:30] Aaron: btw someone should probably post this convo in the thread later
[22:30] CK: wel all know you're a derp adri
[22:30] Adri//Fiona: ;-;
[22:30] CK: <3
[22:30] Aaron: i would volunteer to do it but i am probably going to be in bed before it ends
[22:31] alejandro: yeah. i actually like the idea of more of us talking on a medium that wasnt affiliated with the forum
[22:31] Brent: I'm a little annoyed that that rishi + more mods arent online to take part
[22:31] smugleaf: i am the hand of the rishi
[22:31] Aaron: maybe one of the staff members can do it, or someone can open a new thread with it if there's no staff left on by the time it ends
[22:31] Aaron: it seems like the four staff in here are the only ones who have even been visiting the forum, unfortunately
[22:31] Aaron: i messaged most of the other ones though
[22:32] Aaron: didn't message hito because he has been on some, though not as much
[22:32] Kefka_69: Well I will definitely leave myself open to chat, if anyone wants to speak to me (although god only knows why anyone would lol) just hit me up and I'll get to you as soon as I can if I'm not around
[22:32] Christian: Seems like a majority of the staff had to deal with irl stuff at the worst possible time.
[22:32] Brent: yes I would advocate skype for conversations
[22:32] Brent: since skype has logs
[22:32] Aaron: what mako says also applies to me
[22:32] Brent: and/or voice chat
[22:32] Aaron: i should get skype i guess
[22:32] Aaron: i never bothered. i also have google and facebook
[22:32] Brent: I refuse to touch facebook
[22:32] Aaron: people who need my facebook can ask me, i usually have a least one tab open with facebook
[22:32] smugleaf: skype is good. also having the chance to hear someone's tone adds a lot to better communication?
[22:32] Ryushikaze: IRC does too, at least I'm logging it like 99% of the time
[22:32] Aaron: i hate it too but it's the only way to keep in touch with some people
[22:32] smugleaf: imo
[22:33] Adri//Fiona: I hate facebook
[22:33] Aaron: i have my msn set to log everything as well
[22:33] Ryushikaze: The other 1% I'm not there
[22:33] Christian: Facebook sucks ass
[22:33] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: IRC only logs if youre online
[22:33] Kristen: skype is honestly the best way to go, imio
[22:33] Aaron: ok the custom tag thing is made
[22:33] Brooke: facebook was good when it was only for student [/old]
[22:33] Adri//Fiona: so we can literally TALK, skype is best, yes
[22:33] Brent: Adri no one can blame you for jumping the gun
[22:33] smugleaf: yeah
[22:33] alejandro: also, getting together for streaming movies is something a lot of us do these days. getinvolved or start running one those every once in a while
[22:33] Brent: everyone was heated
[22:33] Kefka_69: also Adri, we'll get you staff access again, because I think we can work through this and this dialogue was really helpful
[22:33] Brent: people got pissed
[22:33] Brent: and we were seeing red
[22:33] alejandro: theres a load of ways we can get together to actually bond without all the self-imposed stupidity on the forum
[22:34] Kristen: yeah I'd totally love movie night or something zee
[22:34] Adri//Fiona: I think this has helped a lot, too, Mako
[22:34] smugleaf: yeess movie night
[22:34] Kristen: some kind of events outside of the forum
[22:34] smugleaf: gingerdead man will bring us together.
[22:34] Kristen: lol
[22:34] Ryushikaze: Oh dear monkeyfuck, Gingerdead man?
[22:34] smugleaf: and ALL of the sequels ryu
[22:34] smugleaf: ALL OF THE SEQUELS
[22:35] Brent: we should watch face/off again too
[22:35] Brent: touches face
[22:35] Christian: hell yes
[22:35] Serah: I'M SORRY I SHOT YOU DAD
[22:35] smugleaf: nic cage my husbando
[22:35] Christian: Con Air
[22:35] Adri//Fiona: Sami xD
[22:35] alejandro: now we're cooking with gas
[22:35] Adri//Fiona: LET ME TOUCH YO' FACE
[22:35] Christian: Nic Cage marathon, imho
[22:35] Kristen: aaron - re: those tags, did you/are you going to make a post about them?
[22:35] smugleaf: a agree
[22:35] smugleaf: i*
[22:35] Aaron: already did, hang on for link
[22:35] Aaron: (Link: http://thelifestream.net/forums/show...ad.php?t=11622
[22:35] Kristen: ty
[22:35] Brooke: everyone on tls is creepy no wonder im mayor
[22:35] Brent: Nic Cage: Healing wounds
[22:35] Aaron: lulz
[22:36] Christian: lol
[22:36] Adri//Fiona: can we include Kick Ass?
[22:36] alejandro: we need to find someone capable of streaming the wicker man
[22:36] Adri//Fiona: because
[22:36] Adri//Fiona: you know
[22:36] Ryushikaze: Healing existing ones by inflicting new ones
[22:36] Serah: kick ass is great
[22:36] Brent: Kick ass is awful
[22:36] Brent: so yes
[22:36] Kristen: oh god, wicker man was just bad. not even funny bad, just bad
[22:36] Brent: BEESSSSS
[22:36] alejandro: this way we can all be horrified together
[22:36] Aaron: lulz
[22:36] Ryushikaze: All I need is Wicker Man. I can stream anything
[22:36] Christian: WHY IS IT BURNED
[22:36] smugleaf: WHYISITBURNEDWHY ISITBURNED
[22:37] Christian: TELL MEEEEEE
[22:37] Adri//Fiona: I've never seen Wicker Man or Lord of War
[22:37] Brent: I'm all for streaming since I currently have no life at all
[22:37] alejandro: lord of war is actually good
[22:37] Brent: lol Lord of War
[22:37] smugleaf: (Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-o...?v=xP1-oquwoL8
[22:37] smugleaf: genius
[22:37] Kristen: we have a couple people that can stream. It'd be good to take turns so it's not all on one person to always have to do it
[22:37] Christian: Lord of War is good, someone should suggest it in that movie thread.
[22:38] Kefka_69: that was an amazing movie
[22:38] Kefka_69: Lord of War
[22:38] Serah: (Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zdWC...eature=related
[22:38] Brent: what else needs said here
[22:38] Kefka_69: Nicholas Cage before he lost his legitimacy
[22:38] Brent: we're going kind of overboard rofl
[22:38] Aaron: prolly a lot but tbh im too tired to think of anything
[22:38] alejandro: if it gets us to get over this goddamn kindergarten us vs them attitude then il sit through whatever terrible audiovisual nightmare you can throw my way
[22:38] Kefka_69: well I really am glad to have heard from all of you
[22:38] Aaron: haha i agree alex
[22:39] Christian: Transparency? Anything on that?
[22:39] Kefka_69: this has been really nice (I know "nice" is a weird word to use, but I like the unity)
[22:39] Brent: Someone should get on the staff/gc drama wipe
[22:39] Aaron: probably a good idea i guess
[22:39] Brent: and if need be
[22:40] Brent: I would not be opposed to coming back to staff for a while if people want
[22:40] Aaron: though, i guess people who weren't in the conversation still have issues? but i can't really deal with them atm. i think im going to wait until i get home tomorrow before wiping the threads
[22:40] Christian: btw, is someone going to update Rishi on this?
[22:40] Adri//Fiona: transparency could start in baby steps, I guess, regarding a new mediation forum section
[22:40] Aaron: i would have no problem with you being back on staff
[22:40] Kristen: I would want that dac, yes
[22:40] Brent: Rishi will be getting the full 411
[22:40] Serah: yes i want that too
[22:40] Aaron: in fact
[22:40] Aaron: do you want me to put you on staff right now
[22:40] Aaron: i'll do it
[22:40] Brent: the only reason she isn't here
[22:40] smugleaf: i will update rishi
[22:40] Brent: is because she has work
[22:40] Aaron: right
[22:40] Brent: right now I think the slate wiping should be the focus
[22:40] Aaron: actually i guess we probably should vote on staff additions? idk
[22:40] Aaron: yeah
[22:40] Christian: Dacon, just stop leaving staff, and deal with the rage.
[22:40] Kristen: well brent can be part of that vote thingy when we come to that?
[22:40] Aaron: yeah he obviously will
[22:40] Ryushikaze: Slate wiping and actually talking
[22:41] CK: put me on staff please, i'm the admin tls deserves
[22:41] Kefka_69: I have to get to work stuff myself actually
[22:41] Brent: lol tony
[22:41] Kefka_69: but feel free to tug my ear or whatever
[22:41] Brent: whatever it takes atm
[22:41] Ryushikaze: I'mma keep harping on that aspect because I believe it.
[22:41] Aaron: im right with you there, people need to keep talking
[22:42] Aaron: thats almost certainly the #1 reason the board turned to such shit
[22:42] smugleaf: yeah i was getting rael tired of the passive aggressive shit
[22:42] Aaron: me too
[22:42] Christian: wish MOG was here
[22:42] Brent: Everyone was
[22:42] Aaron: yeah same
[22:42] smugleaf: real*
[22:42] Christian: he'd enjoy this
[22:42] Brent: That is how we got here
[22:42] Aaron: hell yeah he would
[22:42] Kristen: yeah god, this is a good way to talk about things. it's so much easier
[22:42] alejandro: but seriously, even if it isnt bonding over a terrible movie. maybe every week or two we can get together like this. staff can informally give people the lowdown on issues, suggestions, plans for the site. even if we just end up using skype or msn or irc as a sounding board. the important thing is that everyone talks to each other on equal footing every now and then
[22:42] Aaron: right i approve of this idea
[22:42] Christian: solid plan
[22:43] Ryushikaze: Well, that was sort of the idea behind drunken fridays.
[22:43] Brent: yeah minus a few of the people arent present
[22:43] Adri//Fiona: well, Mog will enjoy this if we copy/pasta this into a thread
[22:43] Kefka_69: that sounds good
[22:43] Brent: the folks here seem to be the ones having the most impact as far as discussions go
[22:43] Kefka_69: it sounds positively fabulous even!
[22:43] Kristen: yeah mog would love this ;o;
[22:43] Brent: and I think starting here
[22:43] Brent: is the best thing
[22:43] Ryushikaze: Right, popping back to to FFU.
[22:43] Adri//Fiona: we are the future
[22:43] CK: lol brent
[22:43] Brent: well everyone but tony
[22:43] CK: not everyone. (me)
[22:43] CK:
[22:44] Brent: and kat
[22:44] Brent: KAT YOU FUCK TALK
[22:44] Aaron: im going to go ahead and c/p this
[22:44] Brent: naw
[22:44] Aaron: should i post it publicly or just in staff for now?
[22:44] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: nevar
[22:44] Brent: I dont think that's necessary
[22:44] Ryushikaze: BTW, we shouldn't exclude the newer members from this either, by design or by omission. They're new, but they do have a voice and a love for the forum too.
[22:44] Adri//Fiona: publicly
[22:44] Adri//Fiona: always
[22:44] Adri//Fiona: publicly
[22:44] Aaron: yeah agreed ryu
[22:44] Brent: I think a summary that's tagged would work
[22:44] CK: i'm sorry i've been invovled in crap like this over 3 different forums now i'm just tired of it. so I just make smart ass comments and thats about it. I will behave in the future though
[22:44] Brent: too much TLDR
[22:45] Aaron: k i definitely dont have time to write one though
[22:45] Aaron: at least not right now
[22:45] Aaron: maybe tomorrow after work
[22:45] alejandro: no, i definitely agree. newer members shouldnt be excluded.
[22:45] Brent: yeah I think tomorrow we can all just
[22:45] Brent: lay everything out
[22:45] Brent: for now just like
[22:45] Aaron: actually
[22:45] Brent: make a small update and say shits being handled
[22:45] Kefka_69: just promise me CK, that if another member named Sephiroth comes around, you won't drive him further into insanity, lulz
[22:45] Aaron: do you want me to discuss what has happened and reopen the thread?
[22:45] Brent: naw
[22:45] Brent: new thread
[22:45] Brent: take everything else
[22:45] Aaron: sounds good
[22:45] CK: I can't promise that
[22:45] Brent: throw it in the trash
[22:45] alejandro: my main beef was that everyone was just putting in their two cents and riling everyone up even more
[22:45] CK: we all need a good laugh from time to time
[22:45] Aaron: yeah that's pretty much exactly it
[22:46] Kefka_69: lol
[22:46] Brent: yeah it became like
[22:46] Brent: a 2 sided dog pile
[22:46] Aaron: exaclty
[22:46] Brent: of people just butting heads
[22:46] alejandro: everyone being people that had no real stake in the discussion
[22:46] Brent: I think
[22:46] Brent: we should just like
[22:46] CK: btw guys you can infract me for that post I made towards prince lex
[22:46] Ryushikaze: They felt they did, Alex
[22:46] CK: I deserve one for that lol
[22:47] Kefka_69: I'm gonna head out now though, I'll be back later though
[22:47] Aaron: k will do in a moment lawl
[22:47] CK: it'd be an insult for me not to get one
[22:47] Kefka_69: take care everyone
[22:47] Aaron: yeah
[22:47] Brent: write everything we did done, and what else we need to work on
[22:47] Aaron: i'll make the thread first though
[22:47] Adri//Fiona: bye bye
[22:47] Brent: *down
[22:47] Brent: derp
[22:47] Brent: later
[22:47] Serah: bye
[22:47] CK: laters bitches
[22:47] Kristen: later dude
[22:47] alejandro: see ya mako
[22:47] Aaron: later man
[22:48] Adri//Fiona: one small step for staff, one giant leap for TLS?
[22:48] Brent: I mean
[22:48] Brent: I understand people getting irritated and wanting to have their say
[22:48] Brent: I get that
[22:49] Aaron: yep
[22:49] Brent: but they really shouldnt have gotten involved, or felt like they needed to to begin with
[22:49] Kristen: it's not really constructive
[22:49] alejandro: and aye, ryu, i know that they believed they did. theres just no real way to say 'no, wait, back the hell off. this isnt really a discussion that concerns you for reasons X, Y and Z' without just exacerbating the drama even more
[22:49] Brent: that's partly our fault
[22:49] Kristen: I understand their feelings, but it's just not constructive
[22:49] Brent: for not getting to this point to start with
[22:49] Brent: we all just lost the plot
[22:49] Brent: and it seems like stupidity gets catchy
[22:49] Adri//Fiona: Aaron
[22:49] Brent: I mean a lot of us were on acf
[22:49] Brent: we know shit like this in and out
[22:50] Adri//Fiona: for the trigger warning, the spelling is off when you use "=" + a word, fyi
[22:50] Aaron: oh shit
[22:50] Aaron: i'll fix that momentarily, thanks
[22:50] Aaron: typing the thread first though, and then i need to infract ck
[22:50] Ryushikaze: Well, just try and see it from their perspective, especially once the concerted trolling started
[22:50] Brent: Like I said
[22:50] Ryushikaze: Also, some of the folks getting involved were also on ACF
[22:50] Brent: it's our fault for letting our shit spill out
[22:50] alejandro: hi
[22:51] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: ryu
[22:51] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: i think you really gotta watch who you make jokes with
[22:51] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: like i know you never intend anything malicious about it
[22:51] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: but you gotta know by now that some people are not gonna respond well
[22:52] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: and i really think you should just avoid those people entirely
[22:52] Brent: or at the very least
[22:52] Brent: make sure they know you're not intentionally trying to rub them the wrong way
[22:52] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: ^
[22:52] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: like
[22:52] Brent: sometimes you cant help saying shit
[22:52] Brent: I know
[22:52] Adri//Fiona: I've spoken to Ryu on skype and played for hours with him on Uncharted, he's an alright guy
[22:52] Brent: this is me
[22:52] Aaron: yeah kat and brent have a point
[22:52] Brent: I know
[22:52] smugleaf: i know, ryu, that you don't mean anything bad by it, but it's just poorly timed/executed
[22:52] Aaron: maybe using the emote or something?
[22:52] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: ill crack racist or sexist or other inappropriate jokes with my friends all the time
[22:52] smugleaf: emotes really do help
[22:52] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: because they know me
[22:52] Ryushikaze: I might have to
[22:52] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: but if i said those things to strangers
[22:53] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: they would probably get upset
[22:53] Kristen: Ryu I want to see you use a monster emote
[22:53] Aaron: i pretty much always use a to denote a joke that i'm not sure people might recognise as a joke
[22:53] Aaron: i think everyone in this forum wants to see you use a monster emote
[22:53] Aaron: everyone probably also wants to see you start thanking poasts,
[22:53] Aaron: see?
[22:53] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: i think if ryu used any emote at all the forum would just spontaneously combust
[22:53] Brent: and that faggot mako needs to join the RE theme
[22:53] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: but seriously, i dont think you *have* to start using emotes or shit
[22:53] CK: yeah even I joined the RE theme
[22:53] Brent: random I know
[22:53] CK: in the best way possible
[22:54] Adri//Fiona: giraffe getting head
[22:54] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: just be more careful in who you chosose to joke with
[22:54] Serah: he can be jake
[22:54] Brent: but it is representative of relationships
[22:54] Brent: he can be barry
[22:54] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: choose**
[22:54] Kristen: certain things like emotes makes a huge difference in how your posts are perceived
[22:54] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: ^
[22:54] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: this is truth
[22:54] Brent: yeah it might just be the way he writes
[22:55] smugleaf: yeah emotes are good better than LOSING CONTROL OF YOU KJEYBOARD LIKE ME ACUSE I GET EX C I T ED???
[22:55] Brent: but sometimes his posts seem really stiff
[22:55] Christian: I got so sad you guys started the RE theme. *Just read Adri's VMs
[22:55] Brent: well
[22:55] Serah: JOIN
[22:55] Brent: join
[22:55] Adri//Fiona: he used a giant sad panda emote
[22:55] Brent: As long as people change their AKA fields
[22:55] Serah: tell tiff too as well
[22:55] Kristen: I didn't even get to choose my name, lol. It was appointed to me :mon
[22:55] Brent: and keep people apprised
[22:55] Brent: it shouldnt be that big a deal
[22:55] Kristen: oh right, I think I have to add Arya Stark back in there
[22:55] alejandro: at the risk of being completely egomaniacal. i know for a fact that not everything i post is to everyones tastes. if i say something particularly incendiary i do sometimes try and soften the blow with some faux-jive talk or emotes.
[22:56] Brent: we should just make shit less frequent from now on
[22:56] Christian: Since I can't be Chris, NEMISIS is getting' his tentacles in this bitch.
[22:56] Adri//Fiona: NEMESIS*
[22:56] CK: adri
[22:56] smugleaf: STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS
[22:56] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: adri is a big thief
[22:56] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: THIEF
[22:57] Christian: ;.;
[22:57] Adri//Fiona: GIVE ME CASTLE
[22:57] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: NO
[22:57] CK: adri is dan
[22:57] Brent: what else do we need to work on
[22:57] CK: it all makes sense now
[22:57] *** Teef has joined the conversation.
[22:57] Brent: tiff
[22:57] Brent: you got some grievances you wanna air
[22:58] Christian: Who is Luce?
[22:58] CK: tiff
[22:58] Adri//Fiona: Tiff
[22:58] CK: what are you quoting?
[22:58] Kristen: aka changes her name everyday
[22:58] Teef: huh?
[22:58] Teef: OMG THIS IS A BIG CHAT. O_O
[22:58] Christian: :>
[22:58] CK: just like the old days
[22:58] Ryushikaze: Less large than it seems
[22:58] Adri//Fiona: this is your intervention, Tiff
[22:58] Adri//Fiona: those tentacles
[22:58] Adri//Fiona: MON:
[22:58] Teef: i will never quit yaoi or tentacles =(
[22:58] Ryushikaze: You have been doing way too many tentacles for your own good
[22:58] Brent: half the people seem to be speaking so dont be intimidated by all of the names
[22:59] Ryushikaze: You need to cut back
[22:59] Brent: LOL
[22:59] Brent: DOING TENTACLES
[22:59] Adri//Fiona: sounds like a bad drug
[22:59] Teef: >:C
[22:59] Brent: a bad drug
[22:59] Brent: in her vagina
[22:59] Adri//Fiona: .........
[22:59] CK: tiff do mine
[22:59] Kristen: oh lord
[22:59] Serah: STOP BRENT
[22:59] Teef: lol
[22:59] Adri//Fiona: ..........................
[22:59] Teef: tony
[22:59] smugleaf: brent i sweat to G O D.........
[22:59] smugleaf: swear*
[22:59] Brent: fuck you all I'm funny
[22:59] Serah: omg
[22:59] smugleaf: FUCK
[22:59] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: ahaha
[22:59] Serah: I LOVE YOU ZEE
[22:59] Kristen: is that anything like sweating to the oldies?
[22:59] smugleaf: larping roxy all day
[22:59] smugleaf: every day
[22:59] alejandro: pornspire
[22:59] Brent: okay lol
[23:00] Brent: everyone calm down
[23:00] Teef: pff
[23:00] Brent: tiff
[23:00] Teef: what
[23:00] Teef: WHAT
[23:00] smugleaf: i can't control my hands
[23:00] Teef: D:
[23:00] Brent: what do you wanna say abou tthe shit going down on the board
[23:00] Brent: speak
[23:00] Christian: this is our healing session
[23:00] CK: I got the weed
[23:00] CK: tha will heal us all
[23:00] Adri//Fiona: give me the weed
[23:00] Christian: Say Goosefraba and let it out
[23:01] Teef: OKAY TO BE 100 PERCENT HONEST,,
[23:01] Brent: sounds like a terrible dinner
[23:01] Adri//Fiona: doing tentacles and eating goosefraba
[23:01] Aaron: (Link: http://thelifestream.net/forums/show...592#post449592
[23:01] Aaron: posted
[23:02] Aaron: so what else was I going to do
[23:02] Aaron: warn tony
[23:02] Teef: I think it's stupid and I don't trust a lot of the staff anymore and really have the desire to leave because I think the shit talking thing is terrible and it really bothers me. I read the stuff Tenny, Tres, and Aaron said towards me and it really made me bitter and upset, the stuff with Rishi and all of this just made it worse. The trolling didnt help so that Im semi sorry about and also
[23:02] alejandro: i think my biggest concern of everything going a bit ACFy has been addressed. we shut the staff vs members shit down in its tracks. should help build some bridges and crucially, some trust
[23:02] Brent: staff/fc drama swipe
[23:02] Teef: prince lex is an annoying fuck and I dont even care that I got infracted for pointing it out
[23:03] Teef: and if he was here i would tell that to him
[23:03] Kristen: I do think one of the major concerns is that a lot of members' faith in the staff as a whole has been shaken
[23:03] Brent: I honestly didnt have much of an issue with him
[23:03] Kristen: not just this incident, but several of the recent incidents
[23:03] Aaron: i dont even remember what i said (im assuming it was from months ago about the kobato drama?) but whatever it was im sorry for it
[23:03] Brent: until he compared rape to a video game butthurt
[23:03] Teef: what it was was
[23:03] Teef: tenny calling me a liar
[23:03] Brent: and then just all of the biting remarks he made
[23:03] Teef: and you and tres agreeing with her
[23:03] Teef: debating on whether to tell me about it but were afraid id get angry
[23:04] Teef: and then tenny said,
[23:04] Teef: "well if I do go to her how do we even believe her"
[23:04] Teef: it really upset me
[23:04] *** Bex has joined the conversation.
[23:04] Aaron: tbh i dont think i comprehended your entire message
[23:04] smugleaf: who is this??
[23:04] Aaron: i had gotten the impression you hadnt mentioned contacting kobato i think
[23:04] Aaron: bexy i assume
[23:04] Teef: tenny pmed me about this though - nothing was resolved however ._.;
[23:05] Christian: It's that English lass
[23:05] Aaron: oh i dont think i knew that
[23:05] Aaron: that entire episode almost everything i know about it is based on hearsay
[23:05] Aaron: because i read the content
[23:05] Aaron: but
[23:05] Aaron: i didnt really understand it
[23:05] Bex: wag
[23:05] Bex: wat
[23:05] Bex: is going on here
[23:05] Aaron: so apart from the private messages staff asked me to look for i didnt know a damn thing about it
[23:05] Bex: why am i here
[23:05] Teef: Welll it was just real upsetting because
[23:05] Aaron: (Link: http://thelifestream.net/forums/show...ad.php?t=11628
[23:05] Teef: Tenny was like,
[23:05] Bex: my tummy hurtw
[23:05] Teef: oh I will help you try and fix things tiff im sorry you're hurt
[23:06] Teef: and then to turn around and say im lying
[23:06] Brent: lmao who invited her here
[23:06] Teef: is awful
[23:06] Bex: bexy? who the fuck calls me that anymore
[23:06] Brent: lmao
[23:06] Christian: lol
[23:06] Teef: YOUR TUMBLR
[23:06] Aaron: i dunno lol
[23:06] Bex: that's my xbl bitch
[23:06] Aaron: i guess no one
[23:06] smugleaf: god bless
[23:06] Aaron: i cant speak for tenny but maybe she missed out on the part where you mentioned contacting kobato or somethin idk
[23:06] Adri//Fiona: xD
[23:06] Adri//Fiona: o Leora
[23:06] Bex: god bless
[23:06] Bex: adri, other window
[23:06] Brent: I think the issue is
[23:07] alejandro: wha-psssh
[23:07] Brent: instead of confronting tiff personally about it
[23:07] Brent: shit was said in staff instead
[23:07] alejandro: that was a whipped sound
[23:07] alejandro: btw
[23:07] Brent: where she cant really defend herself
[23:07] Kristen: for the record, tenny did say the same thing to me that she said to tiff, which is why it was surprising to find out what was said later
[23:07] Teef: and then also i made the report the joke one or whatever and then tenny said "tiff has no right" and tres said, "tiff is making irony less funny" so at that point i was like fuck them i am done
[23:07] Aaron: otherwise yeah thats kind of inexcusable idk what she was thinking
[23:07] Teef: no one told me "please dont do joke reports it was bothersome"
[23:07] Teef: instead they said things about me.
[23:08] *** Bex has left the conversation.
[23:08] Teef: coming from people i thought were my friends it was upsetting so yeah
[23:08] Brent: aaron did you make that post?
[23:09] Brent: I DIDNT SEE IT
[23:09] alejandro: this is something ive been uncomfortable with for some time now
[23:09] smugleaf: (Link: http://thelifestream.net/forums/show...592#post449592
[23:09] alejandro: i know there was a thread in staff complaining about bex and myself a few years back
[23:09] *** Aaron has left the conversation.
[23:09] Brent: aaron got d/c
[23:09] Christian: you & bex? oO
[23:10] alejandro: MOG made it
[23:10] Kristen: I will brb
[23:10] alejandro: we werenton good terms at the time
[23:10] Christian: oh yeah, that's way back
[23:10] *** Aaron has joined the conversation.
[23:10] Christian: MOG was a hard ass then
[23:11] Brent: tiff you got anything you wanna add
[23:12] CK: so nobody has said anything about me being on staff. what do you guys think? I think its a wonderful idea if I may say so myself
[23:12] Aaron: so what did i miss
[23:12] Brent: about when did you get disconnected
[23:12] Aaron: 11:10
[23:12] Aaron: i think i missed about a minute and a half of convo
[23:12] CK: my first action would be to unban username and invite sephorith and hirotoki back
[23:12] Christian: not much
[23:12] Aaron: lulz
[23:12] Aaron: ck where was that post you said i should warn
[23:13] Brent: did you read tiff's issue with tres and tennyo in staff?
[23:13] Aaron: im too lazy to look through all the report threads
[23:13] CK: i'll find it
[23:13] Christian: oh god i miss hirotoki
[23:13] Aaron: yeah
[23:13] Teef: i would like to add if staff thinks something i say is questionable or whatever just say it to my face PLEASE
[23:13] Aaron: right
[23:13] Adri//Fiona: blame hirotoki
[23:13] Aaron: yeah thats reasonable
[23:13] Aaron: it's hirotoki's fault this place got so shitty to begin with
[23:13] Christian: word
[23:13] Teef: I dont care if you think Im acting stupid if you say it directly to me we can work it out
[23:13] Aaron: oh right i think it found it
[23:13] CK: the forum is missng fanch
[23:13] Teef: so just be honest i guess ;-;
[23:14] alejandro: indeed
[23:14] Brent: aaron
[23:14] CK: (Link: http://thelifestream.net/forums/show...5&postcount=23
[23:14] CK: I even reported it myself
[23:14] Brent: you should wipe staff/gc drama, and then post this chat in staff
[23:14] Aaron: lawl
[23:14] CK: so its probably been reported about 20 times
[23:14] Aaron: i will consider doing that soon
[23:14] Teef: ll am i not allowed to have that quote in my sig or
[23:14] Aaron: its been reported three times idk
[23:14] Christian: I don't even remember Fanch ;.;
[23:14] Aaron: which quote?
[23:14] Teef: tonys post XD
[23:14] Adri//Fiona: fanch is the best language
[23:14] Aaron: i dunno lolo
[23:14] Aaron: you should probably take it out
[23:15] alejandro: thats the main thing. there wouldnt be a hullaballoo about leaking or anything if there was more direct communication. rumours, hearsay and gossip would be far less likely to spread
[23:15] Teef: its behind a spoiler tag /awesom
[23:15] Ryushikaze: Gonna invite Carlie in, if that's alright
[23:15] Aaron: yeah thats pretty true
[23:15] Christian: I know, but I forgot how to speak it.
[23:15] Aaron: sounds good
[23:15] *** Carla Francely has joined the conversation.
[23:15] CK: use the trigger warning tag tiff
[23:15] CK: oh no
[23:15] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: also
[23:15] Christian: who is dis?
[23:15] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: just wanna say
[23:15] Teef: lol
[23:15] CK: watch out
[23:15] Brent: kat?
[23:15] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: and this is kinda directed at you aaron but also other staff
[23:15] CK: shes going to spoil what happens next in the convo
[23:15] Teef: i will put the tw tag to good use -nods-
[23:15] Teef: LOL
[23:15] Brent: LOL tony
[23:15] Teef: omg
[23:15] Kristen: does msn have a limit to how many people can be in it XD
[23:15] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: every time drama comes up staff starts talking about changing rules or introducing new ones
[23:16] Teef: it does kripey
[23:16] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: and i feel like most of the time its completely unnecessary and fails to actually accomplish anything
[23:16] Teef: im not sure what it is but it happened before XD
[23:16] Brent: I agree with this
[23:16] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: a lot of the drama just stems from massive lapses in common sense
[23:16] Kristen: I agree with Kat because sometimes the actually crux of the problem doesn't get worked out
[23:16] Aaron: yeah thats probably true
[23:16] Aaron: though even more than that i think a lot of these just stem from miscommunications
[23:16] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: and trying to turn it into some issue about the rules just ends up obfuscating the real problem of people just being derp
[23:16] Brent: I wouldnt even say that kat
[23:16] Brent: it's more like
[23:16] Brent: widespread passive aggressiveness
[23:16] alejandro: kat needs to talk more. shes saying some ripe sense here.
[23:17] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: that too
[23:17] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.:
[23:17] Aaron: yeah brent has it exactly right
[23:17] Ryushikaze: I'm gonna second Brent's comment there
[23:17] Christian: yep
[23:17] Aaron: that is exactly
[23:17] CK: I am quite shocked
[23:17] Aaron: why i felt this place was going to shit for so long
[23:17] Aaron: because everyone seemed so passive aggressive
[23:17] CK: i've received 2 warnings for insulting other members in 2 days
[23:17] CK: my work is done here
[23:17] Aaron: i recall several complaints about that issue in staff i think, i may even have posted one of them myself
[23:18] Aaron: but then we probably had a lot to do with some of that ourselves if only because we werent understanding people properly or something idk
[23:18] Teef: warnings? why not infractions XD
[23:18] Aaron: i must have forgotten to click the infraction button for the one i just sent
[23:18] Aaron: i literally havent given out an infraction in months because ive been trying to avoid modding
[23:18] Brent: It seemed more like
[23:18] Aaron: after i was just pissing people off with the way i was wording everything
[23:18] Brent: the real problems got overlooked in favour of being dicks
[23:18] Aaron: yeah that seems like it
[23:18] Brent: and then other people would dogpile on it
[23:19] CK: I got the pm
[23:19] Brent: and it would get even stupider
[23:19] Aaron: yep
[23:19] Aaron: yep
[23:19] Aaron: exactly
[23:20] smugleaf: also i just wanna say i wish more of the mods were around/vocal. it seems whenever drama or issues arise it's always the same people who say something while the others are nowhere to be found
[23:20] Aaron: yeah idg that either
[23:20] Aaron: i already messaged the ones who disappeared about it
[23:20] Aaron: though i know tres is dealing with personal shit
[23:20] Aaron: so he has an excuse
[23:20] CK: ok guys
[23:20] smugleaf: yeah
[23:20] Aaron: i have no idea where the fuck force disappeared to
[23:20] CK: im going to have a shower
[23:20] Aaron: aight later man
[23:20] CK: who wants some video action?
[23:20] Brent: I agree with aaron
[23:20] Aaron: lulz
[23:20] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: later tony
[23:20] Brent: NOOOOOOOOOO
[23:20] Teef: ME
[23:20] smugleaf: but like tennyo was posting around the forums and then got snippy when i suggested she instead weigh in on the thread
[23:20] Brent: tiff
[23:20] Ryushikaze: Yeah, Force just vanished
[23:20] Teef: what
[23:21] Brent: you realise he has a penis and not a tentacle in his pants right
[23:21] Teef: aww =(
[23:21] Aaron: i cant remember who else i messaged
[23:21] Aaron: the people who were in this conversation were posting enough
[23:21] alejandro: seconded. people can say what they want about how you guys have tackled things in the past. but the three of you here have never been shy about acting ona problem when its come up
[23:21] Aaron: hito was probably posting enough though his was borderline
[23:21] CK: I can dress it up like a tentacle
[23:21] Christian: X disappeared too
[23:21] alejandro: which im grateful for
[23:21] smugleaf: ^
[23:21] Ryushikaze: O
[23:21] Aaron: thanks man
[23:21] Teef: omg yes <3
[23:21] Brent: tentacle condom
[23:21] CK: im going to google search that
[23:21] Teef: DO THOSE EXIST
[23:21] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: i saw a tentacle dildo once
[23:21] Brent: rofl
[23:21] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: in amsterdam
[23:21] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: /random aside
[23:22] smugleaf: ..........
[23:22] Ryushikaze: I'll say the reason I wasn't involved in the first thread more was because I was trying to compose myself.
[23:22] smugleaf: nooooooooooooooooooo :
[23:22] Brent: roooooofl
[23:22] Teef: brb ordering
[23:22] smugleaf: i understand that ryu, tbh i would not feel really good jumping into that if i was you either
[23:22] alejandro: i just was too exhaustedfor a coherent post
[23:22] smugleaf: but i mean like, tennyo, x, force, where is everyone
[23:22] CK: (Link: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8CfyEtlQJq...0/IMG_2068.JPG
[23:22] Aaron: yeah i dont get that either
[23:22] Brent: I was mind bendingly pissed after that secret
[23:22] Aaron: i messaged them about it
[23:22] alejandro: i suffer from an excess of being british and its much easier to comment on msn at 4 30 in the morning
[23:22] Teef: i thought x said he wasnt needed
[23:22] Aaron: whiich secret?
[23:22] Kefka_69: *suddenly poofs back* I'm the same way as well, since I try to word my posts as precisely and carefully as possible when such issues come up
[23:22] Brent: I am sorry but when I get pissed I cant hold back
[23:23] Brent: look in the secrets thread aaron
[23:23] Teef: lol sucking his own dick / dies/
[23:23] Aaron: oh right
[23:23] smugleaf: nathan is the best in the world
[23:23] Ryushikaze: It's when I get pissed, or paranoid, or the like that I vanish because I don't want to risk it.
[23:23] Brent: I never had that much sense
[23:23] Teef: me either lol
[23:23] Brent: I am a confrontational person
[23:24] Brent: imma flip right the fuck out
[23:24] Aaron: i will say that on a couple of cases when i had free time and was reading i didnt bother posting because i either wouldnt have had anything constructive to say or would have pissed people off with what i had to say
[23:24] Aaron: but by and large the reason i was on sporadically was because i was afk
[23:24] Ryushikaze: BTW, Teef, gonna ask, were you given or did you guess the login information?
[23:24] smugleaf: i am cersei lannister i have no sense of subtlety
[23:24] Christian: At least you're not as bad as you were on acf dacon
[23:24] Brent: road
[23:24] Brent: I'm gonna be honest
[23:24] Aaron: i did have a bit of free time last night but i didnt know the whole story with the celes thing which is why i didnt reply to that and there was something else i didnt reply to for whatever reason i cant even remember
[23:24] Kristen: eh we all have moments where we can be less than tactful. I've been there myself
[23:24] Aaron: i was the one who did the name change btw
[23:24] Teef: login information???
[23:24] Aaron: sorry that pissed you guys off so much
[23:24] Brent: I dont even fucking remember half of what I did on ACF
[23:25] Christian: lol
[23:25] Teef: wat you mean
[23:25] Brent: make that most of what I did
[23:25] Ryushikaze: Audrey
[23:25] Kristen: she hasn't been on Ryu, she doesn't know what you're talking about
[23:25] Christian: probably for the best. :mon
[23:25] Aaron: i was browsing the boards, saw a name change request, did it, then looked in the drama thread and said no way im getting involved in this
[23:25] alejandro: its all sorting itself out now, aaron. but thanks all the same.
[23:25] Aaron: but i had no idea it would piss people off
[23:25] Aaron: no problem
[23:25] Teef: what about audrey O_O
[23:25] Aaron: yeah i had to get to bed anyway
[23:26] Ryushikaze: You had access to it, right?
[23:26] Teef: Ohh
[23:26] Kristen: does it matter anyway, Ryu, at this point?
[23:26] Teef: yeah in the past
[23:26] Teef: I did use Audreys account
[23:26] Teef: to read the staff thread
[23:26] Teef: we share our passwords
[23:26] Teef: and she had access but that was awhile ago
[23:26] Teef: its nothing to do with right now at all
[23:27] Ryushikaze: Just wanted to make sure.
[23:27] Christian: It was all Adri
[23:27] Ryushikaze: It wasn't immediately relevant, it came up when I was looking around.
[23:27] Adri//Fiona: huh
[23:27] alejandro: that fucking adri
[23:27] Christian: i know rite
[23:27] Aaron: right guys
[23:27] Adri//Fiona: o
[23:27] Kefka_69: IT WAS ADRI ALL ALLOOOOOONG
[23:27] Aaron: i think the constructiveness of me staying up has probably passed
[23:27] Ryushikaze: It mostly dealt with post report confidentiality becoming completely compromised
[23:28] Adri//Fiona: I was the turkey
[23:28] Adri//Fiona: all along
[23:28] Aaron: i'll slum everything tomorrow when i get back from work if someone else hasnt done it first
[23:28] Christian: gobble gobble
[23:28] Kefka_69: lol
[23:28] Ryushikaze: But you didn't do anything with it, so I don't think we need to do anything about it.
[23:28] Adri//Fiona: /explodes out of turkey
[23:28] Aaron: i do want people to be able to post if they have concerns from the drama thread that werent assuaged by my post
[23:28] Aaron: but if they dont get to it by the time im back from work tomorrow, tough shit
[23:28] Brent: yeah pretty much
[23:28] Brent: this shit is done for the most part
[23:28] Aaron: yeah i hope so
[23:29] alejandro: it better be
[23:29] alejandro: im exhausted
[23:29] Kristen: yeah I think we're ready to move forward
[23:29] Teef: i really hope so ;-;
[23:29] Aaron: anyway
[23:29] Aaron: i think im gonna leave my computer on
[23:29] Aaron: for a change
[23:29] Aaron: and just log everything that gets said here
[23:29] Brent: we should have another chat tomorrow with rishi and the rest of staff present
[23:29] Ryushikaze: Anyways, I suggest exactly what I suggest to every one else, Teef. Talk to the fuckers about it.
[23:29] Brent: well most of the staff
[23:29] Aaron: and post it in staff tomorrow in case anyone can be bothered with tldr
[23:29] Kristen: well whoever is around really
[23:29] Aaron: so you guys go on having fun
[23:29] Teef: i did talk to people
[23:29] Teef: it didnt really
[23:29] Teef: go anywhere
[23:29] Teef: lol
[23:29] Brent: it will next time
[23:29] Brent: mako
[23:30] Teef: but yes to another chat with everyone ;-;
[23:30] Kristen: goodnight aaron
[23:30] Brent: make a mandatory time for these bitches to show up for chat
[23:30] Brent: and goodnight aaron
[23:30] Kefka_69: yes?
[23:30] Adri//Fiona: goodnight Aaron
[23:30] Aaron: oh god damn it omega had to make a drama post
[23:30] smugleaf: night
[23:30] Kefka_69: I shall
[23:30] alejandro: night mate, get some rest
[23:30] Brent: he'll be there too
[23:30] Kristen: oh yeah plan a time
[23:30] Brent: it's to be expected really
[23:30] Aaron: ok thats good
[23:30] Brent: he's been out of the loop
[23:30] Adri//Fiona: I work tomorrow night
[23:30] Adri//Fiona: but will be back at this hour tomorrow
[23:31] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: night aaron
[23:31] Brent: nite guy
[23:31] Teef: good niiight
[23:31] Aaron: g'nite
[23:31] smugleaf: night
[23:31] Teef: /mon
[23:32] Aaron: actually before I go to bed should I close rishi's thread or
[23:32] Kristen: aaron needs to add monster to his msn emoticons
[23:32] Aaron: yeah I do
[23:32] Ryushikaze: I can tell you Tenny is maybe about as hurt as you are about this. I suspect Tres will try and be understanding
[23:32] Kristen: yeah you can close rishi's thread, I think
[23:32] Teef: i know i have been pming her
[23:32] Teef: but she thinks everything is my fault
[23:32] Teef: and i somehow got everyone on the forum to hate her
[23:33] Kristen: I think a break in trust is a difficult thing to work through
[23:33] Kristen: but tiff maybe that's something you can bring up in the chat tomorow
[23:33] Kristen: if tenny can make it
[23:33] Teef: i plan to /mon
[23:33] Brent: she better
[23:33] Aaron: right
[23:33] Aaron: alright now that that's done
[23:33] Aaron: g'nite everyone
[23:33] smugleaf: night aaron
[23:33] Kristen: night
[23:33] Ryushikaze: She's not been on at all in the last few days
[23:34] Teef: i wouldnt know xD
[23:34] Teef: i think i blocked her tbh x-x
[23:34] Christian: g'nite
[23:34] Kristen: She might be working through her own thoughts on the amtter
[23:34] Ryushikaze: I think she is.
[23:34] Kristen: mako are you gonna make a post in staff about a chat tomorrow or?
[23:35] Kristen: oh and it's gonna be on skype right? not msn?
[23:35] alejandro: skype might get problematic
[23:35] alejandro: with so many hombres
[23:35] Kefka_69: I can!
[23:35] Aaron: i dont have a microphone for whatever thats worth
[23:35] Kefka_69: I unfortunately don't have
[23:35] Kefka_69: a mic
[23:35] Kefka_69: either
[23:35] Aaron: i can get one i guess but im not sure i can get one by tomorrow
[23:35] Adri//Fiona: we read the convo
[23:35] Kefka_69: thus I do not use skype
[23:35] Aaron: ill start up a skype account though i guess
[23:36] Kristen: well just a text chat on skype. msn has a limit to how many people can be in it. does skype have that?
[23:36] Aaron: since it has text chat as well apparently?
[23:36] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: skype has text chat, yeah
[23:36] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: and it logs everything
[23:36] Adri//Fiona: those of us with mics can speak, but those without can type and we'll read
[23:36] Aaron: right
[23:36] Teef: yes that
[23:36] Ryushikaze: Dunno about a limit of anything though
[23:36] Adri//Fiona: we do this already
[23:36] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: so as long as youve been invited into the convo even if you d/c youll still be able to read everything
[23:36] Brent: eh
[23:36] alejandro: its been good guys.im off to bed. il see you all tomorrow
[23:36] Brent: for the purposes of the convo
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[23:36] Brent: it'll be text only
[23:37] Ryushikaze: I'd recommend all on chat, just so we have an actual record, if that's an issue
[23:37] Brent: we dont need people talking to text messages
[23:37] Brent: that's just ridiculous
[23:37] Christian: yeah
[23:37] Aaron: right fair enough
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[23:37] CK: meggy kimble
[23:37] Omega - Sea of space: System: The mobile client you attempted to add to the conversation does not support multi-party conversations. Your conversation has been limited to you and one party
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[23:37] Teef: lol
[23:37] CK: haha
[23:37] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: gdi kimble
[23:38] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: laakdfa
[23:38] Christian: rofl
[23:38] Aaron: fucks sake
[23:38] Teef: isnt he on his phone
[23:38] Adri//Fiona: yes
[23:38] Kristen: lol, brent maybe just message him in private for now
[23:38] Brent: why me?!?
[23:38] Kristen: also I agree with it being just a text chat for the record
[23:38] smugleaf: because you are the one that makes him doki
[23:38] Teef: then thats why /mon
[23:38] Aaron: honestly i should probably add that i took the fact that no one was talking to me anymore off the boards personally
[23:38] Aaron: i shouldnt have
[23:38] Aaron: but well
[23:38] Aaron: i was depressed
[23:38] Brent: leora
[23:38] Brent: I kill you
[23:38] Aaron: so i assumed it meant they didnt like me anymore or something
[23:38] smugleaf: :3
[23:39] CK: I hate you aaron just like I hate everyone else
[23:39] CK: like brent
[23:39] Aaron: lulz
[23:39] CK: but with less love
[23:39] Aaron: lulz
[23:39] smugleaf: < 3<
[23:39] Kefka_69: LOL
[23:39] smugleaf: i make a homestuck
[23:39] CK: wtf is that
[23:39] smugleaf: kismesistude
[23:39] Kristen: get yer homestuck out of here
[23:39] smugleaf: ;O;
[23:40] CK: ^
[23:40] smugleaf: so b s............
[23:40] Kefka_69: LOL
[23:40] CK: I agree with belle for once
[23:40] Kefka_69: it would be interesting to have a Kismesis
[23:40] Teef: mako likes homestuck
[23:40] Teef: OAO
[23:40] smugleaf: i think you can apply the qudrant to literally anything
[23:40] smugleaf: quadrants*
[23:40] Carla Francely: I'll brake my silenec to agree with Kripey as well
[23:40] Kristen: oh crap there's another one
[23:40] Serah: STFU KRIPES
[23:40] Kristen: at least there's no ponies
[23:41] Adri//Fiona: Tiff and Mako, instantly best friend due to homestuck
[23:41] Teef: omg stop
[23:41] CK: what is homestuck?
[23:41] CK: and why do people even like it?
[23:41] Kefka_69: XDDDD
[23:41] smugleaf: LET ME TELL YOU
[23:41] Teef: lol
[23:41] smugleaf: ABOUT
[23:41] smugleaf: HOMESTUCK
[23:41] Kristen: nooooo tony
[23:41] Kristen: noooo
[23:41] CK: looks pretty stupid to me
[23:41] Ryushikaze: Well, fine then, no pony rides for YOU
[23:41] Teef: i liked mako because of YGO gawd /awesom
[23:41] Kefka_69: its rather hilarious and interesting that's why
[23:41] smugleaf: mako who is your patron troll
[23:41] Teef: AIIIIBOOOU
[23:41] Ryushikaze: If we're going to derail this into 'Webcomics YOU HAVE TO READ' at least make them ones folks don't already know
[23:41] CK: that explains nothing
[23:41] smugleaf: im gonna ruin this chat now
[23:42] CK: I don't know any webcomics
[23:42] CK: what are those?
[23:42] CK: I avoid the rest of the internet because tiff links bad things
[23:42] Kristen: they're like comics
[23:42] Kristen: only on the web
[23:42] Teef: LOL omg
[23:42] Teef: i do not!
[23:42] Teef: I link cute puppies >:C
[23:42] Kristen: you haven't met sami apparently
[23:42] CK: right
[23:42] Kristen: sami links some pretty traumatizing stuff
[23:42] Teef: DAKUN LINKS BAD STUFF
[23:43] Teef: ALL THE TIME
[23:43] Serah: shut up kripey
[23:43] Teef: LIKE CLOWNS
[23:43] Serah: you link worse stuff
[23:43] Brent: cry moar about your clowns
[23:43] CK: (Link: http://reversegif.com/lp_o)http://reversegif.com/lp_o
[23:43] Serah: do i need to mention HOMESTUCK GIF….
[23:43] Teef: omg
[23:43] Teef: kripey
[23:43] Teef: never
[23:43] CK: just throwing that one out there
[23:43] Teef: forgiving u
[23:43] smugleaf: wait mako are you karkat
[23:43] Kefka_69: Terezi, but I'm a cancer so Karkat is the one I relate to most
[23:43] Teef: why did i click that again
[23:43] CK: ;D
[23:43] Ryushikaze: Right, I'm going to culture the lot of you by force and/or mad science if I must
[23:43] smugleaf: im a cancer so karkat
[23:44] Kristen: It was one of my crowning achievements
[23:44] smugleaf: but aradia is my bb girl
[23:44] Teef: im aradia <3
[23:44] smugleaf: luckkkyyyy
[23:44] Teef: but then apparently our signs changed LOL
[23:44] smugleaf: aradia is my favorite baby
[23:44] Aaron: im bored of being nathan explosion, should i switch back to an old un (if so which one) or come up with something new? if so what? (note I have never played RE)
[23:44] Ryushikaze: (Link: http://www.webcomicsnation.com/shaen...&chapter=14156
[23:44] smugleaf: and kanaya
[23:44] Teef: so now im feferi
[23:44] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: im off for the night
[23:44] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: later all
[23:44] Ryushikaze: YOU. WILL. READ. THAT.
[23:44] Aaron: g'nite
[23:44] smugleaf: wait the signs changed
[23:44] Kristen: night kat
[23:44] smugleaf: when
[23:44] Kathryn - Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids.: good talkin to ya
[23:44] Teef: BE A GARGOYLE AARON
[23:44] smugleaf: night
[23:44] Aaron: havent seen that either
[23:44] smugleaf: when did the signs change??
[23:44] Teef: yeah they added a new one
[23:44] Ryushikaze: ALSO. DIGGER. IT'S. A. GOOD. COMIC.
[23:44] smugleaf: what
[23:44] Aaron: i had a deprived conversation
[23:44] Teef: so everyones signs like
[23:44] Teef: shifted
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[23:44] Serah: link , tiff?
[23:44] Aaron: not everyone, i am still a leo
[23:44] Aaron: not that i care at all
[23:44] Teef: umm let me find
[23:45] Adri//Fiona: I want to read homestuck
[23:45] Kristen: wait the homestucks are according to astro signs
[23:45] Adri//Fiona: but ugh first act
[23:45] Kristen: I'm a virgo what does that make me
[23:45] smugleaf: kanaya
[23:45] Aaron: i kind of want to read homestuck but the shipping wars scare the shit out of me
[23:45] smugleaf: lesbian with a chainsaw
[23:45] Aaron: it depends when you were born
[23:45] Aaron: its not a 1:1 ratio between signs
[23:45] smugleaf: ignore the fandom
[23:45] Ryushikaze: Did the signs shift forwards are backards?
[23:45] Teef: (Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011403094.html
[23:45] smugleaf: even i dont like the fandom
[23:45] Aaron: i cant even remember
[23:45] smugleaf: they are so fucking dumb
[23:45] Ryushikaze: Especially that section of the fandom on TLS, nyuk nyuk
[23:45] Aaron: its still based on birthdate, but the divisions are different
[23:45] Teef: and the new one is called uhh Ophiuchus
[23:46] Ryushikaze: New old one
[23:46] Kristen: oh yeah right. new zodiac. how dumb
[23:46] smugleaf: why did they do this thing
[23:46] Aaron: who knows
[23:46] Teef: yeah i still consider myself an aries so FUCK THAT
[23:46] Brent: wait
[23:46] Aaron: why does astrology even exist
[23:46] Brent: they changed the dates?
[23:46] Brent: why?
[23:46] Aaron: yes
[23:46] Kristen: god this is like when they took Pluto's planetary rights away
[23:46] Aaron: idk
[23:46] Brent: why would you do this
[23:46] Aaron: but we're both still leos brent
[23:46] Ryushikaze: So, apparently, my ENTIRE PERSONALITY CHANGED according to the new zodiac
[23:46] Kristen: forever traumatized by this
[23:47] Teef: lol this news is so old!!! XD
[23:47] Ryushikaze: I was a Cappy, now I'm a Saggy
[23:47] Kristen: lol ryu
[23:47] smugleaf: YEP THATS SCIENCE RYU
[23:47] Brent: SHUT UP TIFF YOU FUCKING WHORE
[23:47] Aaron: actually i think its not supposed to apply for people who were born before a certain time period?
[23:47] Aaron: but im not sure
[23:47] Teef: WOW
[23:47] Teef: WOW
[23:47] Brent: I WILL LEAVE YOU MORE PRESENTS
[23:47] Teef: WOW
[23:47] Teef: WOW
[23:47] Aaron: if that includes us
[23:47] Teef: WOW
[23:47] smugleaf: look at us bonding over homestuck
[23:47] CK: im now lost
[23:47] Ryushikaze: I do recall there being much amusement IRL at how unlike me the troll who had my sign was
[23:47] Serah: whoa calm down now
[23:47] smugleaf: we should do that homestuck read along
[23:47] Serah: no presetns need to be given
[23:47] Ryushikaze: Karkat, was it?
[23:47] Serah: unless they are nice ones
[23:47] Kefka_69: I don't care what The Man says, I'll always be a cancer
[23:47] Aaron: who is the leo troll anyway?
[23:47] Teef: KARKAT IS THE BEST
[23:47] Kefka_69: no one can change that
[23:48] CK: yes mako you are the cancer killing tls
[23:48] smugleaf: nepeta teh furry lj shipper
[23:48] smugleaf: the*
[23:48] Aaron: lawl
[23:48] Teef: lolll
[23:48] Christian: I'm going to leave. *I can only take so much of MSN.
[23:48] Aaron: aight later man
[23:48] CK: fuck you road
[23:48] smugleaf: awww okay
[23:48] Serah: rood
[23:48] Teef: gooodbbaii
[23:48] CK: bye chris
[23:48] Teef: yeah rood
[23:48] Kefka_69: awww well take care
[23:48] Kefka_69: goodnight!
[23:48] Christian: </3 to the haters.
[23:48] Teef: xD
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[23:49] Aaron: right i should definitely be off too, i have work in the morning
[23:49] Aaron: this time for real i guess
[23:49] smugleaf: i'm gonna just be away for a bit
[23:49] Teef: sleep is bad for you
[23:49] Kefka_69: sadly I probably should too, but I will be around later
[23:49] CK: all you people leaving
[23:49] smugleaf: but i shall return maybe
[23:49] Kefka_69: and again it was great talking to all of you
[23:49] Ryushikaze: You know what, E>. Cuz I'm a REBEL
[23:49] CK: (im leaving to be social soon)
[23:49] Kefka_69: its good to hear we have more in common than we thought ^^
[23:49] Ryushikaze: btw, Anyone else longhand that?
[23:49] smugleaf: : )
[23:49] Aaron: indeed it is
[23:50] Teef: (=B
[23:50] Adri//Fiona: let's all hold hands
[23:50] Ryushikaze: I totally tell my girl I less than three her
[23:50] Adri//Fiona: and sing
[23:50] CK: no adri
[23:50] Adri//Fiona: YES TONY
[23:50] Aaron: is someone going to paste this into the staff forum or should i do it?
[23:50] CK: im not touching you
[23:50] Brent: homestuck sucks
[23:50] Adri//Fiona: I WIL HOLD YOUR HAND, TONY
[23:50] Brent: bite me
[23:50] Aaron: it should probably be someone who didnt get d/ced actually
[23:50] Adri//Fiona: COME HERE
[23:50] CK: after you disowned me
[23:50] smugleaf: i used to say less than three all the time in high school
[23:50] smugleaf: UM NO BRENT
[23:50] Teef: I WILL HOLD YOUR OTHER HAND TONY
[23:50] smugleaf: YOU SUCK
[23:50] Brent: CRY MOAR FAGGOT
[23:50] Ryushikaze: I can do it
[23:50] Teef: AND THEN SAMIS
[23:50] Aaron: thanks
[23:50] smugleaf: FUUUUCK YOOOOOOU
[23:50] Brent: GB2 YOUR MOTORCYCLES AND CREW CUTS YOU GODDAMN DYKE
[23:50] CK: tiff can hold my hand
[23:50] CK: but adri, no
[23:50] Teef: :3
[23:50] Teef: lol
[23:50] smugleaf: NO IM A CLASSY LADY
[23:51] smugleaf: WHO IS GOING TO SHIT ON YOUR FACE
[23:51] Ryushikaze: Classily, though
[23:51] smugleaf: i will fart mozart
[23:51] Kristen: ew
[23:51] smugleaf: okay i will be back a bit later
[23:51] serahs@live.com: okay
[23:51] smugleaf: bye for now
[23:51] CK: later leora
[23:52] Kristen: byye
[23:52] smugleaf: < 3
[23:52] Aaron: aight
[23:52] Aaron: later
[23:52] Brent: Leora
[23:52] Ryushikaze: Yeah, if you're gonna far, fart Chopin
[23:52] Brent: you have disgusting fetishes
[23:52] Teef: byeee zeeee
[23:52] Kefka_69: if anyone needs me I'll probably be around later at night past midnight and all
[23:52] Kefka_69: take care!
[23:52] Adri//Fiona: bye Leora
[23:52] Kristen: later mako
[23:52] Teef: byeee maaakooo
[23:52] Aaron: yeah i'm leaving as well. later everyone, it was nice *talking* to some of you for the first time in
[23:52] Aaron: idk how long
[23:52] CK: later mako
[23:52] serahs@live.com: bye mako
[23:52] smugleaf: bye mako, bye aaron bye aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall
[23:52] CK: later aaron
[23:52] Teef: bye aaron
[23:52] smugleaf: (for now)
[23:52] Adri//Fiona: adios Mako
[23:52] serahs@live.com: and aaron
[23:52] CK: aaron freed sux cox imho
[23:52] Aaron: btw those of you who dont have me on msn already should add me
[23:52] Aaron: ill return your requests when i get back tomorrow or whatever
[23:52] Teef: I HAVE EVERYONE ADDED MUAHAHA
[23:53] Aaron: anyway yeah, later everyone, take care
[23:53] Brent: imma leave group convo too
[23:53] Brent: headache
[23:53] Teef: >:C
[23:53] Ryushikaze: Later Aaron, Brent
[23:53] Kristen: I have work early tomorrow ;.;
[23:53] Teef: omg its already 11 O_O no wonder im so hungry
[23:53] serahs@live.com: go eat
[23:54] Kristen: I'm not leaving yet though I don't think
[23:54] serahs@live.com: i should probably too xD
[23:54] Teef: im waiting for my step mom to go to sleep
[23:54] Kristen: yes everyone go eat
[23:54] *** Kefka_69 has left the conversation.
[23:54] serahs@live.com: how long tiff
[23:54] CK: im going now too
[23:54] Kristen: later tony
[23:54] *** Brent has left the conversation.
[23:54] serahs@live.com: bye tony
[23:54] CK: this is my social day
[23:54] Teef: IDK BITCH SHOULD BE ASLEEP BY NOW
[23:54] Teef: bye tony =(
[23:54] Kristen: have fun with your ~real~ friends
[23:54] serahs@live.com: WELL LET ME KNOW
[23:54] Kristen: psh
[23:54] CK: where I go out into the real world
[23:54] serahs@live.com: i'll eat when you do
[23:54] Teef: yeah ahve fun with your REAL LIFE
[23:54] Kristen: be careful out there tony
[23:54] Teef: idk what those are
[23:54] Teef: but they sound disappointing =(
[23:55] CK: well my internet life is actually my real life and idk what this other life is I have
[23:55] CK: nothing really happens in it
[23:55] CK: anyway bye
[23:55] Ryushikaze: I have too many lives
[23:55] *** ceek@live.com.au has left the conversation.
[23:55] Ryushikaze: They don't display properly in the life counter any more.
[23:55] Ryushikaze: I have Squiggle bit of Sky lives
[23:55] Kristen: I only have one life and I've fucked it up
[23:56] Ryushikaze: Enter the Contra Code
[23:56] Teef: im ghost
[23:56] Carla Francely: Was it good?
[23:57] Ryushikaze: (Link: https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos...71642668_n.jpg
[23:59] *** Carla Francely has left the conversation.
[00:00] Teef: well guys im going now still have to wait 14123414 hours it takes for the she demon to go to sleep
[00:00] Teef: PEACE
[00:00] *** Teef has left the conversation.
[00:02] Ryushikaze: Did she means herself in reference to her new name, or was she referencing something in her personal life that has eluded my attention?
[00:02] Kristen: lol her step mom
[00:03] Ryushikaze: Thought so
[00:03] Ryushikaze: Had she not just named herself 'Demona' I wouldn't have asked
[00:03] Ryushikaze: She really needs to be able to move out.
[00:03] Kristen: yeah she does
[00:04] Kristen: a lot of us need that
[00:04] Kristen: unfortunately we have to get jobs that give us enough moneys
[00:04] Ryushikaze: I can understand the difficulties there
[00:05] Ryushikaze: Not living with my parents at all since graduation has been a small point of pride for me
[00:05] Kristen: yeah I'm too old for this shit
[00:06] Ryushikaze: Keep up that attitude and you'll be two weeks from retirement
[00:07] Ryushikaze: And nothing good happens when you're two weeks from retirement
[00:11] Kristen: I wish I was close to retirement :mon
[00:11] *** serahs@live.com has left the conversation.
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Old 06/15/2012   #10
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God, I haven't been on msn for half a year.
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Old 06/15/2012   #11
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God why the fuck am I responding to this now it's 3:30 am GO TO SLEEP RISH............

Fangu wrote: We newer members don't 'jump in' into your conflicts for shit stirring, or betterknowing, or taking side or whatever. (I'm not saying anyone said that, I'm saying that judging by the comebacks I've had to some of my (and others) posts, we are simply not welcome at all into the debate.) We do it because we get affected by whatever happens on the forum, and we want to weigh in because we as members of the community, feel we should - and we care! When someone gives the impression of being really hurt, well yes, there's an instinct in me to try to mediate with my POV, if I feel what I'm thinking hasn't been said in the debate.

So please don't be surprised when newer members weighs in on disputes. And we have a right. Why? Because it clogs up the forum and makes the atmosphere in here very bad. This forum is open publicly for anyone to register. If you don't want it that way, then make it a closed forum?
I understand this complaint. I think the issue in this situation for me (can't speak for anybody else) was that there were a lot of flagrantly stupid posts being made. Some completely missing the point, some making it seem like they weren't reading posts, some just flat out stupid as hell etc.

But I can say that I definitely did read every post that was made and did try, to the best of my ability, to take them to heart. For example - Sprites' post saying that it was pretty fucked up that Ryu was being put on trial. Despite my whole anger at the situation, I did see that post and took it to heart and have made it known in two posts that I agree that was unfair.

Neither do you seem to want to get to know me. I remember I was at work once and I got a group call from someone on Skype, I saw there was 3 people I haven't spoken to yet and I got excited - only to seee the call being hung up (twice!) saying 'oops, that was a mistake'. Which makes me think you don't want to get to know anyone outside your circle either. That goes for people some might consider to be on 'my side' as well. People sit on their opposite hills and glare at each other. They make up opinions about each other which to some extent is true, only you're just seeing 15% of their personalities.
I think this is the sort of situation that is really going to differ with everyone who comes here. For an outsider looking in, this place can seem pretty insular. Justifiably so - many members have known each other for years and can't help the casual nature they refer to another. Due to this, a lot of things here we tend to take for granted. For example, when I first registered here I had absolutely no clue how to react to Dacon.

For the record, I have been on this site from almost the beginning (reg date: Dec 2008). Even then it seemed many of the members had already known each other for a long time. I'm not the type of person who really makes friends all that easily, and it probably wasn't until late 2010 when I started regularly talking to members off-site.

It's just generally a weird social situation to be put in. Breaking in to the mold can be difficult for anyone. Some people will have an easier time than others. But there definitely are a few members who have done so. For example, people like me, Sammi/Serah and Kristen/Tifabelle are pretty new in terms of the breadth and scope of the history of the community. But we've all managed to do it. Some of us faster than others.

I hope this was a remotely helpful post bluh
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Old 06/15/2012   #12
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http://thelifestream.net/forums/show...?p=569#post569

Lol, look at this n00b.
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Old 06/15/2012   #13
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WOW WHY DID I QUOTE U2 I DON'T EVEN LIKE U2

rip a young rishi who seemed to think u2 was cool (and also used good grammar)
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Old 06/15/2012   #14
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Hi I just want to say that the msn chat helped A LOT it was nice talking with all of you and expressing how we really felt so that you guys could truly see it and respond to it. We found out a lot about one another we didn't know, I hope this all gets resolved completely in future chats because the last chat went so well. Everyone was nice, respectful, we even had a few laughs. I believe that everyone on staff present in the convo was genuinely sorry/willing to listen and that felt really nice. I think we all had a lot pent up inside of us (I know I did, Rishi obviously did too) and took it out on staff because we weren't communicating properly at all. With the chat that was fast paced and bringing everything to everyone's attention... it was easier to understand one another and DaKun is awesome for convincing everyone to do so in the first place. I really feel like a lot of weights are lifted now... I think I could probably trust most of staff again.

@Fangu -
I never felt that newer members were not allowed to comment! In my opinion, everyone is welcome to offer up their comments. I think the frustration was coming from that people were jumping in when they had no idea about why the people involved were upset. They were reading the situation completely incorrectly, I think some people were annoyed by the fact that people were judging those complaining about the staff without even knowing them at all, and acting like they've been around for longer and know our ticks//quirks. A lot of us vs the staff were all members that have been here for a long time and experienced unfairness//hurt feelings. To have someone to walk in without knowing about the situation, knowing about the people on a more personal level, can be frustrating. But you are definitely always welcomed to have your say new member or old member. And I take everyone's opinion into consideration, personally. It doesn't matter if you're new or not. ^^; If you'd like to chat with 'a great old one' hit me up any time, I love chatting with people and getting to know them. I'd never say "ugh you're new just leave me alone"
In fact when Tifabelle and Serah first joined this site I was quick to comment on their profiles and we hit it off very nicely. They've become my best friends. They were awesome new members and now are awesome older members. Everyone starts 'new'. ^^;

Lol.. I like how my default name is Teef in that convo. XD; Erm, anyway I apologize for my spammy posts and my past passive aggressive behavior. It's how I lash out, unfortunately. After so much pent up frustration, it was hard not to but still... it was no excuse for such silly behaviour.
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Old 06/15/2012   #15
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In regards to the convo last night, I can honestly say that it sort of put my mind at ease about a lot of things - or at least the general direction of things. By no means is everything all rainbows and butterflies, but we've opened the communications and we're all ready to try to make things better. Which is all anyone has ever wanted. I'm really gung-ho about moving forward with this and everyone talking about their issues and concerns.

And I want to thank Dacon for coming up with the idea and initiating the convo. This is why I nom'd him to go back to staff. I know he comes across as rough around the edges sometimes with his posts (cause he's not afraid to say shit), but he gets shit done, is fair, and is also not afraid to call people out. /campaigning

@ Fangu-
I hear where you're coming from, and I do actually feel bad if anyone has made newer members feel like they can't post. But you have to understand that it is frustrating when someone who doesn't understand the situation comes into a conversation trying to input their opinion. (And it wasn't just newer members btw). Plus, there is a lot of "leftover" frustration and bitterness from past issues that have never truly been resolved. And comments telling people to "get over it" or that someone is just "stirring up drama" or w/e don't help. (not that's what everyone does, but sometimes it comes off that way.) And it just adds to the level of craziness despite the attempt to try to cool things off. Imagine being upset about something, and someone comes along and tells you to calm down. Even with good intentions, it can actually have the opposite effect. Sometimes you just gotta let people fight stuff out and let them talk it out. I've expressed multiple times that I like most (if not all) of the staff, but that doesn't prevent me from disagreeing with them once in a while. Closing threads or (basically) telling people to get over it doesn't really solve any of the inherit problems. Which is why it keeps happening again and again.

I hate it when drama happens. I really do. I just want to post about games and shit, and talk to my friends, and laugh with fellow members. I don't want to deal with all this bullshit. But I'm also not going to sit on my hands if I don't think something is right. Shit is going to happen, that's just the way of it when you have a group of people that are around each other all the time. And I never had a problem with staff either until a few months back. I was voicing my opinion, and was completely shocked and enraged by the response back from staff. I had never caused any trouble on the board so I was really upset at the reaction I got back. I don't think I've ever lost my cool the way when that happened. And I think a lot of the issues from that have never really been resolved.

Seeing the names who got together in that chat, and sorta rethinking my last months here, rethinking the comments I've had to some of my posts, and also rethinking the post I wrote that got reported, I've come to realize that to the older members I haven't chatted with elsewhere than TLS, I am just another newbie, and the things I say or do won't really be appreciated or taken into consideration. I'll just be 'bzzz fly go away'.

Neither do you seem to want to get to know me. I remember I was at work once and I got a group call from someone on Skype, I saw there was 3 people I haven't spoken to yet and I got excited - only to seee the call being hung up (twice!) saying 'oops, that was a mistake'. Which makes me think you don't want to get to know anyone outside your circle either. That goes for people some might consider to be on 'my side' as well. People sit on their opposite hills and glare at each other. They make up opinions about each other which to some extent is true, only you're just seeing 15% of their personalities.
And one of the things we discussed was something like movie night or something for us all to get together with. Something away from the forum that we can all just relax and hang out. And at least from my own thoughts, I meant that for anyone interested, not just the people in the chat.

I know that was the idea behind drunken Fridays, and I actually do think it was a good idea. (also I don't care for drunk people .) ngl, I tried getting more people on IRC, but they weren't really interested and I just gave up on the whole thing.

Personally, I'm looking forward to something like a movie night, and I hope that once we can talk some things out, we can implement that. But you (general "you") has to let us have the opportunity to work out our problems. And trust me, I think we can all agree that one msn convo, although a step in the right direction, hasn't magically made everything all rainbows and butterflies. But I do think a lot of us feel better and have hope for moving forward and changing. It was sort of like a collective deep breath that we desperately needed.
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