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Old 09/16/2017   #1
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Default Did Shinra burn Nibelheim?

When I was recording footage for the Kotaku thing, I noticed this. If you leave the mansion when you wake up, before going down to the basement when Sephiroth goes mad, Zangan is there, and says this.




I was always under the impression Sephiroth killed everyone and set the place on fire, but this makes me think Shinra showed up and started covering things up before Sephiroth left the mansion.
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Old 09/16/2017   #2
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The Shinra are really bad at eliminating any information that could be an embarassment to the company.

I assumed Zangan was talking about some event that had taken place in the past, not that the Shinra were there now; I wondered if it was possibly some kind of hint about Vincent. When he says, "You pick these things up when you travel as much as I do," it sounds as if he got his information from somewhere other than Nibelheim.
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Old 09/16/2017   #3
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^ Same. I feel like it's just foreshadowing of the fact that ShinRa's gonna rebuild Nibelheim to cover up Seph's doing.
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Old 09/16/2017   #4
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Could just be him giving an exceedingly cynical take on why Sephiroth, Zack and Cloud themselves are there in Nibelheim, it was a leaky valve in the reactor that made things unsafe.
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Old 09/16/2017   #5
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^This made me laugh.
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Old 09/16/2017   #6
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Brandon Stark wrote: Could just be him giving an exceedingly cynical take on why Sephiroth, Zack and Cloud themselves are there in Nibelheim, it was a leaky valve in the reactor that made things unsafe.
Brilliant. That makes the most sense.
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Old 09/16/2017   #7
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I don't understand why Shinra personnel would already be in place to cover up Sephiroth's mess before it even happened... if that were the case, it really begs the question in why they wouldn't just incapacitate him then and there before the insanity really took hold. After Genesis and Angeal's defection, I'm sure there would be measures in place to have Sephiroth killed or imprisoned should the need arise.

At least, that's what I would do if I were President Shinra.
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Old 09/18/2017   #8
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Maybe it's just my memory, but I also never understood the impetus for the whole neo-Nibelheim charade either. It's not like much will come of it if the company suffers some bad PR. And they've done far worse and more direct things than produce a rogue agent.
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Old 09/18/2017   #9
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Didn't Tseng explicitly tell Zack that company policy was to erase all evidence of misconduct in Banora?
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Old 09/18/2017   #10
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Probably, but I also blocked out most of Crisis Core as I do with most traumatic events .

I guess my real question is, considering that ShinRa's abuses are rife and misconduct is a rule and no secret, why even bother. Considering that they've either supplanted or ingratiated themselves so thoroughly with most bodies of governance (on a global scale), what precisely is the average person going to do.
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Old 09/18/2017   #11
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The difference between Banora/Corel etc and Nibelheim is that Shin-Ra meant to destroy the former. Sephiroth destroying Nibelheim is outside of their intention. Plus the fact that their poster boy Sephiroth was the one who went rogue is extremely bad business. They prolly calculated the cost between PR-ing against Seph vs. the cost of replacing a backwater town.

Or...SE just wanted to make the story convoluted in FF7 by bringing Cloud and co. to a perfectly fine Nibelheim despite his recount of it being destroyed.
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Old 09/18/2017   #12
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Random Nobody wrote: Maybe it's just my memory, but I also never understood the impetus for the whole neo-Nibelheim charade either. It's not like much will come of it if the company suffers some bad PR. And they've done far worse and more direct things than produce a rogue agent.
They clearly managed to spin PR on the whole Wutai war thing raising Sephiroth up as a hero worshipped by all. And this was before Gongaga and Corel (I feel Shin-Ra got sloppy as years went by).
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Old 09/18/2017   #13
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^^^

"The newspapers reported that Sephiroth was dead, but Shinra owns the newspapers..." doesn't really mix well with "What fire? Nothing happened here, everything is normal!"

Like, what was the story? How did Shinra originally spin the 'ultimate hero of ultimate destiny has kerplotzed' scoop?

"We know that many of you have enlisted your sons and daughters into the SOLDIER program. Not to worry any of you, but the public face of this experimental surgery has died at the age of 30. Of... something besides madness. In... Notbelheim."
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Old 09/18/2017   #14
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Random Nobody wrote: Probably, but I also blocked out most of Crisis Core as I do with most traumatic events .

I guess my real question is, considering that ShinRa's abuses are rife and misconduct is a rule and no secret, why even bother. Considering that they've either supplanted or ingratiated themselves so thoroughly with most bodies of governance (on a global scale), what precisely is the average person going to do.
The game tries to highlight a difference between President Shinra and his son Rufus: the President won't baulk at any atrocity but then spends a fortune covering it up so that the public will believe Shinra is kind and good. Rufus thinks it would be cheaper and more efficient to rule by fear: make a public example of a few people, and then neither expensive atrocities nor expensive cover-ups are needed.

Exactly why the President needs the public to believe Shinra is benevolent is a bit of a mystery, but clearly comes from something in his psyche rather than consulting with reality. Rufus has a much better handle on reality than his dad. Shinra has a total monopoly both on generating power and delivering it. The only way to avoid their grasp is by going offline, like Cosmo Canyon or Gongaga. In this scenario, there really isn't anything that is 'bad for business', since it's not as if people have an alternative supplier they can turn to. It's a bit like Amazon, I guess.
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Old 09/19/2017   #15
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demonwolf wrote:
Or...SE just wanted to make the story convoluted in FF7 by bringing Cloud and co. to a perfectly fine Nibelheim despite his recount of it being destroyed.
....Well, SE loves nothing if not convolution (and let's be honest: the writing in the OG never was the tightest), so this actually is probably the best meta explanation for it.

But even if we accept that there's some compelling reason ShinRa needs to execute a cover-up (whatever it may be), seems to me there are less absurd and inefficient ways to go about it.

As far as I remember, the company didn't go out of its way to assassinate people connected to the village (there was ostensibly a significant number who'd moved out before the incident), so it's hard to see exactly what they were accomplishing. I guess it's down to how economically/geographically/socially significant Nibelheim was or was not. I'd guess it wasn't very, being a mountain podunk with no manufacturing power in the middle of nowhere, but if it were important enough to be noticed if wiped off the map...using explosives and burying the town in rocks or something seems a lot cheaper and less involved. Publicly claiming it was lost to natural disaster cannot possibly be messier and more doomed to failure than building Twilight Zone town.
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