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Old 08/13/2010   #46
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That approach, while good on paper, isn't nearly as good in practice. Turning into basically "talk about whatever you want!" forum gives people literally no reason to come here at all apart from the friendliness of our community (meaning that no one will come )

Spread yourself that thin and you'll have the classic jack-of-all-trades curse: master of none.

The movie week is a great pastime for the members we have, but it wouldn't really draw anyone else. Having great coverage of "Stuff" (whatever 'stuff' we finally decide on, FF7, FF, video games) is what will draw people.

I'm hesitant to expand the view much further than Final Fantasy.
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Old 08/13/2010   #47
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No, I'm saying that if we expand the view beyond just FF, then it's going to draw people in, especially if it's of the same quantity and quality as with the Compilation stuff.

Example: I'm sure if a concerted effort to cover CT was made, a shit-ton of people would make their way over, especially if there's maybe one or two things they've not seen before (although this is unlikely, all things considered, I know). But more content is going to translate into more content. Not saying 'ohey, open the floodgates rite now', just that slowly opening them up to more things is going to generate traffic.

Random example: Suppose an effort was made to appeal to fans of Lost. Alex can comment on this

And even so, it's fine to talk about "master of none" and spreading one's self thin - but what we're doing now isn't working, and we all know it.

The Movie Night is there to keep the people that the other content draws in, btw. Why stay here when there's a lot of other places to go? Simple - make it more homey and get them involved in the actual community aspect, so that they bother to care to hang around.



O YEAH EDIT: I just remembered part of what I wanted to say - I've been dying to do a Let's Play type thing for FFX. Back when I first got the International version, with its new stuff and Dark Aeons, etc, I wanted to do a sort of video series entailing the preparation for and fights with the Dark Aeons (this was like six years ago, so I was still a moody and pretentious teenager and the name "Diary of Atonement" sounded like a great name for it back then ). Anyway, I want to get a new PS2 that can play it soon, because I'm fucking DYING to replay the game, and would love to do a Let's Play thing for it, and would gladly do so as part of new site content.

Assuming someone would show me how to record it, that is.
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Old 08/14/2010   #48
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Can't say I really like that idea either, Omega. Going into a general gaming site; there are a MILLION of those. I think it's spreading ourselves way too thin (we'd have to get Staff ready and willing, and actively working all the time to cover all of gaming all the time), and I'm telling you right now I have no personal interest in covering all of gaming, I don't even have the energy for it.

If nothing else, I think we should at least start smaller, and if the horizon proves otherwise, sure. But going from FFVII to GENERAL GAMING, I don't have the stones for it, honestly. I'll be straight up; just not interested.

but what we're doing now isn't working, and we all know it.
BTW, what we're doing now isn't working is because of our approach, not the idea. Places like Chrono Compendium do the exact same thing we do, but they're more successful because their focus is there to the 10th degree.
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Old 08/14/2010   #49
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I'll remember to just keep my opinions to myself next time.
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Old 08/14/2010   #50
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I'll remember to just keep my opinions to myself next time.
Nobody is going to agree with everyone all of the time. That doesn't mean that opinions aren't worth sharing. I respect you, I respect your idea, but I don't agree with it. That's not a strike against you, your ideas, your intelligence or anything, or you as a person. I'm just being honest and straightforward.

Gee, aren't we all adults here, dude?
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Old 08/14/2010   #51
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No. It's annoying to have an entire slew of ideas ignored because you don't agree with one generalized statement. I'm not a three year old.

I get the "don't want to be a general gaming site" thing. But at least do me the courtesy of responding to the rest of it. =/
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Old 08/14/2010   #52
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I wanted to give the implication that if I didn't specifically disagree with it, it was a worthy idea worth considering. I should have gave you the consideration of responding to the entirety of your thoughts, but at the same time I know everyone isn't expecting the "WHAT A GREAT IDEA" treatment for every good idea pitched, either. No disrespect meant.
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Old 08/14/2010   #53
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Old 08/14/2010   #54
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Cthulhu wrote: It'd constitute as interesting (in my book) if this Rob fellow could haxor into the game and find secret 'deleted scenes' that possibly would influence the story in an odd fashion, for example. Nothing personal, .
Those weren't random bugs it was part of a disassembly. And if there are deleted scenes in there, I'm sure he could find them
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Old 08/14/2010   #55
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Anyway, the main reason I don’t think getting rid of the compilation forums is a good idea is because having them makes the site look comprehensive. Even if they’re dead, the fact that they exist makes it plain to people who join the site that TLS takes the compilation seriously and regards it as an integral part of its raison d’être. Now, as I said, they don’t have to be top-level fora; they can be subfora, it’s fine. But they should still be there. If people come here and don’t see fora for each Compilation entry, it makes the place looks like a half-assed site that doesn’t care about complete coverage.

As long as we’re talking about translations, does anyone have any idea if it would be possible to translate Before Crisis and make it playable via emulation? I’m pretty sure that would be something that would drag a lot of fresh blood to the site. If there are legal barriers to this that would be likely to get us a cease and desist order then disregard this suggestion.

I have some other ideas to liven up the forums specifically, but I’m pretty sure people on staff cba to implement them. Given the power I’d be willing to revamp things quite a bit. I’m not interested in changing the politics of the way this place works any but there are some things that could make the forum experience quite a bit more comprehensive and interesting and judging from past actions I’m pretty sure the other people with the power to enact them are too lazy to do so
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Old 08/14/2010   #56
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I'd have to agree with Diego here, it might be a good idea to expand to other games to draw more members, but it can be taken in stride, like starting small, as MOG said. Also, it's prolly a good idea to also condense the Compilation down too, just to save space if you do decide to add more games, little by little. That's just me tho.

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Old 08/14/2010   #57
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n00b wrote: I really want to get a copy of the Settai Shoryu and have some of that scanned but unfortunately that's kinda pricey and I'm broke as a motherfucker right now. The last Ultimania I was able to purchase was..the Dissidia one a year ago.
That's why we get donations and have a big financial backer, i.e. me .

b00n wrote: I'm not sure of what's going on with FFXIV but FFXIII Versus has some potential. That's basically the only new S-E game I give a shit about right now, tbh.
XIV will definitely not be something anyone of us will want to spend time on, really.

star wrote: Secondly, what about some articles for the mainpage based on the kind of thing that Cracked do (or a more series specific example, like what they do on The Snake Soup). You know, funny or serious articles listing like Top 5 or Top 10 lists of things to do with the Final Fantasy series. 'Top 5 endings in the series', 'Top 10 most random, wtf moments' 'top 15 boss battles'. Little things like that which could inject some humour into the front page, alongside some discussion which could move some commenters to posting on the forum.
That could actually work - although it'd have to be good and unlame, unlike most of such articles are (when you look at it closely).

Diego wrote: As such, why not actually open TLS into a general gaming forum - to start with?
Most definitely not.

If you want to cover other video games and create content for it, I'm fine with that, but not on this frontpage as it is - it's a FF site, and it should stay that way, else it'll become a giant pile of random articles with no common denominator. Creating a new site / Wordpress installation if you or whoever can make the required content is trivial and much more effective in gaining visitors than having one site try to cover it all.

The alternative is to abandon the FF / Compilation thing altogether and use the TLS name to cover a broader array of video games. But even then I'm not too positive about it - we don't have the people with the dedication, as far as I know, to be able to provide lots of content for all those aspects.

Omega wrote: No, I'm saying that if we expand the view beyond just FF, then it's going to draw people in, especially if it's of the same quantity and quality as with the Compilation stuff.
Well, do we have the people and skillz for it? Lots of people have discussed the awesoem translations we've posted, but really, we only have one (1) regular translator here (as far as I know) who hasn't done anything for a while (not criticism) - we'd need at least half a dozen of those if we are to create enough content for other games as well.

Assuming someone would show me how to record it, that is.
Hook your TV up to your PC (use it as a monitor) and use a program like Fraps (or whatever) to record it, .

If there are legal barriers to this that would be likely to get us a cease and desist order then disregard this suggestion.
As far as I know, it's pervfectly legal to create phone emulators, . In fact, they probably exist already - what else would they use to develop the game? Getting the game wouldn't be directly possible from the site, but some hints would probably get most people going .

Given the power I’d be willing to revamp things quite a bit. I’m not interested in changing the politics of the way this place works any but there are some things that could make the forum experience quite a bit more comprehensive and interesting and judging from past actions I’m pretty sure the other people with the power to enact them are too lazy to do so
That's pretty vague, . What 'things' would that be, exactly? You don't need to be in staff to suggest things you know .
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Old 08/14/2010   #58
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creation of skinz, tweaks of the board to expand its functionality, stuff like that. Several of the other boards I poast at have customisations that allow users to customise the way the board works to their liking a lot more than is possible here - for example, they can put specific threads, signatures, etc. on ignore, or specify what parts of the board are visible. I can't even remember what all I installed while I was still on staff here but I know there's a lot of stuff I never got around to doing.

Basically, though, the more people can customise the way the board looks to them, the more likely they'll feel at home and want to stay. If TLS offers stuff other vBs don't offer besides just the discussion, it's going to feel that much more special.

edit: here's an overview of some stuff I think would be neat to consider adding (note that each word is a link)
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the bald man cry into the turtle stew, which I do believe my
sister ate. At least, I hope she did.” -Tyrion Lannister
“The management is very bad. In fact, let’s not mince words: The management is terrible!
We’ve had a string of embezzlers, frauds, liars, and lunatics making a string of catastrophic
decisions. This is a plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who appointed these
people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I’ll admit that
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century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious
incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without
question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous
and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was, ‘No.’” -V
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” -Thomas Pynchon
“All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.” -Adam Smith
“Why throw money at problems? That's what money is for. Should the nation's wealth be redistributed? It has been and continues to be redistributed to a few people in a manner strikingly unhelpful.” -Kurt Vonnegut
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” -John Steinbeck
“If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.” -Mikhail Bakunin
“In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” -Sun Tzu
“...pero Capitán, obedecer por obedecer, así, sin pensarlo... sólo lo hacen gentes como usted, Capitán.” -Dr Ferreiro, Pan’s Labyrinth
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Old 08/14/2010   #59
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Personally, I'm not sure what to think of this site turning into a general gaming site; because while it would probably attract more members, I'd feel like it'd sort of be a waste to have the staff work on Final Fantasy VII for so long, then suddenly shift to general gaming, and I don't think this site is prepared to take on that. But, I definitely agree that this forum should expand its horizons and focus on Final Fantasy in general.

My questions regarding the site's need for new members: Where can we get new blood?
This is just a suggestion, but I think livejournal, or another place that the site could possibly promote to, would be a great place to start. Not only are the Final Fantasy communities over at livejournal extremely active, but people have their own thoughts/reviews/theories to share about Final Fantasy. Maybe if TLS started a community over at livejournal, the staff members wouldn't be the only ones limited to writing, but we could allow members of that certain community to post their own Final Fantasy related blogs. Of course, if there were to be a TLS community over at livejournal, allowing posts such as graphics and fanfiction would be better - but livejournal allows you to separate topics like those with tags, so I don't think it'd be a problem.

And I think having contests/things not completely related to just Final Fantasy is a great idea, but I think we would have to have more members for that to work. And maybe bait them convince them to stay ONCE they actually do join, instead of scaring them off like the peeps over at the LTD thread do. We have a problem with being too isolated and ironically, being a close-knit community.
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Old 08/14/2010   #60
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Cba to read this entire thread, but since the creation of this site I've been saying we should either broaden the site's focus or change it entirely. Our primary focus should be on new material, NEW GAMES. Versus XIII and FF IX. Projects on older games should be our second priority.

As for unique features to add to the site, we could try the News Letter idea I came up with back on ACF. It seemed promising at the time.
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